Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Frost778/Archive

16 November 2012

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This is an extremely determined edit warrior on Armenian topics, mostly historical. For an example, he insisted that Template:History of Armenia should remain fully expanded on every article where it was used. After he failed in his attempt to change the template (due to an edit-warring block on November 9), he went around as an IP to every article where it was included to force it to be expanded. This makes any per-article semiprotection not very practical. I've applied two rangeblocks which cover all the IPs I'm recently aware of. They are:
 * ... Range contributions can be seen here.
 * ... Range contributions can be seen here

For background see Administrators' noticeboard/IncidentArchive775. People seem to be confident that this is Frost778, who is indefinitely blocked. At present all the blocks that seem appropriate have been placed. If the problem continues, the short rangeblocks may need to be extended. There is no obvious reason to run a checkuser, but I'm filing this for documentation purposes. I also expect that the master will keep trying to find new ranges so we may need to keep the data on that in a central place. If you notice any more single IPs outside of the above ranges, I suggest putting sockpuppet tags on their user page, so that Category:Suspected Wikipedia sockpuppets of Frost778 will remain useful. I'll also notify the other admins who looked into this matter to see if they have anything to add. EdJohnston (talk) 23:46, 16 November 2012 (UTC)
 * 3RR case at Administrators' noticeboard/3RRArchive190. 23 July 2012.
 * 3RR case at Administrators' noticeboard/3RRArchive200, 9 November 2012.
 * 3RR case against 75.51.166.134: Administrators' noticeboard/Edit warring
 * Kentronhayastan made a report at Someguy1221's talk page about 76.232.253.109: User talk:Someguy1221.
 * — EdJohnston (talk) 00:02, 17 November 2012 (UTC)

Other editors who might know something about this case include, , , , and. I have notified them in case they want to comment. EdJohnston (talk) 01:05, 17 November 2012 (UTC)

Comments by other users
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 * NOTE - He has just stated on Ian Thomson's talkpage that he added the Orion information to hayk in the first place years ago. I just looked over the history and have determined that this means he is the infamous  who has been known off and on for these kind of stunts for years. Til Eulenspiegel /talk/ 00:44, 17 November 2012 (UTC)
 * I can only believe it's the same guy, but on the off chance we're dealing with a couple of like-minded individuals, the sheer refusal to acknowledge WP:OWN, WP:CITE, WP:EW, and WP:BRD leave me feeling just fine with lumping them together. Ian.thomson (talk) 00:53, 17 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Til, what did you make of, if anything? I don't know enough content here. Drmies (talk) 01:07, 17 November 2012 (UTC)
 * That IP geolocates to the UK and edits Assyrian related articles; Frost778's socks point to the Los Angeles area and he edits Armenian related articles. Til Eulenspiegel /talk/ 01:12, 17 November 2012 (UTC)


 * User:Kentronhayastan's experience with User:Frost778 - I am the user that Frost778 first engaged with in this edit war. Our conflict began when I tried a new style for the Armenian history template (not the current expandable one that I made a few days later) based on Template:History of China. User:Frost778 insisted on replacing the section title "Prehistory" with "Ancient," but considering "Antiquity" was used for the following age, and that both terms are synonymous (ancient is the adjective form of the noun antiquity, see Antiquity), it would be an embarrassing and anachronistic error in a template intended for history. I invited him to discuss it in the talk page in my edit comments, but he ignored my requests or my argument and engaged in an edit war with me. On November 9, we both got banned for edit warring; he for 1 week (following a previous ban in August 2012), and I for 1 day. When the block lifted from me, I continued my contribution. Then a user (User:75.51.173.37) came to my talk page to ask me to undo my edits and encouraged me to use Frost778's idea. Here is an excerpt: "... . Did you not notice that lovely word ANCIENT ... Apparently someone was trying to show you this earlier, but you seem to have missed it ..." I suspected a sockpuppet of Frost778. The user never denied my accusation in our "private" conversation, and the more we discussed, the more it was clear it was Frost778. On a separate note, I got some criticism by another user in the template's talk page for the color, which I agreed to change, but the template was too big, so I came up with the expandable/hidden system. Since the template has a lot of content, it was practical to have only the relevant sections (ie Middle Ages) open on relevant pages, rather than have the entire template open at all times. The rest of the content is still there, just hidden. In order to use this system, I had to tediously edit all pages that use the template to add a tag ( or  ). The suspected Frost778 user disagreed, claiming that China's and Iran's templates don't have hidden content, and added the tag =all instead of the =ageN, while discussing it on my talk page rather than the template's talk page. I tried showing him the templates of France, Spain, Greece, Italy, Japan and even, until very recently, the one for Iran, which all include hidden content, but I never got a response for them except for the fact that Greater Iran's template has been replaced. This time I did't engage in his edit war, but introduced his argument in the talk page on his behalf to get others' opinion. User:Til Eulenspiegel commented on some formatting bug in the template, and praised the expandable solution in its talk page. That's when the edit war really started (for an example, see the revision history on Hayk on 13 November 2012 from 01:11 on). Kentronhayastan (talk) 06:25, 17 November 2012 (UTC)

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 * I'd agree that the IPs are likely Frost778. Since you have already rangeblocked them to stop the disruption, I am closing this case. Reaper Eternal (talk) 02:04, 3 December 2012 (UTC)