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A new account created in 31 October 2017, and FreeatlastChitchat edited for the last time in 1 August 2017. FreeatlastChitchat was heavily watched, reported, blocked for his topic ban violations that's why he quit that account and created a new sock for continuing his disruption.

Elektricity has been totally disruptive from the get-go, just like FreeatlastChitchat.


 * Both tried to get Homafaran allegiance deleted.
 * Rapidly nominating articles of for deletion on both accounts,  which is harassment since none of these GNG passing articles were ever deleted and it was a bad nomination.
 * FreeatlastChitchat engaged in battle with, constantly harassing him. Elektricity secretively asked Doug Weller that Mhossein should be "restricted to 1 revert per 24 hours".
 * Same writing style while pinging the next person as "@user:User"
 * "no hard feelings", "Blp vio."
 * "As per TP discussion"
 * Restored similar alleged atrocities of army on Indian Army by reverting other editor.

Prefers making revenge reverts and clarify in edit summary that he will fix the problem in "next edit".

On ANEW, FreeatlastChitchat started his comment with "Defence", while Elektricity started with "defence".

Wikihounds long-term editors while spewing his incompetence and then call them a sock puppet to justify his disruption.

He is wikihounding  and just called him a "throwaway sleeper", just like FreeatlastChitchat had wikihounded D4iNa4 and called him a "sockpuppet account". Despite both these accounts  and MapSGV are much older than his all accounts and they are far more competent than him. Given the fallacy of these remarks, Spartaz had called this comment of FreeatlastChitchat, "well poisoning".


 * FreeatlastChitchat: "grand total of "actual" edits in indo-Pak articles", "but they want to be involved in the indo-pak articles"
 * Eletricity: "I think the Indo pak articles need a look see by an admin".

Elektricity is harassing MapSGV, by going through pages that he edits because FreeatlastChitchat had worked real hard to censor Indian victory on Siachen conflict and MapSGV has made efforts to restore the result. Since Elektricity is intentionally avoiding this article to evade scrutiny, he is engaging in battle with MapSGV by wikihounding him elsewhere.

Some other similarities:


 * Adminshopping for help.
 * Tells people to read his edit before reverting. Illogical, since these editors carefully read before reverting.
 * WP:IDHT regarding AFDs on The Bushranger's talk page.
 * Canvassing Drmies for help.
 * Often puts a dot in the end of edit summary
 * Writes a particular word in caps during edit war.
 * Switches to visual editor.

Clear WP:DUCK. Capitals00 (talk) 12:12, 28 February 2018 (UTC)

These two accounts have same timings. Elektricity has falsely claimed acquittal while clarifying how he is not a sock below, and saying I had to notify him. This also sounds like a clear WP:DUCK attitude. Before he would set someone for his meat puppetry, I am adding more evidence.


 * Elektricity has filed a frivolous complaint against MapSGV, just like FreeatlastChitchat had filed a frivolous complaint against D4iNa4. Both discovered many diffs and misrepresented them in the same fashion and ultimately, FreeatlastChitchat had said "I'd like to recommend an indef", while Electricity asks, "should be Topic banned from India-Pakistan articles indefinitely", and "perhaps a site wide ban".


 * Starts disruptive RfCs despite total opposition to his edits.


 * Copy pastes signature of other editors when mentioning them.


 * Same writing:
 * "can you be kind enough to give your input"
 * "please be kind enough to give your opinion"
 * "the gist of the matter is that"
 * "the gist of the matter was that"
 * "I always accept the opinion of uninvolved editors"
 * "I will accept the opinion of these experienced editors"
 * "own words are there for all to see"
 * "when it is there for all to see"


 * Falsely labels others edits as "WP:TRUTH".


 * Falsely claims that he is not really editing India-Pakistan related articles. He claimed below that "Most of my edits are not even on India-Pak articles", similar to, "I have been staying clear of Indo-pak pages".


 * False accusations of "personal attacks".


 * Claims that people are "removing" his comments when they did nothing except adding/removing a template.


 * Edit wars by reverting to his own version by saying "discussion is ongoing".


 * Holds grudges against "Indian claims", removes content that he believes is backed by an Indian source. Capitals00 (talk) 13:51, 1 March 2018 (UTC)


 * "lold @ ahmad page link"
 * "much lold, ty Georgecustersabre"


 * Blanks his talk page with a note.

