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10 December 2014

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This user created multiple move requests in the past months, and all of which were supported by the same IP user 67.70.35.44 with single vote. T he Avatar (discuss–?) 18:34, 10 December 2014 (UTC)

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 * I was not notified about this investigation. For your information, I have not used that IP. I'll notify that IP, so this situation can be cleared out. --George Ho (talk) 22:59, 10 December 2014 (UTC)
 * The requester was angry because I have been proposing renaming on Hong Kong people in Wikipedia. For your information, I have not voted on my own nominations. Clear? --George Ho (talk) 23:00, 10 December 2014 (UTC)


 * I strongly suspect that this accusation has no merit. George has been around in move discussions for quite a while and seems willing to take his lumps and unlikely to have a strong agenda. The IP's Talk page history also doesn't look like a problem. In fact, you can observe that these two editors had a discussion with each other on the IP's Talk page a week ago. That would be pretty sneaky behavior for a sock, and there is no indication of that. —BarrelProof (talk) 00:29, 11 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks to George Ho for informing me of this investigation which TheAvatar did not inform me of. I am not a sockpuppet of George's since I don't agree with all of George's move requests. Clearly at Talk:Raymond Chan and Talk:Tiffany (American singer) I disagreed with him, and I really fail to see why supporting a naming style clearly in evidence that is used in Hong Kong makes me a sockpuppet. It's been used by the Chinese University of Hong Kong and the British Colonial Government of Hong Kong  prior to the rise of the commonly used Internet. -- 67.70.35.44 (talk) 05:43, 11 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Staggering/ridiculous. TheAvatar's behaviour on this issue looking increasing disturbing, even if TheAvatar was right about HKnames, there's no need for the drama, or wasting SPI time. In ictu oculi (talk) 13:17, 11 December 2014 (UTC)
 * I had a talk with Tavatar, and he apologized to me for this drama that has happened to me. I wonder if s/he has something to say about this. --George Ho (talk) 17:24, 11 December 2014 (UTC)

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 * Both editors frequent WP:RM, and as such it is not surprising that they overlap in the discussions in which they participate. I do not think there are concerns here that require checking, but I may have precipitated this by this comment and this comment at move review. My hope was that this would cause User:Tavatar to desist, but it seems to have had the opposite effect. I do not believe that George Ho and the IP user are associated. In addition, they differ considerably in writing style. Dekimasu よ! 03:40, 11 December 2014 (UTC)

Ok, so I sifted through the edits and found a fair amount of requested moves where the IP and George supported the same outcome:


 * Conduit
 * George Ho
 * IP
 * Kenneth Chan (lawmaker)
 * George Ho
 * IP
 * Set it off (film)
 * George Ho
 * IP
 * Kenneth Chan Kai-tai
 * George Ho
 * IP
 * Mike Cox
 * George Ho
 * IP
 * Blowup
 * George Ho
 * IP
 * Boys like You (360 song)
 * George Ho
 * IP
 * Cheryl Cole
 * George Ho
 * IP
 * LoveGame
 * George Ho
 * IP
 * Gary Fan Kwok-wai
 * George Ho
 * IP
 * Raymond Chan Chi-chuen
 * George Ho
 * IP
 * Military of ISIL
 * George Ho
 * IP
 * Death of Benito Mussolini
 * George Ho
 * IP
 * Jasper Tsang Yok-sing
 * George Ho
 * IP
 * Jasper Tsang Yok-sing 2
 * George Ho
 * IP
 * Paul Chan Mo-po
 * George Ho
 * IP
 * Cheung Kwok-che
 * George Ho
 * IP
 * Christopher Chung
 * George Ho
 * IP
 * Raymond Wong Yuk-man
 * George Ho
 * IP
 * Joshua Wong
 * George Ho
 * IP
 * Brooke Adams (actress)
 * George Ho
 * IP
 * Connie Mak Kit-man
 * George Ho
 * IP
 * Over the Garden Wall (TV series)
 * George Ho
 * IP
 * Wong Sing-chi
 * George Ho
 * IP
 * Call it a novel
 * George Ho
 * IP
 * Raining Men (Rihanna song)
 * George Ho
 * IP
 * The Devil’s advocate (Morris West novel)
 * George Ho
 * IP
 * Girl (Pharrell Williams album)
 * George Ho
 * IP
 * Visage
 * George Ho
 * IP
 * Lau Kong-wah
 * George Ho
 * IP

While it's a reasonable amount of overlap, there are discussions where they held different views:


 * 2014 pro-Russian unrest in Ukraine
 * George Ho
 * IP
 * Live at the Apollo (1963 album)
 * George Ho
 * IP
 * Battle of Newton
 * George Ho
 * IP
 * Songs of Innocence (U2 album)
 * George Ho
 * IP
 * Herb Klein (journalist)
 * George Ho
 * IP
 * Raymond Chan
 * George Ho
 * IP
 * Battle of Vernon
 * George Ho
 * IP

I compared their editing style and didn't find any similarities that would raise concern. More so, there were some instances where the user's had different writing styles and tone. The clincher for me was the edit logs. For instance, I looked at the both users' contributions on November 28, 2014. There were multiple instances where they made edits within 1 minute of each other. Sometimes, even 3 or more logged actions from the two in the same minute. This happens on many occasions over the course of many months. All this effort put in to get an extra !vote on a handful of discussions? Overall, it seems very unlikely there's any abuse here. I'm closing this case with no action taken. I should point out to George and the IP that unlike AN and ANI, a reported user does not have to be notified of a sockpuppet investigation. To Tavatar, if you file a sockpuppet investigation in the future please be sure to include supporting evidence for your claims. Mike V •  Talk  18:59, 11 December 2014 (UTC)