Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Germany2008/Archive

27 December 2010

 * Suspected sockpuppets


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This case involves a serious long-term abusing by an Afghan located in Germany using sockpuppets and anonymous IPs to engage in bashing the Pashtun people as well as attacking editors who he finds to be of Pashtun ethnicity. In fact, he even attacks and insults admins but most admins turn blind eye to his actions. The sockmaster behind these IPs wrote to admin Kingturtle: ''"Kingturtle, son of a Bitch, only Pashtuns can be Dravidians. Rabbani is a true Aryan (Tajik)-Persian, arshole... ... When I was open-minded and wrote good articles (f.ex. see on Khalji Dynasty), you dirty fucking bitch, son of a dirty whore i have fucked million times, were blocking or editing them. Ok, that was not much bad but when you were working with motherfucking Pashtun nationalists together and accepted their dirty wrong cites, arshole, than what should I do??? Fucking bitch, stop be so much controductary. The most articles that still on wikipedia, related wth afghanistan and still exist as a perfect article, based on sourcs, were started first by myself , arshole. You ban people without any reasons and without any knowledges. Arshole, get some education before you try yourself on Afghanistan or related things..."''


 * That sockmaster is admitting above that he is User:Tajik, the only Afghan that has been editing Afghanistan related articles since 2005. '''These diffs ( and ) make it very clear that it is in fact Tajik writing to Kingturle by complaining about User:E104421, the other person whom Tajik was involved at Requests for arbitration/E104421-Tajik.

In the edit summaries, sockmaster tells other Wikipedians, "KUSSMADAR PASHTUN, PLEASE CITE ANY CITATION FROM THE SOURCES PASHTUN IMMIGRANTS MAKE 60%???... In no sources you have provided it was written Pashtuns make the majority. You just changed the words of them to support your POV, Kussmadar".


 * The words "kussmadar" is "mother fuc..r" in Tajik's native language, and "THE SOURCES PASHTUN IMMIGRANTS MAKE 60%" is his usual ranting over a dispute about percentage of Pashtun/Tajiks or Pashto/Dari which Tajik is often involved in almost every Afghanistan related article, (i.e. see Talk:Afghanistan, Talk:Languages of Afghanistan, Talk:Pashto language).

Sock IP 188.107.8.82 states:""Ketabtoon, you are known by many loyal and good Wikipedians as a troll. You use sources that are not sources. You falsify articles by using every non-reliable source you can get and call it as reliable. You were vandalizing articles and gave contents of sources not as it was quoted. You just changed them to your own interpretation. Wikipedians like User:Tajik and many others, who are known for their good works are Wikipedia, have warned you many times...""