Can we complete this investigation already now? I am asking because it is unnecessarily taking too long and disturbing consensus building across numerous pages. Capitals00 (talk) 12:45, 6 March 2018 (UTC)
 * @ User:Capitals00, which are the numerous pages are the ones that have been affected? and what consensus building was going on that was affected?Elektricity (talk) 16:00, 6 March 2018 (UTC)

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. I used to think what happened to him since he seemed too rigid even during his last days when he was trying to change policies to continue his topic ban violation, seems like he never quit and has been using this sock for evading his topic ban. D4iNa4 (talk) 17:51, 28 February 2018 (UTC)

He abandoned his account in 1 August and after 90 days were elapsed in 31 October he created a new account (Elektricity). He was committed to evading CU. A check on 19 December seems too late. — MapSGV (talk) 01:05, 1 March 2018 (UTC)
 * defence I see that a user checker has already checked my IP against Freelastchitchat and has given his verdict. The nom should have perhaps informed me ? I think that is given on the top of most reporting boards. The diffs provided by the nominator show that me and the banned abuser only share one edit and that is the deletion of Homafaran allegiance. There is no other edit of the banned user and I have in common. The nom himself admits that I have not even edited in the banned abusers battleground, the article on "Siachen Conflict". Most of my edits are not even on India-Pak articles as you can see from the contributions on my account. Without editing in the banned users area, and without following his pattern of disruption and without being close to his IP, a user cannot be another's sockpuppet. Elektricity (talk) 07:01, 1 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Bbb23 never checked your "IP against Freelastchitchat and has given his verdict". Yes you always disrupt India and Pakistan articles but you try to pose like you have nothing to do with them because contrary will make you look more of a freeatlastchitchat sock that you clearly are! — MapSGV (talk) 07:07, 1 March 2018 (UTC)
 * @MapSGV I have notified Freealastchitchat, which you did not. If the admins think that enough evidence has been accumulated, they will check my user IP as they did before. The report will be same as before as we are not socks. Elektricity (talk) 11:18, 1 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Why I have to notify that topic banned sockmaster? Looks like you are now going to engage in WP:MEAT puppetry since it is taking you so long to plan these games. You registered this disruption only account after freeatlastchitchat had passed 90 days of inactivity. If that account logs in just to defend himself here using a different IP, that would still not reduce credibility of evidence of sock puppetry. — MapSGV (talk) 11:24, 1 March 2018 (UTC)


 * Comment, I have had some interactions with this editor in the past and they definitely did not seem somebody who were new to Wikipedia even though their account was created a few month prior to this interaction. The editor was aware of quite a few WP policies and noticeboards. For example, filing a Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement recently and being well aware of its existence and function. This is highly unusual for a new editor. I have never interacted with FreeatlastChitchat and thus will not argue for or against this SPI. Perhaps, the user has a WP:CLEANSTART and might want to clear the air with an admin (though by policy they not required to). Adamgerber80 (talk) 14:11, 1 March 2018 (UTC)
 * topic banned users are not allowed to clean start. Whether you know freeatlastchitchat or not, it is impossible for two accounts to share this amount of similarities as well as disruption tactics, unless operated by same person. — MapSGV (talk) 14:22, 1 March 2018 (UTC)
 * All that I am stating is, at least to me, there are some unexplained (possible suspicious) things like the users fluent knowledge of Wikipedia jargon so shortly after creating the account. Some reasons that this could be attributed to would be a WP:CLEANSTART or that the user is evading a past block or topic ban or something else. Maybe clearing this aspect of their behavior up with an admin would help. I am not an expert on the accused Sock puppeteer and cannot comment on the similarities. Those are for the admins to decide. Adamgerber80 (talk) 17:32, 1 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Got it. Thanks for providing explanation. — MapSGV (talk) 17:39, 1 March 2018 (UTC)


 * Both accounts had interactions with me. Is it not a 'duck' case? He don't seem to be a new comer. -- M h hossein   talk 19:27, 1 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Comment--I'm convinced that he is a sock but not dead-sure about the master.Some of the similarities are trivial. ~ Winged Blades Godric 06:09, 2 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Having analyzed both editor's contributions and the evidence presented here, I can safely say that Elektricity's editing patterns and behaviors are strongly reminiscent of FreeatlastChitchat. I've dug up some more evidence.
 * First off, there's striking similarity in the edit-summaries:
 * FreeatlastChitchat: "Read the policy at quotefarm before reverting this deletion"
 * Elektricity: "READ the source before adding information"
 * FreeatlastChitchat: "I find no mention of his in the Iran-Iraq war Article."
 * Elektricity: "I find no discussion about this on TP
 * Both tells other editors to discuss edits on their talk page:
 * FreeatlastChitchat: "plz share your thoughts there before reverting or come to talk on my talk page
 * Elektricity: "please discuss these changes with me on my talk page if you can."
 * Both shares the same odd tendency to randomly capitalize letters: "PLeasE", "PErhaps", and sometimes whole words for emphasis:
 * Both also have in common the obsession with Iranian articles, as evident from their contribs. There are other striking similarities too. For example, they use a lot of contractions; "you" as "u", "please" as "plz" Additionally, both have a tendency to spell "Let's" as "Lets" Clearly, it's him. &mdash;  MBL  talk 07:53, 2 March 2018 (UTC)

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See this report.--Bbb23 (talk) 00:47, 1 March 2018 (UTC)
 * , just to confirm, the CU check done on December 19th would not have picked up the FreeatlastChitchat account, right? --Neil N  talk to me 16:12, 6 March 2018 (UTC)
 * No, it would not, the account was stale at that time.--Bbb23 (talk) 16:16, 6 March 2018 (UTC)


 * There is too much behavioral evidence to be a coincidence, the timing of the new account creation is suspicious, plus it's clear that Elektricity is not a new editor. Both accounts indefinitely blocked. Neil N  talk to me 16:31, 6 March 2018 (UTC)

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FreeatlastChitchat has created another disruption only account, just like his master account. He is still evading his indefinite topic ban from South Asia.

