Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Gunmetal Angel/Archive

14 December 2011

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User:Jer757, Blood on the Dance Floor (group), User: Gunmetal Angel, Darkest Hour (band)

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These both accounts appear to share the similar interests and have expressed it throughout the whole of the Wikipedian community. More notably after the recent warning from edit warring in Blood on the Dance Floor (group), one account engaged in an edit war, and then sometime after the other account came in an engaged in the war. And when Gunmetal Angel blasted the other user, the sock came in but, ironically appeared to agree in the similar tone, albeit in a more soft-spoken tone. Furthermore, the Gunmetal Angel has even posted personal information about the other user Jer757, hinting that may be the true identity of the Sock-master. In every dispute or the other, the other one speaks in a not so good fashioned tone, and the other comes in later, speaking in a more polite tone, agreeing to the similar point of view. Moreover their editing styles are strikingly similar. Abhijaynothome (talk) 11:15, 14 December 2011 (UTC)


 * This is ridiculous, him and I have already gone through the drama of being blamed of being the same person before. See this talk page thread, almost undeniable proof we are two different people. I'll be inviting Jer to this thread to have his say in this as well. GunMetal Angel  05:23, 15 December 2011 (UTC)


 * It was me who posted "personal" information about GunMetal Angel. Information that anyone can see if they look at his, or my uploads, we've both posted pictures from shows we've been to with information about where they were taken, that's how I know about where he's from.. Its pretty simple.
 * I have nothing to say, other than stating the obvious. Maybe when this claim is all resolved, you'll realize you're wrong, and finally leave us alone. - Jer Hit me up 05:41, 15 December 2011 (UTC)


 * Additional comment: I just checked his edits to find further proof, this case seems to be talking about how we support each other on talk page discussions now and then because we usually agree with one another. But here's something; I found he edits Talk:Fall Out Boy frequently and was in several disputes, never with me taking place in one. Also, the edits to Blood on the Dance Floor were not edit warring, in fact, him and I trying to take care of that long gone situation had several people agreeing with us. Are they us too? PS as another proof: I was going to post an additional comment under my earlier one, but Jer already edited the page from then on and it caused an edit conflict lol (even screencapped it as proof). But I would bet the guy that started this report would try to say I got in an edit conflict with myself. Am I right? Hahahaha -  GunMetal Angel  05:56, 15 December 2011 (UTC)

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 * Gunmetal has been around a damn long time. The edits to that article from each account are different, and I'm getting the sense that this report is really just a way of taking another shot at the edit war that's going on over there. I really see no reason at all to run a check or block on this one, but I'd like to hear from some other people first. —  Hello Annyong  (say whaaat?!) 04:07, 15 December 2011 (UTC)
 * I need evidence, not suspision to look into a case against a long term user. -- DQ  (t)   (e)  11:43, 15 December 2011 (UTC)

15 August 2012

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On June 19, was indefinitely blocked for edit and genre warring. The following day at 15:24, he made his final edit to his talk page, and only hours later at 22:40, the first in a series of 69.225 IP edits begins with and continues today. These IPs are editing the exact same pages as Gunmetal Angel. If one were to view the history of any page edited any of the above IPs, and the scrolled down the history to just before June 19, there would be an edit from Gunmetal Angel. While these IPs edit many, many articles (all of bands of the metalcore variety), these edits are particularly noteworthy on Impending Doom, Silverstein (band), Glassjaw and related albums where the IPs make changes or reverts to band genres just as Gunmetal Angel did

I had previously warned Gunmetal Angel about his use of edit summaries, which often featured personal attacks directed at other editors, conversations with other editors, colorful language and casual, internet-friendly lingo like "dude", "lol", "wtf" and "bro". These new IPs use a similar language in their edit summaries. In this summary, the IP threatens to block a user, which wasn't unusual for Gunmetal Angel.