Not only the sockmaster uses the same set of IPs from the same city location in Germany but the behaviour, knowledge on Afghanistan (POV and opinion), area of editing, accusations, text (writings in talk pages), knowledge about few other editors, and feeling towards Pashtuns are all 100% matching everywhere. Already confirmed sockpuppets of this individual are as follow:
 * Proof to this is that admin Alison has stated:"": and Draco of Utopia is confirmed as being a Tajik sock. Also Germany2008..... Ok, I rechecked this and Tajik is actually unlikely to be either of the socks above. Both and are ✅ as being the same editor, but Tajik, though geographically very close to them, is on a different network and provider. Tajik has provided me with other information which tends to confirm this. Given that he's recently been unbanned by ArbCom, I doubt this would be something he'd do anyway... I don't know who the other two editors are, but there is extensive logging in and out to evade scrutiny. Hence the list of associated IP addresses above""
 * Proof to this is that admin Alison has stated:"": and Draco of Utopia is confirmed as being a Tajik sock. Also Germany2008..... Ok, I rechecked this and Tajik is actually unlikely to be either of the socks above. Both and are ✅ as being the same editor, but Tajik, though geographically very close to them, is on a different network and provider. Tajik has provided me with other information which tends to confirm this. Given that he's recently been unbanned by ArbCom, I doubt this would be something he'd do anyway... I don't know who the other two editors are, but there is extensive logging in and out to evade scrutiny. Hence the list of associated IP addresses above""
 * Proof to this is that admin Alison has stated:"": and Draco of Utopia is confirmed as being a Tajik sock. Also Germany2008..... Ok, I rechecked this and Tajik is actually unlikely to be either of the socks above. Both and are ✅ as being the same editor, but Tajik, though geographically very close to them, is on a different network and provider. Tajik has provided me with other information which tends to confirm this. Given that he's recently been unbanned by ArbCom, I doubt this would be something he'd do anyway... I don't know who the other two editors are, but there is extensive logging in and out to evade scrutiny. Hence the list of associated IP addresses above""
 * Proof to this is that admin Alison has stated:"": and Draco of Utopia is confirmed as being a Tajik sock. Also Germany2008..... Ok, I rechecked this and Tajik is actually unlikely to be either of the socks above. Both and are ✅ as being the same editor, but Tajik, though geographically very close to them, is on a different network and provider. Tajik has provided me with other information which tends to confirm this. Given that he's recently been unbanned by ArbCom, I doubt this would be something he'd do anyway... I don't know who the other two editors are, but there is extensive logging in and out to evade scrutiny. Hence the list of associated IP addresses above""
 * Proof to this is that admin Alison has stated:"": and Draco of Utopia is confirmed as being a Tajik sock. Also Germany2008..... Ok, I rechecked this and Tajik is actually unlikely to be either of the socks above. Both and are ✅ as being the same editor, but Tajik, though geographically very close to them, is on a different network and provider. Tajik has provided me with other information which tends to confirm this. Given that he's recently been unbanned by ArbCom, I doubt this would be something he'd do anyway... I don't know who the other two editors are, but there is extensive logging in and out to evade scrutiny. Hence the list of associated IP addresses above""
 * Proof to this is that admin Alison has stated:"": and Draco of Utopia is confirmed as being a Tajik sock. Also Germany2008..... Ok, I rechecked this and Tajik is actually unlikely to be either of the socks above. Both and are ✅ as being the same editor, but Tajik, though geographically very close to them, is on a different network and provider. Tajik has provided me with other information which tends to confirm this. Given that he's recently been unbanned by ArbCom, I doubt this would be something he'd do anyway... I don't know who the other two editors are, but there is extensive logging in and out to evade scrutiny. Hence the list of associated IP addresses above""

Alison may have been slightly wrong or erred in the re-check because if you go through this part very carefully you'll notice that Tajik is behind these already confirmed Germany IPs of his:
 * Proof to this is that admin Dmcdevit has stated
 * "✅ "as Tajik: Al-Fanā and the various 82.83.0.0/16 IPs editing here.""
 * Proof to this is that admin Dmcdevit has stated
 * "✅ "as Tajik: Al-Fanā and the various 82.83.0.0/16 IPs editing here.""
 * Proof to this is that admin Dmcdevit has stated
 * "✅ "as Tajik: Al-Fanā and the various 82.83.0.0/16 IPs editing here.""
 * Proof to this is that admin Dmcdevit has stated
 * "✅ "as Tajik: Al-Fanā and the various 82.83.0.0/16 IPs editing here.""
 * Proof to this is that admin Dmcdevit has stated
 * "✅ "as Tajik: Al-Fanā and the various 82.83.0.0/16 IPs editing here.""

These slightly different set also suggest it is Tajik because he's edit-warring with User:E104421, the person whom Tajik went to ArbCom at Requests for arbitration/E104421-Tajik.

