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16 September 2013

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I am certain that IP 209.121.225.230 is indefinitely banned user Greengrounds. 209.121.225.230 created the account today and immediately reverted five of my edits, seemingly at random, some of them going back months, on a range of articles including the Bible, music and history. Greengrounds made clear that this is just the sort of thing he would do once indefinitely blocked  and is exactly the sort of thing he did just before he was blocked, although the random deletes he did of my edits seem to have vanished from his contributions, maybe an admin removed them. Greengrounds considers me "the enemy" for starting a discussion on AN/I about his edits .You are supposed to say how he is using the accounts abusively - well, he is blocked so is not supposed to be editing at all and these deletes are obvious WP:HOUND. I don't know if a checkuser works with IP's, I have never opened an SPI before, so if a checkuser would be useful, then yes I request one. but it is not necessary from my point of view, I know this is Greengrounds. Smeat75 (talk) 02:47, 16 September 2013 (UTC)


 * The reverts Greengrounds did of my edits using 209.121.225.230 are similar to ones he did at the time he was indef blocked using 198.161.203.6, a computer at a public library .Smeat75 (talk) 14:29, 16 September 2013 (UTC)


 * Diff of AN/I discussion where admin Akhilleus recognised 198.161.203.6 as Greengrounds using a public library .Smeat75 (talk) 15:06, 16 September 2013 (UTC)

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 * Stale for action at this point. I would agree with your conclusion but there is little that can be done at this point. NativeForeigner Talk 22:03, 19 September 2013 (UTC)

19 February 2015

 * Suspected sockpuppets
 * UPDATE: The original complaint (by me) is only still relevant for one IP, who admitted to being a Greengrounds alter ego (see paragraph B under "evidence" below)NewsAndEventsGuy (talk) 15:36, 9 March 2015 (UTC)


 * REPLY to update: The SPI was initiated against myself and my IP addy-I have ZERO to do with greengrounds and/or any "admitted" IP associated with that account. NO SP here, but I was using a partially dynamic-(partially because the whole number was sometimes partially static) IP addy, and I guess that some editors who like to spend-time edit/or-stalking rather-than dealing with article content need more static info so i agreed to log-in when pertaining-to Climate change articles.Too bad I am too busy to log0in right now because I think that the wall Street Journal could be used as an acceptable ref. for something that has been disputed in the GW topic. http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424052702303480304579578462813553136 I am the IP who was charged with this, also registered as changalangaIP2601:C:67C0:F8:445E:C7CC:A0E3:5D25 (talk) 16:11, 9 March 2015 (UTC)
 * UPDATE: In the course of this SPI, I was persuaded the following IPs are a different editor, who went on to register as .NewsAndEventsGuy (talk) 15:36, 9 March 2015 (UTC)
 * UPDATE: In the course of this SPI, I was persuaded the following IPs are a different editor, who went on to register as .NewsAndEventsGuy (talk) 15:36, 9 March 2015 (UTC)


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 * Evidence'''
 * A. 7-13-2014 In reply to being blocked, Greengrounds' alter IP ego 96.52.180.114 we "are all cunts and niggers". (Lovely)
 * B. 8-31-2013 We know that's a Greengrounds alter ego because (s)he signed a comment previously posted as IP 96.52.180.114
 * C. 9-6-2013 Greengrounds indeffed; talk page and contribs show strong interest in articles related to Christianity
 * D. 12-30-2014 Block expires for Greengrounds' alter IP ego 96.52.180.114
 * E. Jan-Feb 2015, Immediately after block in (D) expires Greengrounds' alter IP ego 96.52.180.114 resumes activity on articles related to Christianity (see IP contribs)
 * F. Feb 2015, IP 2601:C:6783:8416:BD19:9DFE:2A64:FBE3 challenges graphics and text at Scientific opinion on climate change
 * article talk thread
 * User talk page (entire contents are about this so far)
 * According to the IP, there is a mismatch between our text and the sources


 * G. Retracted
 * H. ~1300 UTC 2-19-2015 In a thread on my talk page started by one of Greengrounds' IPs, I noted I'd be making an SPI complaint
 * I. 16:27 UTC 2-19-2015 Alerted to SPI possibility (H above), on the same article, Greengrounds hops from
 * 2601:C:6783:8416:BD19:9DFE:2A64:FBE3 to
 * 2601:C:6783:8416:44F5:571F:5EA2:DC5C


 * J. Further evidence that 2601:C:6783:8416:BD19:9DFE:2A64:FBE3 used to edit under a "normal" IP (like 96.52.180.114). This is worth quote "WHAT? No I deny this accusation because it is completely wrong. I have edited thousand of a wide variety of topics, most as IP. I don't know why my IP looks so funny lately-this changalanga-looking IP, but I did not intend to spend so much time on this topic and I normally edit IP, and after getting into the topic I thought it better to just stay as IP to avoid appearing as SP. 2601:C:6783:8416:BD19:9DFE:2A64:FBE3 (talk) 15:00, 18 February 2015 (UTC)"

Thanks for reading. NewsAndEventsGuy (talk) 17:43, 19 February 2015 (UTC)


