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06 June 2015

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Persistent POV pusher even when asked to go to the talk page and even when reliable sources are presented. He stopped editing in 2009 and came back now as part of an organization that ask for an ethnic Greek identity to be imposed upon Levantite christians inspite of the Academic debunking of This. He inserted the site of a small party and a blog that call for this and all his edits since are for that cause.

The suckpuppetry : He already made four edits to insert his POV. I caught him when he made this edit as an IP on the Talk page then he thought I wouldn't notice and signed quickly after he logged in. He then logged out and continued to revert using the sock puppets IP'S. and, He later came and deleted 10 reliable sources and brought back the version which is un-sourced and full with POV

Another of his sockpuppets is this IP which made many edits to the Antiochian Greeks page and reverted other editors to advance his version. You can see that this latest IP is his here when he made this edit and then remembered to sign with his real account

His bad faith is clear here when he reverted me and said Let's get along people... to indicate that he is not the same as other IP'S, He also denied ever using any but his own account on his talk page which is obviously a lie Attar-Aram syria (talk) 18:36, 6 June 2015 (UTC)

Gramaic | Talk 05:31, 7 June 2015 (UTC)
 * My bad faith? I'm not trying to turn all Levantine Christians into Greeks...I'm rather acknowledging the Greek heritage of the Levantine Rûm, and the Assyrians/Syriacs I refer to them as Assyrians/Syriacs...We have provided sources...One of them being that of Pavlos Koralidis that acknowledges the Greek heritage of the Rûm...As I have mentioned, the IP address was a mistake on my part for forgetting to log in, otherwise, if I was trying to commit sock puppetry and be deceptive, I would not have logged in and replace the IP signature with the signature of this account of mine... With all due respect, you're the one pushing a POV with trying to eliminate the Greek reference of the Antiochians, despite the source provided...The majority of academics might not consider the Antiochians as Greeks, but history and the source we provided shows the Greek heritage of the Levantine Rûm...Again I'm not suggesting all Levantine Christians are Greeks...But we respect all POVs, one of them where Antiochian are considering themselves Greeks in a large number...
 * This isnt the place of this discussion. You had a chance to discuss on the talk page.--Attar-Aram syria (talk) 05:36, 7 June 2015 (UTC)

Have a goodnight, Gramaic | Talk 05:46, 7 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Friend, you're accusing me of bad faith...I have to address this allegation...Again, my edits on the IP addresses were unintentional, simply because I forgot to log in at times...Other than the mistakes for not logging in, this account I'm using right now is the only account I have...

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 * I haven't studied this deeply but there is enough chance of organized POV-pushing that I've applied one month of full protection at Antiochian Greeks, after reading the thread at WP:ANI (permanent link). The various IPs assisting User:Gramaic could be meatpuppets or colleagues in his organization because the IPs are from different places. User:Gramaic wants to make all these Levantine Christians be ethnic Greeks, which does push the bounds of common sense a bit, so the dispute seems to fall under WP:ARBMAC. That decision covers "the entire set of Balkan-related articles, broadly interpreted". Ethnic Greeks are certainly Balkan-related persons. EdJohnston (talk) 04:23, 7 June 2015 (UTC)
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 * Per this edit 172.56.17.68 appears to be Gramaic editing logged out. So that could be inadvertent. Though that IP has edited Antiochian Greeks seven times on June 6 and 7, and Gramaic three times. So at a minimum Gramaic should be warned not to join in an edit war while logged out. If we want to be literal this calls for a 3RR block. EdJohnston (talk) 04:50, 7 June 2015 (UTC)
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 * Per this edit 172.56.17.68 appears to be Gramaic editing logged out. So that could be inadvertent. Though that IP has edited Antiochian Greeks seven times on June 6 and 7, and Gramaic three times. So at a minimum Gramaic should be warned not to join in an edit war while logged out. If we want to be literal this calls for a 3RR block. EdJohnston (talk) 04:50, 7 June 2015 (UTC)

Hello there, My intention was not to violate any rules. My changes under the IP address was an honest mistake on my part, due to the fact that I have forgotten to log in to my account at times... Gramaic | Talk 05:11, 7 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Per his agreement at User talk:Gramaic I'll accept the editor's offer to avoid both the Antiochian Greeks article and talk page, for one month, in lieu of a block for edit warring. He now states the use of IPs was inadvertent. I'll leave it to other admins to decide if any further action on this report is needed. I didn't investigate 67.250.9.249 and I don't know if that was also Gramaic. EdJohnston (talk) 05:47, 7 June 2015 (UTC)

Clerk, CheckUser, and/or patrolling admin comments

 * Checkuser comment: This seems to be adequately addressed by the agreement above.  No further action required at this time.  Risker (talk) 22:18, 14 June 2015 (UTC)