Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Gpkp/Archive

Suspected sockpuppets



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 * User Gpkp made their first edit on 26 August 2010, but after making four more edits in 2010, they became inactive. After a break of seven years, they again became active on 6 December 2017. If one looks at the articles created by Gpkp, they started creating articles about the Kannada actors & magazines. But from March onward, and esp. Arpil onward, their editing started looking like undisclosed paid editing, e.g. they created, , , , , etc. between 19 April & 29 April 2018.
 * Anyway, user Gpkp started editing an SPA-created 2A Magazine article on 19 April 2018, and Accesscrawl – who was inactive after making their first edit on 26 November 2017 – became active on 23 April 2018, and continued the work of expanding that article. Two days later, Accesscrawl created their user page by copy-pasting the user page of Gpkp. After realizing their mistake, they blanked the page within minutes. User Gpkp created article about an Iranian architect, namely Ahmad Zohadi, on 28 April 2018. It was AfDed within few minutes. And few minutes later Accesscrawl edited it. Six days after Gpkp successfully refunded the soft deleted article, Accesscrawl uploaded a high resolution pic of the subject, which was supposedly taken by them in Berlin. Note that, leaving behind this pic, all other uploaded pics of Accesscrawl are of the villages of Himachal Pradesh, India. Few months down the line, Gpkp uploaded a pic for 2A Magazine, and on the same day, Accesscrawl created an article on 2A Continental Architectural Awards, which are organised by 2A Magazine.


 * Accesscrawl started editing Rajneesh on 24 April 2018, and Gpkp also made their first edit at the article on that day, in which they added 'Osho' in the infobox. User Gpkp made their second & last edit at Rajneesh on the next day, in which they replaced "Osho Rajneesh" with "Osho" in the infobox. Few hours later, Accesscrawl started editing that article in the same vein, and replaced "Rajneesh" with "Osho" in the lead. Note that how both editors gave example of Gulzar in their edit summaries – &.


 * Accesscrawl created Naggar Castle at 02:31, 19 June 2018, and it was CSDed at 03:50, 19 June 2018. Within two minutes of the CSD tagging, Gpkp logged in & made first edit of the day. And after sorting out the uploaded pic, they started improving the article. Note that Accesscrawl was logged in via mobile phone, while Gpkp was logged in with some other device during this interval.


 * Accesscrawl created Gino Banks on 21 June 2018‎. Four minutes after Accesscrawl made their second edit to it, Gpkp expanded it. Note that they were again using different devices for editing. Similarly, The Price of Everything was created by Accesscrawl on 29 July 2018‎, and Gpkp expanded it the very next day.


 * Finally, there are other edit overlaps which can be seen here.


 * User Onkuchia made their first edit in October 2017 & has made around 300 edits till date. He had made three edits at AfDs till the day before yesterday, and all of them were unmistakably made to help Accesscrawl. First participation of Onkuchia at AfDs was at Guri (singer). As one can see, Accesscrawl's delete !vote was followed by a "keep" !vote, after which there was no !vote till Onkuchia !voted "delete" at the end of 2nd relisting, which proved decisive. Similarly, Onkuchia's second !vote came at George Meredith (sannyasin), which was AfDed by Accesscrawl. Just before the close of that AfD, a user comments might have swung the balance, but Onkuchia came & sealed the deal. Their third !vote is at Shikha Makan – the article was created by Accesscrawl. After its 2nd relist, one user !voted to draftify the article, while I was commenting in favour of redirect. So Onkuchia appeared again & !voted "keep" just before the end of second relisting.


 * Similar pattern can be noticed at the ANI. Onkuchia participated just twice there, but both of the times they supported Accesscrawl. At Unblock request by User:BukhariSaeed, Onkuchia !voted "oppose" on 30 July 2018, and within few hours, Accesscrawl !voted "oppose" as well. Similarly, Accesscrawl !voted "support" on 14 August 2018 at Site ban proposal for User:NadirAli, and few hours later, Onkuchia also !voted "support" there. Note that Accesscrawl & Onkuchia practically always edit using a mobile phone.


 * User Orientls made their first few edits in 2014, after which they became inactive. And like the other three accounts, they became active near the end of 2017, and have made around 370 edits. Like Onkuchia, they are also giving a helping hand at the AfDs & the ANI to Accesscrawl. Accesscrawl started the Mahdi Fakhimi AfD. After no one !voted there, Orientls !voted "delete" just before the completion of the first week. Similarly, they !voted "delete" at George Meredith (sannyasin), which was AfDed by Accesscrawl. They were also the first one to !vote "keep" at Shikha Makan AfD – the article was created by Accesscrawl. At the AfD of Bomai incident, they !voted "delete" on 5 July 2018, and within few hours, Accesscrawl also !voted "delete" there.
 * They also supported Accesscrawl at Talk:Khalistan movement RfC – both of them !voted "oppose", as can be seen here & here. And now they are supporting both Accesscrawl & Onkuchia at the Site ban proposal for User:NadirAli. Note that Orientls mostly edit using a mobile phone, just like Accesscrawl & Onkuchia. NitinMlk (talk) 00:27, 15 August 2018 (UTC)


 * Re Accesscrawl:
 * All three of the suspected socks made their first edits within a timespan of 20 minutes today – between 4:33 UTC & 4:53 UTC –, , & . But that might be a coincidence.