 * I have added as suspected socks, as the opening comments at Talk:Global_warming (NAEG's point "J"; see hidden comments) show a continuity across those and 2601:...:FBE3. ~ J. Johnson (JJ) (talk) 20:33, 19 February 2015 (UTC)


 * IS/was me since December last year. That was/is my static IP . I am not changing it or doing anything to be a sock. Just normal IP editing. Maybe I have a different IP when on my mobile but it doesn't look to me like that is the case. I am not this Green-whatever blocked user and I resent being included with their edits. If you put this "other" suspected sock IP I can let you know if that was me, but it doesn't look like you have the whole number there. 2601:C:67C0:F8:35B5:3331:DAB7:A60E (talk) 00:19, 20 February 2015 (UTC)


 * Ahhhh-yes that was me too no SP there either. My FIRST ever on WP visit to the wonderful world of Global warming. As I stated in that Talk Page question-(I did not want to go into the article after seeing sanctions/locking and I was asking for help with a new development or so I thought).........I WAS on my mobile. I referenced Drudge as shorthand for all of the links posted there that day, (also this "send climate scientists to prison" nonsense had been on broadcast news that days as well.) I was promptly called a troll and yes i responded that was not the case that i was genuinely interested in what this was all about and where it could be found on WP. I NEVER even edited that article. I have been poking-around GW topics, because i am still learning about the topic, and editing in general while I am reading-up, being a USER of WP, I am editing here and there. Pretty normal editing I would say, no SP intended. IF my responses to being accused of trolling on my initial outreach to the Global warming TP had a DIFFERENT IP---well I didn't even notice since i obviously kept responding AS-OF I were THAT EDITOR--the one who had asked about these links on Drudge.2601:C:67C0:F8:35B5:3331:DAB7:A60E (talk) 00:59, 20 February 2015 (UTC)


 * FWIW, IP96 and IP98 are exceedingly (as in a couple thousand miles apart per Geolocation) unlikely to be the same user. Sorry. Collect (talk) 22:08, 19 February 2015 (UTC)


 * My basis for adding IP 98* is the association with 2601*FBE3. I think further association with IP 96* is not precluded by the distance, as the the behavior associating them does not overlap in time. The distance might reflect a change of location of the individual. ~ J. Johnson (JJ) (talk) 23:02, 19 February 2015 (UTC)


 * IP96 edits at 11:07 on 4 Jan. IP98 at 18:22 on 5 Jan allowing 31 hours to move a relatively great distance, but doable.  IP98 at 19:25 on 11 Jan and IP96 at 10:07 on 12 Jan - allowing a tad under 15 hours for a trip from Washington DC to Edmonton Alberta.  2334 miles by road, but I hate to point out that there were significant weather delays for that trip. By air, fastest trip is 7 hours, but most end up in the 10 to 13 hour slot, and not doable.  Collect (talk) 23:48, 19 February 2015 (UTC)


 * DC5C and the other 2601s all geolocate to  NE of Wichita KS. Meat puppets? Maybe. Socks? unlikely unless we have a master puppeteer.Collect (talk) 00:02, 20 February 2015 (UTC)


 * Re Collect,
 * There's no question of the 96-to-indeffed-Greengrounds connection due to paragraph B
 * I think the 96-to-2601:etc connection is shown in paragraph G.
 * There's no question of the 98-to-2601 connection due to these diffs
 * 02:56, February 10, 2015‎ 2601:c:6783:8416:4d09:5cf6:573c:11d Created new section "‎where does this go?"
 * 07:41, February 10, 2015 ‎ William M. Connolley "trolling"
 * 22:10, February 10, 2015‎ 98.221.118.184 references the initial question and denies (s)he's "trolling" NewsAndEventsGuy (talk) 23:31, 19 February 2015 (UTC)


 * Actually I have downloaded and allowed some pretty precise geolocation to my machine(s) since I live in New Jersey and by doing that I am allowed to play casino online and pick-up my winnings in Atlantic City, and I am wondering if THAT has something to do with why my IP is so weird-looking lately? I know that someone who really knew what they were doing could probably defeat the casino's geolocation, but I'd say they probably have some pretty good stuff? 2601:C:67C0:F8:35B5:3331:DAB7:A60E (talk) 00:29, 20 February 2015 (UTC)

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IP accused as sock Currently logged-in with user name ChangalangaIP (talk) 15:24, 20 February 2015 (UTC) I am requesting checkuser for NewsAndEventsGuy reason: disruption — Preceding unsigned comment added by ChangalangaIP (talk • contribs) 15:25, 20 February 2015 (UTC)


