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BIanca617 began editing on 20 September 2020. On 26 September TheorieMankk made two edits. On October 2 BIanca617 returned and referred back to comments TheorieMankk made at User talk:Rocknrollmancer, as if BIanca617 had made the posts. Both accounts are posting the same accusations of personal attacks in relation to the same topics.

LindaAfrika and OUmschlag are both showing the same combative attitudes towards as BIanca617, and following Rocknrollmancer's edits to other pages, and show a pattern of editing similar automotive, motorcycling and European-related topics. All accounts use the same linguistic style, and post similar strings of irrelevant policy pages, e.g. " should not be deleted per our policies including WP:ATD; WP:BITE; WP:CENSOR; WP:NOTPAPER; WP:PRESERVE", and  "WP:ATD; WP:BITE; WP:CENSOR; WP:NOTPAPER; WP:PRESERVE", down to the detail of using a semicolon instead of a comma. The very first edit on their user pages follows a pattern: "Hallo I am Linda from africa and will support the great encyclopedia WIKIPEDIA." and "Hello, im a German User living in Cologne, Germany. I was Born 1975 and want to improve whatever i can."Individually meaningless, but taken together they're obvious sockpuppets. At first I was only aware of the TheorieMankk sock and so I only posted a warning, assuming they could be a new user unaware of the sockpuppetry policy. When Rocknrollmancer pointed out the other socks, it was obvious this is deliberate. And because BIanca617 doth protest way way too much as only someone with many other sock accounts is wont to do, checkuser is necessary to find them all. Dennis Bratland (talk) 01:29, 9 October 2020 (UTC)


 * Wow, I had no idea. Apologies. --Dennis Bratland (talk) 17:05, 9 October 2020 (UTC)

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I had hoped that this would settle down naturally but there are now repeated accusations against me of bite, team tagging, racism, sexism and hate. I added MiaLara617 as this name was used on .it wiki to try to establish the same basic article 24 September (note both are Michel v. Tell, WP:OWNership demonstrated by inexperienced BIanca617, as in the early en article usage), and having substantial input to Michel von Tell 26 September. Excepting TheorieMankk, all others exhibit the same overlinking and pipe-linking (presumably to rack-up edit count), and are established late August/ early/mid September, the two using '617' being registered within an hour of each other.--Rocknrollmancer (talk) 02:31, 9 October 2020 (UTC)

Hello. Puhhh What a drama about nothing. (1) Please show me 5 very bad edits I did. Since I am here I was nice to everybody. I dindt made any evil edits, nearly every edit I did was super neutral and with good sources and I never made any damage or be rude. I didnt joint 20 Sep. Also this is wrong. Joind in Summer and made some hunderet edits without ever doing something bad whats worth talk about. All he says to me and over me is theories, meaning and bad. Since the begining. And I have no Idea why

MiaLara617 you dont have to check. Yes thats me. But 1 I allready said this on talk page. 2 i cant login and have to repair vandalism of User Rocknrollmancer. See here. https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Michel_von_Tell&diff=980267392&oldid=979733489

Wild Edits against WP:Bio good thinking and Wikipedia "be nice" and many more. Without any source. And I also did what he want to have. Just add more sources. I tried to be deescalating and nice. And also use the 617 at the end so its easy to see its me. This is the only thing I did which goes in this direction. But this was no bad edit, i say it, i show it with 617 at the end of the name so anyone sees easyly and it also was without any negativ effect. He was the one who did a very bad edit. Not me. But I stay nice and try to stay nice and cool and add some more sources without saying something bad or report him for vandalism. Please read my User Page. There you can see. Also Wikipedia rules says its no problem to have as many accounts you want. Its just not allowed to do voting or stuff like that or appear in one article with 5 diffrent accounts or something and try to manipulate a vote or dabate or anything. What I didnt not do!! Also Wiki warns you. Dont post as IP for security reason!