 * Accesscrawl, firstly, if had checked the editing pattern of the two accounts, he would've already reported you. Anyway, user Gpkp provided you help as recently as two weeks ago, so that surely doesn't count as your "early days". Secondly, Gpkp is using your account to avoid scrutiny regarding paid editing. That's why they uploaded Ahmad Zohadi's pic via your account. Otherwise editors might have asked about their COI. They've also created an article about an award (which is organized by Ahmad Zohadi's magazine) through your account. Similarly, they used your account to change the common name of Rajneesh, which was quite a controversial move. You also invited them at the Rajneesh's talk page move request in June, and you were clearly pretending as if they were unknown to you. So, if not sock puppetry, you are indulging in meat puppetry & suspected undisclosed paid editing, to say the least. But looking at the overlapping & suspicious edits of the four of you, I believe that this is a case of sock puppetry. Also, copyvio problem isn't only with Onkuchia. Both you & Gpkp have the same problem. In fact, the latter was blocked for copyvio, and you also have your share of them, e.g., , etc. Anyway, experienced users will take care of this case, and you shouldn't worry about it, provided you have clean hands. - NitinMlk (talk) 19:50, 15 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Accesscrawl's assumption of bad faith & casting of aspersions on other users are blatant violations of this project's policies. Like Onkuchia was advised yesterday, I would advise Accesscrawl to visit WP:ASPERSIONS. Interestingly, at their respective user pages, Accesscrawl had Category:Wikipedians in Maharashtra, while Onkuchia had Category:WikiProject Maharashtra members. But both of them removed Maharashtra-specific categories later on.


 * Anyway, I suspect that a single person is abusing multiple accounts here to avoid scrutiny & to win disputes at articles, AfDs, & AN. And I've provided proofs for the same. So, Accesscrawl, please focus on constructive editing & let a checkuser sort this case out. - NitinMlk (talk) 18:38, 16 August 2018 (UTC)

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Funny how POV pushers these days resort to filing SPI because they can't get a way to push their POV. Accesscrawl (talk) 04:33, 15 August 2018 (UTC)


 * Furthermore the relation was already revealed on wiki. Gpkp has given me a hand during my early days. Everyone including is aware about it. Who are these two other users? One editor still learning how to avoid copyvio while other editor knows what is a "WP:NOTLYRICS". You need to make better arguments to push your POV on an AfD than making up connection anyhow. Sorry but this SPI is garbage. Accesscrawl (talk) 06:49, 15 August 2018 (UTC)
 * I see you are already making your SPI irrelevant since after failing to provide credible evidence of sock puppetry you have started alleging me of paid editing. WP:COI is thataway, but hopefully that is not going to work for you either because your allegations are absurd. You are cherrypicking because I canvassed over a dozen editors to Rajneesh. I could elaborate but it seems that you won't understand after all. Sharing only some same interests is not an evidence otherwise you should be convicted as my "strawman sock". Accesscrawl (talk) 03:51, 16 August 2018 (UTC)


 * I'm only going to comment up here in this report, seeing how I've already made several pointed comments in the NadirAli siteban proposal. I have noted for some time how Accesscrawl's aggressive noticeboard postings (example directly above this comment) remind me of another user, but I haven't been able to put my finger on it. I had also noted in the siteban thread how Orientls' aggressive style "reminded me of someone", and just thinking on it now how Orientls went away after he targeted me and I shot back, after which Accesscrawl turned up with more aggressive badgering of other commenters in opposition to the site ban. I also wrote in that thread about how it was interesting that several not-new accounts had turned up in that thread with their first-ever or first-in-years AN edit, and Onkuchia was among those accounts. There's something going on there that smells like Stratford after a good rain. However, I've had exactly zero interactions with the supposed master. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 19:07, 15 August 2018 (UTC)
 * My comments here are a valid reaction to an SPI filed only for winning an AfD. On AN thread, I had made two comments when I made my first edit to the section and it comes before you "shot back" anyone. Accesscrawl (talk) 03:17, 16 August 2018 (UTC)


 * Comment by Sam Sailor : I have interacted first with Accesscrawl (AC) and later with Gpkp. It was I who noticed that AC had copied Gpkp's user page (permalink to discussion with Gpkp) and his answer was a straight: Upon the copy-paste act, I need to inform you that I know the user in person, who copypasted, and we were having a discussion on updating his userpage on that day. Basic profiling based on • Articles created Gpkp vs. AC

