Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Gutterbrothers/Archive

Report date April 18 2009, 20:56 (UTC)

 * Suspected sockpuppets

Gibnews appears to have resorted to another user account to continue a disagreement on the Gibraltar article and to contribute to the discussion on the talk page. Note this new account was created and the very first edit was to make this reversion. The same reversion that Gibnews was making a couple of hours earlier.


 * 04:42, 18 April 2009 Gibnews "restore important content removed"
 * 07:33, 18 April 2009 Gibnews "Please have the courtesy to discuss before edit warring"
 * 11:41, 18 April 2009 Gutterbrothers "restore deleted important event"

Note the similarity of the language ("restore..important.."), and also Gutterbrothers' familiarity with what one might say are Wikipedia "non-beginner" features such as the WP:POINT page and how to hyperlink with alternative text.

Gibnews is a long-time editor and knows very well the rules about 3RR (he has been blocked twice before).

I am also requesting a checkuser as Gibnews is denying that it is him, so the only way it will be settled is with a checkuser. If both IPs emanate from Gibraltar, that would be pretty conclusive evidence that it is either a sock or a meatpuppet.


 * Evidence submitted by The Red Hat of Pat Ferrick t


 * Comments by accused parties    See Defending yourself against claims.

This is nonsense, The Red Hat of Pat Ferrick  deleted an significant item on the Gibraltar page and commented that he expected a reaction from me.

He is making false accusations of sockpuppetry to further his trolling. I have no idea who 'Gutterbrothers' is but its not me! There would have been no need for me to revert his vandalism again, as there are plenty of other editors who feel the same way, which the The talk page shows. --Gibnews (talk) 13:35, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

I found this page by looking at TRHOPF's contibs tab it would have been nice to have got PM about it. Is I said elsewhere I'm pretty certain that I'm not GibNews. I looked at TRHOPF's 'talk' page and he seem a rather arrogant and intolerant individual who loves to throw accusations about. He also has decided to revert some of my other edits either without explanation or with the rather rude 'Learn to Spell' when correcting a minor (one letter) typo. The quote on his page seems to sum him up pretty well "the encyclopaedia that anyone can edit, but that not everyone should." hardly in the spirit of Wiki Gutterbrothers (talk) 14:38, 19 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Comments by other users

I thought the additional information that the RHOPF and Gibnews have a long history of antagonism toward one another would be helpful. Justin talk 19:45, 19 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Can't say I was aware of that, Red Hand seems on the basis of a day's acquaintance to be a classic internet Troll/'hardman', Gibnews might be rather over protective of the Gib article. Gutterbrothers (talk) 19:49, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

Requested by The Red Hat of Pat Ferrick t 12:26, 19 April 2009 (UTC)
 * CheckUser requests


 * Clerk, patrolling admin and checkuser comments

Endorsed for a CU check. Also note there is a history of socking in this area, see. Nathan  T (formerly Avruch) 19:33, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

Linked accounts don't appear to have violated the SOCK policy. User is advised to select a single account and consolidate editing under that name. Nathan  T (formerly Avruch) 02:53, 20 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Conclusions

❌. However, it is ✅ that the following users are the same:

--Deskana, Champion of the Frozen Wastes 21:09, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

Report date April 20 2009, 22:21 (UTC)

 * Suspected sockpuppets

Definitely something fishy going on at Gibraltar.

We had a newly registered user (Gutterbrothers) getting involved in a disagreement between me and Gibnews. I wrongly (according to the checkuser - I am still suspicious of meatpuppetry) thought Gibnews was Gutterbrothers. But the checkuser revealed Gutterbrothers to be operating several accounts

We now see a new user, Tragino, with a similar interest in military articles to all the accounts operated by Gutterbrothers, now post on the article talk page alongside Gutterbrothers, also wrongly calling me "Red Hand".


 * Gutterbrothers refers to my user name as "Red Hand" in the edit commentary
 * Tragino refers to me as "Red Hand" in the middle of a rant

Pretty unlikely two completely different editors with exactly the same interest list and exactly the same arrival time at the Gibraltar talk page would both accidentally mistype my username in the same way.

I contend that Gutterbrothers is operating more than one account with a view to swinging the talk page debate.

Gutterbrothers makes case Trajino makes same case


 * Evidence submitted by The Red Hat of Pat Ferrick t


 * Comments by accused parties    See Defending yourself against claims.


 * Comments by other users

Requested by The Red Hat of Pat Ferrick t 22:21, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
 * CheckUser requests

Given the edit history of Tragino, the CU run two days ago would have shown any link. Mayalld (talk) 08:16, 21 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Clerk, patrolling admin and checkuser comments

a CU was run two days ago, and didn't show this account (which was editing then). As such, this is very unlikely to be socking Mayalld (talk) 08:16, 21 April 2009 (UTC) Mayalld (talk) 08:16, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Conclusions