Account created just 17 days ago, on 13 April, a month after recent sock Elektricity got blocked for socking, showed up out of nowhere to revert Capitals00's edit on Indo-Aryan migration.
 * Evidence
 * Used same sentence for requesting protection:


 * Abusing Twinkle's rollback on edits of Capitals00:


 * Still violating copyrights.


 * "updating"  MBlaze Lightning  talk 14:47, 30 April 2018 (UTC)

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❌ to Elektricity.--Bbb23 (talk) 15:10, 30 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Closing. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 16:05, 1 May 2018 (UTC)

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With this edit, the editor has completely revealed his feuds and friendships with the editors in question and his status of relationship with each of these editors is same as that of FreeatlastChitchat. Claims that "only editor who have accepted thier T-ban and continued editing for wikipedia in good faith is SheriffIsInTown", obviously because SheriffIsInTown was the only editor to support FreeatlastChitchat after he was topic banned.

Previous sock was blocked on 6 March, and this account was created on 7 March.

For such a new user, he has been sharing every trait with FreeatlastChitchat from occasionally reporting users to WP:COIN, WP:UAA, WP:AIV.

On Aafia Siddiqui, both accounts have made mention of "Al-Qaeda" on the MOS:BEGINNING (first sentence of the article), while making a new paragraph that the person "was born in Pakistan" on lead, and later on both would edit war to restore the mention of "Al-Qaeda" on lead.

His pattern of commenting on others reports on WP:ARE is same:-
 * "logging in once in a while to keep the account active"
 * "account is kept alive by merely logging in and doing a couple of reverts etc every week"

Tries to maintain that he avoids India-Pakistan conflict while deeply engaging himself in the subject:-
 * "My statement is as follows. I have no interaction . The Indo-Pak conflict spilling over onto wikipedia makes sense".
 * "my edits are not even on India-Pak articles"

Has no understanding of WP:COPYVIO:-
 * "Please provide a link to any comparison tool like copyscape, that shows that this is a copyright violation"
 * "Which parts are copy vio? Point out ont he talk page. I do not see any copy vio issues"

More of same writing style, and using same sentences:


 * "nip the evil in the bud"
 * "for lack of a better word"
 * "for the lack of a better word"


 * "perhaps you should take a rest"
 * "perhaps you should take the matter"


 * "sock/meat puppet"

On ARE, he wants "short fortnightly ban for Adamgerber80 should be placed" given the previous sock (Elektricity) had feuds with Adamgerber80.

who participated in the previous SPI. Lorstaking (talk) 11:25, 7 July 2018 (UTC)

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 * most recent confirmed socks are stale. Will take a look at behaviour. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 12:17, 7 July 2018 (UTC)
 * I was already checking when you declined. 2Joules is very to . . Closing.--Bbb23 (talk) 12:23, 7 July 2018 (UTC)
 * thanks, I was just about to come back here to say there were possible behavioural connections along with some differences in technical data that I have access to, and was going to call inconclusive without checkuser. So thanks for filling in that gap. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 12:31, 7 July 2018 (UTC)

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If you see this ongoing ANI thread against MistyGraceWhite (MGW), you will find that concerns have been raised regarding abuse of CSD process, and same was the issue with last blocked sock of FLCC.

FLCC was also nominating too many AfDs even with his last blocked sock. FLCC nominated over 114 AfDs in less than 45 days. Where as MGW has done more than 120 in just 4 weeks.

Timings of both users are perfectly same. Some have said that this MGW is a UPE on the ongoing ANI thread, and FLCC was brought to WP:COIN noticeboard on his sock over a suspected COI.

There are absolutely many other similarities, especially when both users misspell "dubious" as "dubiuos" on edit summaries, but there is obviously no need to go into those many details since we have got enough evidence for CU. Are you available for checking through logs? Capitals00 (talk) 06:44, 27 May 2020 (UTC)

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MistyGraceWhite is very. Blocked and tagged, along with, an apparent thus far unused alternative account. Closing.--Bbb23 (talk) 16:06, 27 May 2020 (UTC)

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Just like the earlier sock, this account is too new but already popping up too much in AfDs was created barely a 21 minutes after MistyGraceWhite (the last sock) was blocked.

The use of the uncommon phrases like "umbrella term" and "the same manner" in a single message by both, itself speaks enough. Aman Kumar Goel (Talk) 05:29, 19 July 2020 (UTC)

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 * ❌. Closing. TonyBallioni (talk) 16:27, 21 July 2020 (UTC)

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Created right after was blocked on 27 May, but couldn't resist continuing his feud with a user called Wareon, much like he was doing as MistyGraceWhite.

While the editor has edited same pages as the master, his special interest over changing "nationality" is also similar and excessive. Aman Kumar Goel (Talk) 06:22, 13 August 2020 (UTC)

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 * ❌ to MistyGraceWhite. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 07:05, 13 August 2020 (UTC)