One of the IPs also left a horribly uncivil and unprompted message for the IP whose reverts on Brand New eventually lead to Gunmetal Angel's ban. Fezmar9 (talk) 17:23, 15 August 2012 (UTC)

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 * I've blocked 69.225.133.37, the only current IP, for disruptive editing, but this is way too large of a range for a rangeblock. You might need to try page protection or else deal with them one at a time, when they are currently editing. Dennis Brown -  2&cent;    &copy;   Join WER 02:47, 17 August 2012 (UTC)

16 September 2012

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Clear socks by way of the duck test. In a conversation with the admin who last blocked Gunmetal's IP sock, he said a range block is technically possible, but not many admins would really be willing to block such a wide range. Because Gunmetal's IP socks edit too many different articles to consider page protection, I think a range block would really be helpful in this situation. Especially since he has a new IP he edits with every other day or so, so by the time this SPI closes, he'll just have a new one and continue to evade his ban. Continuing to file SPI reports for each new IP doesn't really seem like an effective way of dealing with this sock. Fezmar9 (talk) 19:29, 16 September 2012 (UTC)

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 * Still, whether a range block is doable or not depends on how much damage is done in relation to how many innocent editors will be affected by the block. In this case we are lucky since only a very few other anon edits come from the range, and at the same time get a quite significant amount of abuse in addition to the inappropriate block evasion. The editor seems to have lost all respect for community norms. So, rangeblocked for a while. I hope that the editor will take this as a wakeup call to try and find a way back to the community. It seems he was a loyal and valuable editor for a long while. Amalthea  16:38, 25 September 2012 (UTC)

06 October 2012

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In the last SPI, a range block was applied for IPs starting with 69.225.1XX.XXX. The range block seemed to have worked as most metalcore/deathcore related articles were relatively quiet. However, recently a new IP user beginning with 69.232.152.XXX has popped up and is clearly another sock of Gunmetal Angel, presumably using another computer he has access to. Like the last socks, these new ones continue to call other editors rather inappropriate names and is even posting similar comments on IP talk pages. Also like before, the majority of these edits related to altering the genres of bands/albums from the metalcore/deathcore scene. Fezmar9 (talk) 16:46, 6 October 2012 (UTC)

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 * OK, handled as well, please don't hesitate if he gets past it again. Amalthea  14:47, 7 October 2012 (UTC)

15 December 2012

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Same IP, same MO. This IP even left the exact same comment on the exact same article he edited two months ago. Fezmar9 (talk) 21:54, 15 December 2012 (UTC)

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 * Blocked 2 weeks as sock. Closing. Dennis Brown -  2&cent;    &copy;  Join WER 02:54, 16 December 2012 (UTC)

16 August 2013

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On June 19, 2012 Gunmetal Angel was indefinitely blocked for edit and genre warring. He has since been tagged numerous times as an IP user to further his edit and genre warring with IP addresses all in the same geolocation and with similar IP numbers, all starting with 69. Yesterday, I encountered the IP being reported at the article [Design the Skyline]]. And edit war ensued, along with the IP harassing me on my talk page and making personal attacks there along with personal attacks in his edit summaries. I reported him for edit warring here Administrators' noticeboard/Edit warring. The IPs he is using yesterday and today have been editing the same articles and types of articles as Gunmetal Angel. The article he was edit warring at yesterday and today was edited and discussed heavily by Gunmetal Angel right up to his block. .

As noted in an earlier SPI, Gunmetal Angel had been warned about his use of edit summaries, which often featured personal attacks directed at other editors, conversations with other editors, colorful language and casual, internet-friendly lingo like "dude", "lol", "wtf" and "bro". Look at the IP user's edit history just from the last two days, and you will see the same behavior and language. The edits he makes as well as comments he makes also indicate a knowledge of Wikipedia editing from a MOS standpoint and "how Wikipedia works" that goes beyond someone who's only been editing for a couple of days.

To me, at least, this is obvious sockpuppetry and block-evasion based on behavior and articles edited. I think it's also obvious even if the three IPs he's been using most recently are blocked he will be back when he manages to get another IP to use. Is a range block appropriate or even possible? -- Winkelvi ● ✉ ✓ 17:26, 16 August 2013 (UTC)


 * A new IP (now added to the list above) in use here. -- Winkelvi ● ✉ ✓ 17:42, 16 August 2013 (UTC)

Apparently, at least two of us missed that the first IP address had been tagged previously to be User:TheMetallican. Has it ever been established in previous SPIs that TheMetallican and Gunmetal Angel are one in the same? -- Winkelvi ● ✉ ✓ 17:53, 16 August 2013 (UTC)