• Editing style

• AFD participation Gpkp vs. AC

• Communication style

• Crisis handling skillssuggests that it is two different persons behind these two accounts. Nowhere is it more clear than when looking at how they communicate: I can not find a single case where Gpkp replies in a snarky fashion. I find no reason not to believe Gpkp's statement AGF. Where the two have edited the same articles, I struggle to see that there has been any faul intentions; it looks more like "hey, bud, could you lend me a hand with sourcing and expanding?" Although their edits to Rajneesh in April gives me a serious case of facepalm and "what were you thinking, guys?", and I can fully understand if someone looks at that those edits and thinks "collusion" - and not a very thoughtful and succesful one. Still, I chose to see it as a failure to observe WP:STABLE and follow WP:CAREFUL rather than malice.The above filing tries to connect dots that are mighty far apart, look here • 2008: Gpkp is created, makes 5 edits in 2010 and is then dormant until December 2017

• 2014-03: Orientls is created, makes about 30 edits now and again before they start editing in October 2017

• 2017-08: Onkuchia is created, they have edited regularily since April 2018 There is overlap worth noticing between Gpkp and the two other accounts, cf. Editor Interaction Analyser. OP makes a case of alleged vote stacking at AFD. The alleged master Gpkp has zero edits at AFD ever. There is, between the three remaining accounts, an overlap at five AFD discussions. All of these are India-related topics. But it is perhaps relevant to have a look at discussions where there are overlap, although vote stacking would be typical:• Articles for deletion/Kunal Kamra, no alleged socks turn up.

• Articles for deletion/Sivananda yoga, AC's nomination, it was technically botched and I suggested he G7 tagged it, but he persisted, yet none of the alleged socks turned up to support deletion. Keep outcome.

• Articles for deletion/Amir Abdollah Tahmasebi, AC's nomination, no participation from alleged sock accounts. Keep outcome.

• Articles for deletion/Pin Parbati Pass, AC's nomination, no participation from alleged sock accounts. Speedy Keep outcome.

• Articles for deletion/Erin Colton, AC !votes as the only editor "keep", no participation from alleged sock accounts.

• Articles for deletion/Abhishek Sharrma, same scenario.

• Articles for deletion/Kitty Foxx, same scenario.

• Articles for deletion/Ann Sheetal, same scenario.

• Articles for deletion/Ruhan Rajput - this would be the archetypical AFD to call upon one's socks, but I see none. Bar 1 editor, they are all regular participants at AFD.

• Articles for deletion/Jass Manak, yet another AFD where AC !votes "keep" as the only editor, and none of his alleged socks join the discussion to support him.

• Articles for deletion/Ravi Kumar Panasa, one more, no "socks".

• Articles for deletion/Amou Haji, article created by AC himself, nobody turns up to !vote "keep".

• Articles for deletion/Felix Starck, article created by AC himself, nobody turns up to !vote "keep".

• Articles for deletion/Expedition Happiness, same scenario

• and finally:

• Articles for deletion/Ankit Arora (cyclist), AC's article taken to AFD by me, no alleged socks turn up. I think the case here is weak based on behavioural evidence, and I support the suggested CU check. Sam Sailor 11:00, 17 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Like I've said now in many places, I'm quite strongly convinced of off-wiki collusion (meat puppetry at least) among several users on one side of a certain Arbcom-mediated dispute, involving many more users than just what is mentioned here. But that will require much more thorough investigation than what we do at SPI. If these accounts are not technically related, then I suggest this be closed. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 13:49, 9 September 2018 (UTC)
 * I never took this SPI seriously. I don't even know who is Orientls and Onkuchia. The entire crux of the mentioned dispute is that when you see disruptive editors and obviously disruptive socks conflicting on same articles and disputes, then you would also see experienced editors deal with that disruption on regular basis and that inspires more editors to do the same. It is a bad news that their efforts are sometimes subject to mudslinging and meaningless conjecture (generally by ban evading socks and WP:1AMers), which is unfortunate. Since it happens frequently, this is why editors like me frequently monitor the affected areas through watchlist and check the activities of many other editors, to see where it is possible to intervene. This pattern was well understood by admins on a recent bogus SPI which was filed by a NOTHERE meat puppet against me and DBigXray. Accesscrawl (talk) 17:03, 9 September 2018 (UTC)

Clerk, CheckUser, and/or patrolling admin comments

 * Accesscrawl does have a very very low edit additional account, but it's not violating any policies.
 * Accesscrawl, Onkuchia, Orientls all have very high level differences which erases all concerns that they are the same persons, and therefore are ❌.
 * As Gpkp didn't come up in the search of three accounts, I'm not going to run them.
 * This does not exclude the possibility of meatpuppetry and/or collusion of wiki, as it definitely made a convincing case to check. -- Amanda  (aka DQ) 19:04, 8 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Ping relevant parties since this case is so old. --  Amanda  (aka DQ) 19:06, 8 September 2018 (UTC)


 * This is an INVOLVED close, but there is nothing left to do here. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 13:05, 31 October 2018 (UTC)