 * Response from Accused Editor
 * This is continuing harassment by an editor who has already been politely asked to back-off. FTR, 2601:C:6783:8416:BD19:9DFE:2A64:FBE3 and 2601:C:6783:8416:44F5:571F:5EA2:DC5C ARE my edits.(EDIT to ADD 98.221.118.184 with new "socK" accusation see above yes I have edited from this IP as well with NO SOCKING being involved)98.221.118.184 (talk) 00:23, 20 February 2015 (UTC) I don't know why my IP looks so odd lately, it used to be static for YEARS. I did not intentionally do anything to change or SP my IP. I may have made a few GF mistakes on this Global warming topic, but it has never been my intention to harm the project. I am personally offended by being linked-up with some vandal. And I think that the inclusion of an offensive statement below under "evidence"-is just another of NewsAndEventsGuy's flaunting of how he is apparently allowed to "get away" with nonsense on WP.
 * I would like to be advised whether or not logging-in with my user ID at this point, would be recommended? When I 1st approached the Global warming topic, I was NOT "looking for trouble"--and signed-in IP like I normally do. After it got dicey there, I thought that it would be best to stay with my IP--(not knowing that it apparently is changing daily??!!)....so any advice here on that would help. Thank-you for any help in this2601:C:6783:8416:44F5:571F:5EA2:DC5C (talk) 19:16, 19 February 2015 (UTC)


 * OH-and exactly what in my editing is something that a SP would do? I'm discussing my edits and proposals on article TPs and yes I went back and continued to edit an article after I was blocked (without trying to change my identity ftr), but i was never topic or article blocked there for one thing, and I had a whole other problem with the article and even AGREED with the consensus that my rv /undone edit which i 3rr'd and was blocked-for was not the best thing for the article. I'm not so sure that I want to get into my problems with NewsAndEventsGuy's behavior, and ask that sanctions be imposed for him, but the topic ownership issues, and paranoid, attacking, harassing, bullying at this point--behavior, plus general actions which contradict the goals of editor retention, make me wonder if that is something that would help or if that is what they really want-(attention)?2601:C:6783:8416:44F5:571F:5EA2:DC5C (talk) 20:16, 19 February 2015 (UTC)

Annotated Point by Point Response from accused IP Editor: THIS IS NOT Evidence of anything
 * A. NOPE.
 * B. IP 96.52.180.114 disagreed with my post here. Is THIS where you got me confused with them? Are you saying that I made one point and then responded to myself like that? If so, NO THAT DID NOT HAPPEN.
 * C. NOPE NOT ME HERE. 9-6-2013 Greengrounds indeffed; talk page and contribs show strong interest in articles related to Christianity
 * D. NOPE. I was never blocked in December 2014 12-30-2014 Block expires for Greengrounds' alter IP ego 96.52.180.114
 * E. NOPE NOT ME-this is a stretch/nice try-I'm pretty sure editors do that if they are not topic-blocked despite your trying to bully me off the topic. Jan-Feb 2015, Immediately after block in (D) expires Greengrounds' alter IP ego 96.52.180.114 resumes activity on articles related to Christianity (see IP contribs)
 * F. Feb 2015, challenges graphics and text at Scientific opinion on climate change: article talk thread, User talk page (entire contents are about this so far). I IP edited the TP and article there NO SP. YES I HAVE A PROBLEMS WITH THE GRAPHIC SO HAVE MANY OTHER EDITORS BUT YOU KEEP PUSHING YOUR INAPPROPRIATE GRAPH. According to the IP, there is a mismatch between our text and the sources
 * H. GOOD FOR YOU waste everyone's time some more why don't you? I'm obviously not worried since I didn't do anything worth this fuss, YOU are the SPA who is hunkered-down owning the GW topic like a dog who will not let go of that bone.~1300 UTC 2-19-2015 In a thread on my talk page started by one of Greengrounds' IPs, I noted I'd be making an SPI complaint
 * I. If my IP changed it was not in attempt to "hop" or "do" anything except IP EDIT. BTW-I know that there is a topic sanction but the GW Portal invites bold-editing, and i resent your BULLY ways.I like the work that I did on Climate Vulnerable Forum article, no SP there So WHAT IS YOUR POINT? 16:27 UTC 2-19-2015 Alerted to SPI possibility (H above), on the same article, Greengrounds hops from to
 * J. Further evidence that used to edit under a "normal" IP (like 96.52.180.114<--NOT ME, nice try).  This is worth quote [...] I said this yes after getting blocked for about 2 mins for advertising(!?) 2601:C:67C0:F8:35B5:3331:DAB7:A60E (talk) 01:37, 20 February 2015 (UTC)

I remember Greengrounds rather well, particularly regarding his interest in religious topics. I remember it was not so much his interest in religion per se as much as his interest in indicating that in his eyes science or academia had discredited religion or certain religious tenets, specifically including the presumed historicity of Jesus. That is a rather narrow subfield within the broader field of religion. It would be very useful to indicate whether or not that specific interest is shared here. John Carter (talk) 19:02, 6 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Comment from John Carter

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The case filler withdrew all the accusations except against 96.52.180.114 who identified himself as Greengrounds before Greengrounds was blocked.  Vanjagenije  (talk)  11:05, 12 March 2015 (UTC)
 * I'm assuming you want someone to block the IP? I've done so for a year based on the previous extensive block log and an examination of the IP address itself, which is suspicious. In other words, the IP is not what it seems based on the usual tools. Close.--Bbb23 (talk) 22:17, 15 March 2015 (UTC)