I may be reading it wrong, but based on the Editor Interaction Utility report I just generated, I have reason to believe TheMetallican and Gunmetal Angel are one in the same. I have added TheMetallican to the SPI. -- Winkelvi ● ✉ ✓ 20:44, 16 August 2013 (UTC)

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 * Hi, I opened the last several SPI cases against GunMetal, so I'm very familiar with his MO. The IPs listed here look, to me, exactly like GunMetal's editing style. In regards to TheMetallican, I chimed in during one of his SPIs and suggested a similarity to GunMetal, but then retracted it (Metallican's archive). While their editing styles are similar, the articles they edit are normally pretty different. GunMetal mainly edits band articles that play more extreme music, while Metallican edits band articles that are more radio-friendly rock. I find it hard to believe one person would use two different accounts to edit articles of two different musical styles — though, there is at least some overlap. And it looks like when I posted my comment on Metallican's SPI, I had reason to believe they were different people because they were making different edits at the same time. If they're both making similar edits and are from the same area, maybe they're friends, but I don't believe they're one in the same. Just my two cents. Fezmar9 (talk) 21:24, 16 August 2013 (UTC)


 * Fezmar, check out edits over the last couple of days from 69.225.140.208 (the first IP on the list and one that has been tagged as belonging to TheMetallican) and then look at the edits of the other two IPs. Same articles, same concerns, same users complaining to the same administrator (Ged UK) about the same things -- AND all three IP accounts are editing extreme metal articles.  These edits alone, in my opinion, make Gunmetal and Metallican on in the same. I think that whomever is behind those accounts has been operating both of them at different times and has been getting away with it for quite a while.  -- Winkelvi ● ✉ ✓  02:22, 17 August 2013 (UTC)


 * Honestly, I think that IP may have been incorrectly identified as Metallican. The two biggest things that set these two users apart are music genre and aggressive/uncivil edit summaries. The IP that was identified Metallican demonstrates editing of extreme metal bands and aggressive/uncivil edit summaries, both of which are more indicative of GunMetal's style than Metallican. Metallican's edit summaries were either blank or straight to the point. GunMetal frequently calls other users names. In fact, I think it would be difficult to find a sock of GunMetal that didn't have one at least one edit summary that included at least the use of "idiot," "faggot," or "dumbfuck." I count a handful of diffs from this IP that include said language. After sifting through edit summaries of Metallican and his confirmed socks, I cannot find a single use of profanity. I agree that both of these users are VERY similar, but there are subtle differences. I wouldn't be surprised if they turned out to be roommates or brothers or something, but I still uphold that they are different people — possibly meat puppets. Fezmar9 (talk) 03:33, 17 August 2013 (UTC)


 * All you've said certainly makes sense. I never considered that the banner on that IPs user page could be an incorrect identification and remain there for so long.  Knowing that, I'm back to believing we just have one person here (Gunmetal), but will leave Metallican on the list and let whatever administrator who ends up sorting this out to remove it.  I assume that would be the right thing to do? -- Winkelvi ● ✉ ✓  03:47, 17 August 2013 (UTC)

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 * I've blocked the IPs for a bit as sockpuppets. However, I don't really think TheMetallican is related. Closing. Reaper Eternal (talk) 18:29, 17 August 2013 (UTC)

19 August 2013

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Same IP range, same articles, same commenting style, same geolocation, same concern (band type/genre). Most recently (other) used IPs were blocked as socks just a few days ago. This is probably just one more. -- Winkelvi ● ✉ ✓ 21:52, 19 August 2013 (UTC)

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— Berean Hunter   (talk)  22:33, 19 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Blocked 1 week. Please relist if you find more.
 * I've placed a 3 month block on the /20 range. Elockid  ( Talk ) 22:43, 19 August 2013 (UTC)
 * I've also place a 6 month block on 69.232.152.0/24. <b style="font-family:Calibri; font-size:14px; color:#4682B4;">Elockid</b>  ( Talk ) 22:45, 19 August 2013 (UTC)

19 August 2013

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Same articles, etc. Just range blocked; didn't take, I guess. -- <span style="text-shadow: 4px 4px 15px #0099FF, -4px -4px 15px #99FF00;">Winkelvi ● <span style="text-shadow: 4px 4px 15px #FF9900, -4px -4px 15px #FF0099;">✉ ✓ 22:48, 19 August 2013 (UTC)