Rocknrollmancer all the time trys to attack me. I have no Idea why. I guess he dont like one of the persons I wrote an article about. He follows me everywhere and attacks me every time. Very hard and very rude. Without any reason. I try to be nice, solve the problem, try find ways to make him happy, offer friendship and so on. But everytime I do he ignors this and try another way to attack me or comes up with new conspiracy theories about nothing. Just throw with a lot of dirt and try if something works. Absolutly the opposit of what i read in the WP rules. Please have a very good look on what i wrote!! Like i said. I was allways very nice and willing finding good and nice. try to act absolutly according to the WP rules. Thats why they both (I guess they are friends) dont post real bad examples of what I did with this accounts and just have more theories about nothing. I cant eaven see one of this users eaven did something special???

But I can show you some sources clear - no ulterior motives
 * I allways be nice in all of my edits
 * I never did vandalize
 * All my edits are super neutral an well sourced
 * There is no damage I did
 * Even if Rochnrollmancer attacked me often - eaven then I was nice and try to become friends and deescalte
 * I never was with 2 accounts in 1 Article acceppt 1 time and this was no important edit, I said it and choose a name also with 617 at the end so anyone can see. So its

See on my talk page and see on the edits he did in my articles. Heavy against the rules And so on.
 * But Mr Rochnrollmancer attacking me all the time. For nothing - hard against WP rules
 * Do real vandalize https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Michel_von_Tell&diff=980267392&oldid=979733489
 * And terminate any of my tries to solve his problems and comeing back to a normal level. If I show him one of his many theories is not true and we should be more gentle to eachother he dosent take and just comes up with other attacks.
 * Also he is not very neutral and got a lot of theories all the time.
 * He never try to talk, fix something or find any soluttion with me. Just attack.

I know its a lot to read :( Sorry for that dear admins :( Not my foult :( But I promis you I did nothing wrong and anything I did was in good faith. If you watch user page and edits REALY and dont just trust them easyly and are also neutral you will see! But you will see something else when you watch what Rochnrollmancer did. He was real bad unfair and unfriendly to me and broke a lot of rules. It would take a long time to tell you all. But you know them. Top rules. Dont be rude in Bio, dont make edits in Bio articles without sources special if it are insults, try to be cool, try to find solutions, talk to each other and so on. All the time and without real reason he attackt me super hard for nothing and gave me no chance at all to deescalte. I eaven guess he is not such a bad guy. But he realy have to learn to be a bit more "relaxt" and gentle.

There would be much more to say but we all allready lost to many time with this nothing. Sockpuppet is just one more theorie of him to get me down after the other didnt work. And acording the WP rules other accounts are absolutly ok as long you dont go to real bad manipulation. And its easy to see i didnt do. I didnt vote something, I didnt do debates with more then one account, I did no evil edits with them nothing. the only thing I done here was good edits, neutral, well sourced and as i think much more acording to wp rules then he did. and also 1 hour ago I told him again on my user page. Lets be friends and calm down. And he again didnt want. Seams all he wants is to escalte this in any way and hope because he has some more friends here then me he will win. like he said here to an other user in past. :( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Rocknrollmancer#You_don't_own_Cafe_racer

please see my talking with him on my user page. then you see how nice I was and how much i tried to find good solutions :( And please keep in mind. All started like this https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Michel_von_Tell&diff=980267392&oldid=979733489 I just want to be a nice wp user and did the best i can. --BIanca617 (talk) 04:25, 9 October 2020 (UTC)

On my talk page they say they are not together. What I find on his talk page! First 7 year old entry from his good old super buddy Dennis!!! A Scandal!!
 * Here I found a real big manigulation of this 2 Users who start this!

THIS is HARD - VERY HARD against all rules!!! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Rocknrollmancer#Welcome! WOW !!! I am very interessted how this ends!!!!

I would say we end this here - say sorry to me and give a VERY LOUD WARNING to the real manipulators Dennis and Rocknrollmancer!!!