You can easily tell that the IPs and the already-blocked-socks are the same individual just by reading his edit summaries. All the IPs listed/mentioned in this SPI originate to: Mannesmann Arcor Network Operation Center Arcor AG & Co. KG, Department TBS, Otto-Volger-Str. 19, D-65843 Sulzbach/Ts. Germany

The ones starting with 82 are assigned to ARCOR-DSL-NET12, the ones starting with 84 are to ARCOR-DSL-NET13, the ones starting with 94 are to ARCOR-DSL-NET18, and the ones starting with 188 are to NET19. What this means is that most likely he connects to the internnet with "net12" at home and the other ones (net13, net18, net19, and so on) are either school, work place, net cafes or other places. To mislead or fool admins and chechusers, he edits as a completely different person while outside the house who even changes his style of writing as well as the level of English and he of course also makes his behaviour different so to further confuse the Wikipedia community.

Articles Tajik edit including every point he tries to raise is quickly supported by the anonymous sockmaster, and is often a helper by reverting to Tajik's versions.
 * Additional evidence:


 * Other useful evidence: I think we have established a strong connection between the German IPs, the already blocked sock accounts from Germany and the active Tajik who's user page states that he's in Germany. Some other editors who are from Germany and editing the same articles with Tajik with the same view in mind include User:Sommerkom and User:Chartinael, who've stated the other day: "Dari-Tajik-Persian are one and the same language. The emphasis on the differences as well as the different names can be attributed to the rise of nationalism. Just imagine that German is spoken as an official language in 3 countries: Germany, Switzerland and Austrian. There are dialectal differences and if you asked me Bavarian is as far as incomprehensible from a speaker of Standard German as is Swiss German .."] This allows us to know that he is most likely from Germany.

I'm confidence that these IDs are linked, they edit the same isolated articles (i.e. Pata Khazana, Abdul Hai Habibi, and Pashto language with identical POV pushing as Tajik's POV. The user page of User:Sommerkom explains that he is Persian-speaking and active in German Wikipedia and the user page of Tajik states the same . They are both editing the German version of , especially the Afghanistan related articles. I'm certain that Tajik is editing under Phoenix2 in the German Wiki. He has many blocks there as he has many here in the en:Wiki. I think it's about time that Tajik is permanently blocked from en:Wiki, he was given so many chances but he arrogantly continues with his attacking people of different ethnicity while many admins have turned a blind eye to this. Lagoo sab (talk) 13:30, 27 December 2010 (UTC)

Comments by other users
''Accused parties may also comment/discuss in this section below. See Defending yourself against claims.''
 * There is absolutely no doubt that I am from Germany. I have told Lagoo Sab myself that I am German . Other than that, again, I do not edit as an IP nor am using any other aliasses on WP. However, I have been accused by Lagoo Sab several times of socking around  and being an ethnocentric POV-warrior  I am getting tired of it. Timeline of conflict leading to ANI  छातीऀनाएल - chartinael (talk) 23:57, 27 December 2010 (UTC)


 * Lagoo sab's accusations (which - by the way - are in part clear violations of WP:NPA) are baseless. I live in Germany and I edit from there, I have never denied that. But editing from Germany is not a crime and it certainly is no proof for Lagoo sab's accusations. I have absolutely no problems with admins investigating this. Please keep in mind that Lagoo sab is facing serious sockpuppet-abuse-accusations himself. So far, he has not reacted to the claims, but is instead accusing other users (like me, User:Future Perfect at Sunrise, User:Sommerkom, etc.) on various talkpages. Tajik (talk) 00:38, 28 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Update: User:Lagoo sab has been banned indefinitely for using multiple accounts: Sockpuppet investigations/Lagoo sab. Tajik (talk) 01:57, 28 December 2010 (UTC)
 * After the German IP 94.219.98.69 was blocked, the sockmaster (Tajik) started using a United Kingdom IP 109.123.93.228 to edit Rābi'a bint Ka'b al-Quzdārī.  This incident clearly proves that someone in Germany is using proxies, notice the edit summary is identical to the ones left by the German IPs and an admin confirmed it is a proxy. — Preceding unsigned comment added by GinGongGangGing (talk • contribs) 23:26, 31 December 2010 (UTC) User:GinGongGangGin has been blocked as a sockpuppet of Lagoo Sab

