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Diffs:
 * Open-mid front unrounded vowel:, , , , (this one breaks WP:3RR)
 * Near-open front unrounded vowel: ,

"Kruci" seems to have been created specifically to avoid WP:3RR accusations towards Futhark1988. The latter account kept reinserting Hungarian to the table in open-mid front unrounded vowel. They kept sourcing that entry with Szende (1994) who shows the vowel as near-open on the vowel chart, all the while claiming that Szende is not a reputable source (!). They also said in one of the reverts that ''Anyone with an ear can hear that it is incorrect. Instead of hiding behind extremely out-dated sources one should simply listen to how people actually speak.'' Well, "nem" is pronounced with a near-open vowel on about half of the recordings on Forvo. Their response to that? "Most of the recordings are pronounced by machines." They also vandalized my user page. Kbb2 (ex. Mr KEBAB) (talk) 08:22, 14 February 2020 (UTC)

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There are more evidence about my being right. What Szende wrote might have been true 25-30 years ago but since then the language has changed and several pages on the internet (including Wikipedia pages) clearly state that there is no /æ/ sound in Hungarian. And nearly all recordings of "nem" are pronounced by machines and are therefore not reliable. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Open-mid_front_unrounded_vowel#Hungarian

I apologize for the vandalism on Kbb2's page but not for my being right about the sound. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Futhark1988 (talk • contribs) 09:17, 14 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Per WP:V the burden to provide a WP:RS that challenges Szende is entirely on you. Kbb2 (ex. Mr KEBAB) (talk) 09:22, 14 February 2020 (UTC)
 * I did challenge it and proven that it is wrong. With Wikipedia itself. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Futhark1988 (talk • contribs) 09:41, 14 February 2020 (UTC)

Clerk, CheckUser, and/or patrolling admin comments

 * ✅ and indefinitely blocked for a mix of socking and WP:NOTHERE. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 08:55, 15 February 2020 (UTC)