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18 November 2014

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User:RoyalGurjar - account for block circumvention only, opened instantly after block of puppetmaster. Its contributions consist essentially of an attack on my Talk page and malicious reporting me for edit war with sockmaster.  kashmiri TALK  14:14, 18 November 2014 (UTC)
 * The Gurjar article has long suffered from edit-warring, block evasion and socking. It has been semi'd for ages. The style of writing and the timing on this occasion certainly suggests a sock. - Sitush (talk) 15:09, 18 November 2014 (UTC)

Adding - possibly another attempt of block evasion. Started editing just after logging out as RoyalGurjar, then logged in again. Editing interests are the same as Gurjeshwar. Might need CU to confirm.  kashmiri TALK  23:11, 18 November 2014 (UTC)

Adding : suspected sock of Gurjeshwar created and active only during their first block (14-15 November); same articles as sockmaster and later IP user.  kashmiri TALK  23:18, 18 November 2014 (UTC)

Additionally, per WP:QUACK - same articles, same lousy style, same edit summaries, although a sleeper these days.  kashmiri TALK  23:27, 18 November 2014 (UTC)

Another one:, per WP:QUACK, albeit sleeper: article overlap, lousy editing style, and finally... username.  kashmiri TALK  23:35, 18 November 2014 (UTC)


 * In both articles edited by Rana the warrior, IP picked up where Rana stopped three days earlier, doing identical or nearly identical edits:
 * In Tomara clan:
 * https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Tomara_clan&diff=633916814&oldid=633904231
 * https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Tomara_clan&diff=634368257&oldid=634368082
 * In Baisla:
 * https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Baisla&diff=633902633&oldid=633901316
 * https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Baisla&diff=634367435&oldid=633957931
 * They both have utter disregard for capitalisation and punctuation rules:
 * https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Baisla&diff=633859565&oldid=622252679
 * https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Tomara_clan&diff=634368623&oldid=634368257
 * And both edited only at the time of master's blocks.
 * As to possible connection between IP and the master, it was to be checked by CU if I recall.
 * Hope this clarifies.  kashmiri TALK  01:33, 19 November 2014 (UTC)


 * User:Mukt_ash also belongs to the same farm, although it was blocked by an admin after just 4 edits.  kashmiri TALK  01:31, 20 November 2014 (UTC)

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Please examine also the writers Mr. Sitush and Kashmiri as both are involve in edit war parallely with other users. They are doing same mistakes about 3RR as other writers doing. SO this prove that they are not honest and interested to solve the issue amicably as both have same agenda for 3RR. Now they are both complaining for sock puppet user about me. I become wiki user only after viewing their continuous irrelevant work and if someone wants to discussion and debate on relevant talk page, then do not do debate, but remove / revert the contents and forward the case to administrator. I hope you will be see the matter honestly. Thanks, RoyalGurjar (talk) 18:03, 19 November 2014 (UTC)


 * My original comment seems to have gone astray somewhere. - Sitush (talk) 23:54, 19 November 2014 (UTC)


 * Okay, because admins do not feel like doing the work themselves and push all burden of proof on to the reporting editor, here we go.
 * All the editors mentioned below only edited articles related to the Gurjar caste in India, and all of them introduced the same, biased information which was then reverted by other editors.
 * Sockmaster Gurjeshwar keeps happily editing various Gurjar-related articles, getting into numerous edit wars, receiving warnings, and so on, until.... boom!
 * 13/11/2014 17:24 Gurjeshwar gets blocked for 48 hours as a result of edit war with.
 * 13/11/2014 14:45 John811jd, an account silent for a week, suddenly blanks own talk page and goes to attack Sitush on his talk page. The he then goes on to edit Gurjar-related articles until early evening, receiving several reverts.
 * 14/11/2014 21:21 Rana the warrior is created and instantly goes on to edit two Gurjar-related articles (controversial edits, later reverted). All are mobile edits.
 * 15/11/2014 08:54 It was a shortlived account - Rana saves last edit and goes silent permanently, because at the same moment...
 * 15/11/2014 08:52 John811jd picks up editing Gurjar stuff on computer, and carries on for an hour or so.
 * 15/11/2014 17:24 Sockmaster Gurjeshwar gets unblocked and soon starts editing. All other accounts fall silent.
 * Three days pass.
 * 18/11/2014 11:52 Sockmaster Gurjeshwar, after further edit wars - involving Sitush and myself - gets their second block, this time for a week. Barely an hour later....
 * 18/11/2014 13:11 RoyalGujar account gets registered and the first thing to do is attacking me on my Talk page over edits in Gurjar, and then voicing support to sockmaster on their ANI entry; he then falls silent at 13:50.
 * 18/11/2014 Gurjar-related articles are being disruptively edited by a previously unknown IP editor with the same writing style as sockmaster. They all get reverted.
 * 19/11/2014 05:59 IP editor gets silent and we now see reactivation of John811jd - after four days of his silence. (Disruptive) editing continues until 06:42, then silence until evening (just as on 15/11/2014), when...
 * 19/11/2014 17:44 Evening comes and RoyalGurjar picks up with attacks and disruptive editing. All other accounts remain silent. He continues until I suggest under an ANI report that he is a sock of Gurjeshwar. After an angry response the account falls silent, and has been silent since.

