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Ethicschecker appeared quickly after NSWFire was warned about the 3RR. Creating very similar edits as NSWFire and the anon ip Bakilas (talk) 07:43, 6 September 2017 (UTC)

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''Accused parties may also comment/discuss in this section below. See Defending yourself against claims.'' Hi am not sure who the NSW person is. i am separate and have been following this very interesting issue play out and have provided factual and evidence-based amendments to the page that provide context and history of the UFU. If they can demonstrate any factual errors I am most happy to have these amended. I have noticed that some of the information has been censored (as in removed by someone although the information is not erroneous and has evidence supplied) but I'm not sure if that is considered an acceptable behaviour by Wikipedia. thanks for letting me know about this allegation. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ethicschecker (talk • contribs) 00:26, September 7, 2017 (UTC)

I can confirm that this is not a sockpuppet account. This page came to my attention too, and I created the account to provide context to my editing. I see the edit war, and found the removal of factual information distressing, and accusations of sock puppets are easily levelled to attack the person without addressing errors in fact. Having been involved in the dispute, the NSW info was particularly relevant. — Preceding unsigned comment added by NSWFire (talk • contribs) 00:39, 7 September 2017 (UTC)
 * , just to clarify: my intention in creating this investigation is not to attack anybody. I saw what appeared to be a suspicious pattern and reported it, having little knowledge of/involvement in the original problems at the United Firefighters Union of Australia article. Bakilas (talk) 05:16, 7 September 2017 (UTC)

Thank you, and all understood. Please see my talk page for more information. NSWFire (talk) 05:24, 7 September 2017 (UTC)

I can also confirm that I am not and do not know who 'ethics checker' is. NSWFire (talk) 00:41, 7 September 2017 (UTC)

I note that NSWFire appears to be claiming edits made by Ethicschecker, as such I would think this could constitute a potential admission of sockpuppetry by those two accounts Firefighter83 —Preceding undated comment added 04:46, 7 September 2017 (UTC)

Please check ip addresses - one will match mine and one is different. NSWFire (talk) 05:24, 7 September 2017 (UTC)


 * Interesting coincidence that the two named accounts responded here within minutes of each other, both incorrectly left their comments in the clerk/admin section, and both neglected to sign. Meters (talk) 06:15, 7 September 2017 (UTC)

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 * - please check these accounts that were created all around the same time and have done nothing but push inclusion of a dispute in the article:
 * Please also check these accounts: one an older Australian firefighting SPA, the other another new account created at the outset of this edit war, both objecting to inclusion:
 * Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 18:50, 2 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Please also check these accounts: one an older Australian firefighting SPA, the other another new account created at the outset of this edit war, both objecting to inclusion:
 * Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 18:50, 2 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 18:50, 2 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 18:50, 2 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 18:50, 2 October 2017 (UTC)


 * Ethicschecker and Ethicalchecker are ✅ to each other and NSWFire is.
 * Atriskboy and Firefighter83 looks / . Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 11:33, 5 October 2017 (UTC)
 * did you find anything for ? Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 12:26, 5 October 2017 (UTC)
 * update and more detailed results are below. Groups 1 and 2 are technically at a stretch to each other (ISPs aren't easy to work out - this could be home and work or they could be hundreds of kilometres apart).
 * Group 1: ✅ to each other:
 * Group 2: ✅ to each other:
 * Following are (maybe  at a stretch) to each other (different ISP & equipment, but the same general geographical area and could be home vs work). My gut feeling is that they are different people:
 * Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 00:57, 6 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Following are (maybe  at a stretch) to each other (different ISP & equipment, but the same general geographical area and could be home vs work). My gut feeling is that they are different people:
 * Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 00:57, 6 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Following are (maybe  at a stretch) to each other (different ISP & equipment, but the same general geographical area and could be home vs work). My gut feeling is that they are different people:
 * Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 00:57, 6 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 00:57, 6 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 00:57, 6 October 2017 (UTC)


 * thanks for the extra detail. Here's my analysis:
 * 203.174.137.222 (sample diff) is the same as Moronchecker (sample diff)
 * 203.174.137.222 (samples, ) is the same as NSWFire (sample diff)
 * I find it unlikely that two different people with a "possible" technical result would both create multiple accounts to perpetuate (or "check") this dispute: even if this were a stunning coincidence, it would still be meatpuppetry.
 * My suspicion regarding Atriskboy and Firefighter83 is unproven.
 * Since Moronchecker is the oldest account but is hardblocked from their username, I'm declaring that the master is the next-oldest account, . All socks, but since it's been a month since any of the accounts have edited I will only leave a warning for the master. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 12:50, 6 October 2017 (UTC)

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Static IP that is an SPA on United Firefighters Union of Australia and the union infighting. Previously associated with both user:Moronchecker and user:NSWFire, but not blocked since IP had not been active for some time before original SPI opened. IP has now returned to the same article. Note that user:Firey Mcfireface was not blocked after the first SPI but was warned that he would be if socking continued. Meters (talk) 20:21, 4 December 2017 (UTC)

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 * There is no policy against editing while logged out. With the master account inactive, there's no obvious attempt to deceive, and with master account unblocked, this isn't evasion. While this probably the same person, this isn't actionable. Closing without action. Sir Sputnik (talk) 21:54, 18 December 2017 (UTC)