Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/GustavusPrimus/Archive

Report date April 24 2009, 22:42 (UTC)

 * Suspected sockpuppets

Following the contributions and edits of GustavusPrimus and MarkChase (| GustavusPrimus contributions, | MarkChase contributions), it appears both users have only two interests on wiki: promotion of Aset Ka material and removal of any references related to Michelle Belanger.
 * Evidence submitted by SiIIyLiIIyPiIIy (talk)

GustavusPrimus first edits stated in May of 2008 with adding references to Aset Ka to Energy_vampire, Vampire_lifestyle, Ankh, and Vampire_literature. Updating them or reinstating them as needed. He participated in a deletion discussion on a wiki entry on Aset Ka, arguing at length for its inclusion, and in one for Michelle Belanger, arguing heavily for its removal. He continued to be a presence on wiki advocating for the inclusion of Aset Ka material and removal of references to Michelle Belanger through March of 2009. He appears to have quit participating in wiki since.

MarkChase first edits was in June 2008, adding Aset Ka material to Requested articles/Philosophy. His next series of edits were in November 2008, also promoting Aset Ka material Ankh, Energy_vampire, and Vampire_lifestyle, as well as participating the delete discussion on the Michelle Belanger entry as GustavusPrimus, also arguing for it's deletion. He dropped off wiki until April 2009, where his focus has been to delete any possible references to Michelle Belanger.

Their contribution histories are very similar. Their focus has been to include material not notable for inclusion and use accusations of promotion to stifle discussion. Neither has attempted to participate in wiki in any other manner. It appears as though one picks up where the other leaves off.--SiIIyLiIIyPiIIy (talk) 22:42, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

All the material that I have added in relation to the contents in Ankh, Energy Vampire and Vampire Lifestyle connected with Aset Ka were references that were requested in the articles. Never promotional, but only sources that I could find using google. I did make a request for an article in Requested articles/Philosophy, given that the referred book was mentioned in several articles and thought that an article stub over that book would benefit those same articles and Wikipedia in content. If I was doing any form of publicity I would have created the article myself, which I did not, precisely by the lack of expertise over the subject. The removal of Michelle Belanger content is enforced by the Wikipedia community decision that can be found in Articles_for_deletion/Michelle_Belanger. I am being accused in a personal attack simply because I kept a watch on the promotional content that User:SiIIyLiIIyPiIIy added over and over even after being warned by admins. User:SiIIyLiIIyPiIIy is the one being suspected of sock-puppetry by several editors and admins (check his contribution log and comments by other editors), having already a history of being banned precisely for disruptive editing and self-promotion, which can be found in his records. Removing his promotional edits about Michelle Belanger and enforcing Wikipedia's community decision has nothing disruptive about it. This is only a personal attack given my persistence in preventing this user's self-promotion. MarkChase (talk) 23:47, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
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 * This is pretty suggestive but not so conclusive as to be a duck block. Includes edit warring, vote stacking in a closed deletion discussion. (Also note that the targeted accounts accuse the reporting account and others of being sock/meatpuppets). Nathan  T (formerly Avruch) 22:57, 24 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Conclusions
 * ✅. Also .  &mdash; Coren (talk) 04:13, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Please tag and archive. (blocks done by Coren).——  nix eagle email me 15:30, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

Report date May 13 2009, 21:37 (UTC)

 * Suspected sockpuppets




 * Evidence submitted by Ebonyskye

User is suspected of being a sockpuppet or meatpuppet or single use account created to stack the vote on discussions specifically targeted at the deletion of all material regarding Michelle Belanger. Ebonyskye (talk) 21:37, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
 * user has new account but seems very well-versed in editing procedures and AFD discussions after only a day of editing.
 * user edited after logging out and IP points to Portugal, the same country as previous sockpuppets were thought to originate.
 * other socks for the Afd discussions were proven to be User:GustavusPrimus and User:MarkChase here at the previous checkuser Sockpuppet_investigations/GustavusPrimus/Archive also User:Cristina_Torres shown here:, found to be stacking votes for Afd Articles_for_deletion/Michelle_Belanger.
 * The 3 proven sock accounts all point to a vanity press publisher called "AsetKa" which is located in Portugal, and seems to be directly opposed to articles on Michelle Belanger Articles_for_deletion/Michelle_Belanger_(2nd_nomination), and like those 3, this new user edits the same way with the same target for Afd.

This accusation is obviously unfounded. There is no vote stacking. , and none of the mentioned accounts participated in this AfD. Adding to that, there were recently two DRVs on the referred article, and I did not participate or took a stance in any. At the last AfD I decided to take an active stance and !vote. I have nothing against this particular individual, however I do have a personal dislike for promotional content and abuse of this encyclopedic project as a platform for free publicity. My contributions at several other AfDs and DRVs reflect precisely that, before and after any interaction with Michelle Belanger's article. I honestly see no grounds for this accusation of SPA and sockpuppetry, when my contributions are hardly exclusive of the subject I am being accused to demonstrate COI upon.  Diana LeCrois    : 18:44, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
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Icestorm815 •  Talk  19:35, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Clerk, patrolling admin and checkuser comments

✅: ❌: Someone likes Grey's Anatomy. All we need now is Meredith Karev, or something. --Deskana, Champion of the Frozen Wastes 20:02, 17 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Conclusions
 *  Syn  ergy 20:23, 17 May 2009 (UTC)