(Response to Bbb23): I believe I answered earlier. Rana edited only when master was under block, so you won't get any overlapping edits. Also, Rana was careful to edit articles untouched by master (but still related to the Gurjar ethnicicty) - it is IP that connects them most clearly. To me, things are pretty obvious even without CU per WP:DUCK (unmissable spelling, punctuation, capitalisation, edit summaries, "Sirs", etc.) and edit timelines: Gurjeshwar's is a large farm with one master and a number of socks ever used only for a day or two on Gurjar-related articles, esp. when there was an edit war (includes also User:John811jd in addition to all the above).  kashmiri TALK  08:57, 19 November 2014 (UTC)


 * Everything looks pretty logical to me. The only issue I have is with the IP editor who quacks exactly the same and edits the same articles, and gets reverted the same, but overlaps with other socks if editing time is concerned. This I believe is likely a browser window in incognito mode but a CU could confirm/exclude this suspicion.
 * Regards, <span style="font-family:'Candara',sans-serif;"> kashmiri <sup style="color:#80F;">TALK  20:43, 20 November 2014 (UTC)

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. Despite the few edits, this is probably obvious enough for me to block without a CU, but there's a slim chance they know each other but are not the same person. If the puppet continues to be disruptive (their last edit was at 13:50, a few hours ago), I may block without waiting for the CU. I'm also mildly interested in sleepers in case the puppet thinks they've been caught and the user creates yet another account.--Bbb23 (talk) 17:44, 18 November 2014 (UTC)
 * When I endorsed the CU, the only puppet was RoyalGurjar. The only account to be possibly added to the CU is Rana the warrior. The other two new named accounts are stale, and the IP is irrelevant to the CU. That said, I think there's less evidence presented of a connection between Rana and the master. I would therefore ask either or  for actual diffs connecting them. It's not good enough to connect Rana to the IP unless you can then connect the IP to the master. But there has to be either a direct or indirect connection, particularly given the fact that Rana has edited only two articles and made only five edits.--Bbb23 (talk) 01:13, 19 November 2014 (UTC)
 * as I attempted to make clear in my request, you need diffs showing a connection between Rana and the master, not the IP, unless you can also show a connection between the IP and the master. A CU will not normally check the IP, so that won't help you.--Bbb23 (talk) 05:32, 19 November 2014 (UTC)


 * It's that  and  are socks of, however the determination as to whether this is actual socking or MEAT will need to made based on behaviour.-- Jezebel's Ponyo bons mots  18:17, 19 November 2014 (UTC)
 * I've indeffed and tagged RoyalGurjar. I've added two weeks (from now) to the master's block. I've taken no other action as the evidence presented is insufficient. Closing.--Bbb23 (talk) 01:30, 21 November 2014 (UTC)

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Clear cut intersection of last edits. Winged Blades Godric 05:57, 22 November 2017 (UTC)

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 * - This is obvious enough to not require CU attention. Please block the new sock indefinitely. Sir Sputnik (talk) 16:56, 22 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Sock .  please tag the master as needed. TonyBallioni (talk) 19:25, 22 November 2017 (UTC)