I will leave it up to the wisdom of the checkuser on whether to run this one. I wouldn't be surprised in the slightest to see either Tajik or Chartinael has socked; as I and other admins have pointed out, this dispute has appeared to have dirty hands on all sides. Magog the Ogre (talk) 06:35, 1 January 2011 (UTC)
 * 1) Lagoo Sab, the guy who started this SPI, was subsequently blocked on his own for sockpuppetry outside the rules allowed by WP.
 * 2) One of Lagoo Sab's socks edited this report after Lagoo Sab was blocked permanently:.
 * 3) LS has providing IPs was different geolocations.
 * 4) LS spends a lot of extra text above talking about a sock incident that occurred 2.5 years ago.
 * 5) This comes across as a fishing expedition. LS has a nice history, across all of his accounts, of accusing others of sockpuppetry. Guilty conscience, I guess.
 * 6) Tajik does have a history of socking, and LS's SPI seemed a bit fishing-y too.
 * well, seems like the innocent until proven guilty as well as agf doesn't go with admin magog. I am amazed how he assumed gf with lagoo sab but does not with either tajik or me. Now i cannot speak for tajik but know for sure that i am not socking around. Just for your information: in germany there live 80 mio folks. I presume quite a few might demonstrate an interest in south asian topics as we have quite a few decent institutes over here. Considering that magog is a recent editor and admin - and yes 2008 qualifies for recent with me - i feel he is leaning quite far out of the window with his implicit accusation. छातीऀनाएल - chartinael (talk) 10:47, 1 January 2011 (UTC)


 * Magog the Ogre, as I have already explained to you, I did not have any socks! That was a false accusation and a mistake by admins. LS's claims are baseless, as he is desperately trying to get either me or Chartinael banned. But if you do not believe me, take your time and run the CU. I have nothing to hide. Tajik (talk) 13:30, 1 January 2011 (UTC)

I'll say the same thing I stated to LS; I'm assuming nothing; noting only that I think everyone's behavior was less than optimal (hence, the fact I blocked Chartinael once). I hold no grudges, assume no bad faith, and have no stake whatsoever in the edit war (I live about as far from this part of the world as any). I was not aware that apparently the CU had erred before. Remember to WP:AAGF. :) Magog the Ogre (talk) 07:39, 6 January 2011 (UTC)

Sockpuppeteer is involved here, I think User:Chartinael is a sockpuppet of Kurdo777. See Sockpuppet investigations/Tajik/Archive--Mamadoo from South Afrika (talk) 11:43, 6 January 2011 (UTC)

Clerk, CheckUser, and/or patrolling admin comments

 * Honestly I can't make heads or tails of the discussion here, so I'm just asking for a CU to check if the two active accounts - and  are the same. —  Hello Annyong  (say whaaat?!) 20:18, 5 January 2011 (UTC)
 * and are ❌. Chase me ladies, I&#39;m the Cavalry (talk) 12:07, 6 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Alright, at least I personally already knew that much. If there was anything else abusive, the CU would let us know, right? Anyway someone close down this shitcan of sock activity already. Magog the Ogre (talk) 12:12, 6 January 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm just looking into a couple of other related bits, if we could keep this report open for a while? Chase me ladies, I&#39;m the Cavalry (talk) 12:15, 6 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Right, is, as far as I can see, not socking at all. Neither is . Let's AGF here - there are harsh feelings on all sides, but no socking from those two. I have found a nice little nest of Lagoo Sab socks surrounding, though, and have blocked and tagged them all. I think we can close this. Chase me ladies, I&#39;m the Cavalry (talk) 12:30, 6 January 2011 (UTC)
 * So closing. —  Hello Annyong  (say whaaat?!) 13:00, 6 January 2011 (UTC)