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/22 rangeblocked for 6 months. <b style="font-family:Calibri; font-size:14px; color:#4682B4;">Elockid</b>  ( Talk ) 22:58, 19 August 2013 (UTC)

21 August 2013

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Same M.O including edit warring over genre. Quacking loudly. Now using T-Mobile because he is IP rangeblocked. Even the edit summary is vintage Gunmetal minus the profanity and calling me an "idiot". -- <span style="text-shadow: 4px 4px 15px #0099FF, -4px -4px 15px #99FF00;">Winkelvi ● <span style="text-shadow: 4px 4px 15px #FF9900, -4px -4px 15px #FF0099;">✉ ✓ 02:47, 21 August 2013 (UTC)

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— Berean Hunter   (talk)  02:54, 21 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Blocked and closing.

21 August 2013

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Same article, genre changing, edit warring over the change; leaving harassing, profanity-laden messages on my talk page and in the edit summary  -- <span style="text-shadow: 4px 4px 15px #0099FF, -4px -4px 15px #99FF00;">Winkelvi ● <span style="text-shadow: 4px 4px 15px #FF9900, -4px -4px 15px #FF0099;">✉ ✓  04:03, 21 August 2013 (UTC)

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— Berean Hunter   (talk)  04:06, 21 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Blocked and closing.

21 August 2013

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Believe to be one of the genre warriors Gunmetal Angel or TheMetallican. Gunmetal's latest IP socks have led an administrator to initiate rangeblocks, so Gunmetal might now be using proxy servers outside the country to get around them. The article edited by this IP is one that Gunmetal has edited in the past. This latest edit is genre, which is also typical for Gunmetal (and Metallican). -- <span style="text-shadow: 4px 4px 15px #0099FF, -4px -4px 15px #99FF00;">Winkelvi ● <span style="text-shadow: 4px 4px 15px #FF9900, -4px -4px 15px #FF0099;">✉ ✓ 17:19, 21 August 2013 (UTC)

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 * This doesn't seem to be an open proxy right now. Closing. Reaper Eternal (talk) 01:31, 28 August 2013 (UTC)

26 January 2014

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Same type of genre changes, same articles. WP:DUCK should fit here. There is a possibility this user is User:TheMetallican. Interestingly, their genre warring changes often run concurrent and they have each been mistaken for the other previously because of the similarity of their genre "edits". -- <span style="text-shadow: 4px 4px 15px #0099FF, -4px -4px 15px #99FF00;">Winkelvi ● <span style="text-shadow: 4px 4px 15px #FF9900, -4px -4px 15px #FF0099;">✉ ✓ 05:20, 26 January 2014 (UTC)

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I see that has already blocked the account, but I am not convinced yet. Changing genres on metal articles is not sufficient proof (you mention yourself that there is at least one other indef blocked editor who focused on that, I'm certain there are more, genre disputes are common), and the history of Talk:Chelsea Grin is a bit odd as well: those IP edits are almost certainly from KaBlez: 537, the style of those edits in my opinion doesn't match Gunmetal Angel, the overlapping edits in the SPI archive would be strange, and if I trust the IPs in the archive it also geolocates differently. Amalthea 10:56, 26 January 2014 (UTC)
 * To clarify the block wasn't related to sockpuppetry but to the disruptive editing and genre warring. I just mentioned it in the block reason so that others would know where to look for more information. Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 10:58, 26 January 2014 (UTC)
 * You're right, and you were clear about the block in the user talk message and the block log, I misread. :) Amalthea  13:45, 26 January 2014 (UTC)

— Berean Hunter   (talk)  13:56, 26 January 2014 (UTC)
 * The CU data in the archive is now stale and this report doesn't have the required diffs to merit a CU check on its own. With the account already blocked, I'm not sure if there is anything left to do here.
 * Agree with Berean Hunter; there's nothing here that needs a checkuser investigation. Yunshui 雲 &zwj; 水  14:27, 27 January 2014 (UTC)


 * Closing case per above comments. Mark Arsten (talk) 19:59, 27 January 2014 (UTC)