UNBELIVABEL!! --BIanca617 (talk) 06:43, 9 October 2020 (UTC)

Clerk, CheckUser, and/or patrolling admin comments

 * The following accounts are ✅:
 * The others are inconclusive. The rant above (and on like 20 other pages) really speaks for itself. Blocked. ST47 (talk) 09:14, 9 October 2020 (UTC)
 * The others are inconclusive. The rant above (and on like 20 other pages) really speaks for itself. Blocked. ST47 (talk) 09:14, 9 October 2020 (UTC)
 * The others are inconclusive. The rant above (and on like 20 other pages) really speaks for itself. Blocked. ST47 (talk) 09:14, 9 October 2020 (UTC)
 * The others are inconclusive. The rant above (and on like 20 other pages) really speaks for itself. Blocked. ST47 (talk) 09:14, 9 October 2020 (UTC)
 * The others are inconclusive. The rant above (and on like 20 other pages) really speaks for itself. Blocked. ST47 (talk) 09:14, 9 October 2020 (UTC)
 * The others are inconclusive. The rant above (and on like 20 other pages) really speaks for itself. Blocked. ST47 (talk) 09:14, 9 October 2020 (UTC)
 * The others are inconclusive. The rant above (and on like 20 other pages) really speaks for itself. Blocked. ST47 (talk) 09:14, 9 October 2020 (UTC)
 * The others are inconclusive. The rant above (and on like 20 other pages) really speaks for itself. Blocked. ST47 (talk) 09:14, 9 October 2020 (UTC)
 * The others are inconclusive. The rant above (and on like 20 other pages) really speaks for itself. Blocked. ST47 (talk) 09:14, 9 October 2020 (UTC)
 * The others are inconclusive. The rant above (and on like 20 other pages) really speaks for itself. Blocked. ST47 (talk) 09:14, 9 October 2020 (UTC)
 * The others are inconclusive. The rant above (and on like 20 other pages) really speaks for itself. Blocked. ST47 (talk) 09:14, 9 October 2020 (UTC)
 * The others are inconclusive. The rant above (and on like 20 other pages) really speaks for itself. Blocked. ST47 (talk) 09:14, 9 October 2020 (UTC)
 * The others are inconclusive. The rant above (and on like 20 other pages) really speaks for itself. Blocked. ST47 (talk) 09:14, 9 October 2020 (UTC)
 * The others are inconclusive. The rant above (and on like 20 other pages) really speaks for itself. Blocked. ST47 (talk) 09:14, 9 October 2020 (UTC)
 * The others are inconclusive. The rant above (and on like 20 other pages) really speaks for itself. Blocked. ST47 (talk) 09:14, 9 October 2020 (UTC)
 * The others are inconclusive. The rant above (and on like 20 other pages) really speaks for itself. Blocked. ST47 (talk) 09:14, 9 October 2020 (UTC)
 * The others are inconclusive. The rant above (and on like 20 other pages) really speaks for itself. Blocked. ST47 (talk) 09:14, 9 October 2020 (UTC)
 * The others are inconclusive. The rant above (and on like 20 other pages) really speaks for itself. Blocked. ST47 (talk) 09:14, 9 October 2020 (UTC)


 * moved to oldest account. Dreamy Jazz talk to me &#124; my contributions 09:26, 9 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Retagging. Dreamy Jazz talk to me &#124; my contributions 09:27, 9 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Apologies to : both ST47 and myself, whilst tagging, accidentally tagged you as a sockpuppet. I would like to make clear that you are not a sockpuppet. I have reverted the addition of tags on your userpage. Dreamy Jazz talk to me &#124; my contributions 09:31, 9 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Hm, I don't understand why Rocknrollmancer is showing up in the list of blockable accounts in the SPI helper script. I don't see any usage of checkuser related to his username? ST47 (talk) 09:40, 9 October 2020 (UTC)
 * In the "Suspected sockpuppets" section Dennis Bratland put the template user in their evidence. I think this is one of the templates spihelper checks for when generating the block and tag list. Dreamy Jazz talk to me &#124; my contributions 09:43, 9 October 2020 (UTC)
 * as far as I can see, everybody is blocked except for LindaAfrika and OUmschlag, neither of which has edited in a few weeks, so probably not worth investing much effort there. I'm going to close this, but feel free to reopen if there's still work to be done here.  I do observe that LindaAfrika and OUmschlag started editing within a day of each other, and likewise stopped within a day of each other.  I'll file that under, "It's a long way from evidence of socking, but it does make me curious". -- RoySmith (talk) 22:53, 21 October 2020 (UTC)
 * I have to re-sign this to make the ping fix work, right? -- RoySmith (talk) 22:54, 21 October 2020 (UTC)