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 * Per WP:OBSART, added his own user name to an AFC submission for Draft:Syriac (Aramean) Federation of Sweden (1), which  had fought to preserve (2 3).
 * Per WP:CONNECT, restored 's original edit to Arameans (1), and defends it vehemently (2 3 4 5). Per WP:ALWAYS,  popped out of the blue to express his support for 's position in the first RFC on  Talk:Arameans (6). Per WP:SIM,  &  demonstrate the same edits as  by removing "Assyrian" from articles (: 7 8 9 10; : 11 12 13 14; : 15 16 17).
 * , which has admitted was his account, edited only on Talk:Arameans, where  had been arguing in early August (Talk:Arameans). 's original account also began editing at the same time as 's block on 11 August .  has also restored 's original edit to Arameans (1). Mugsalot (talk) 21:45, 1 September 2020 (UTC)

Optra2020
I would like admins to check my IP-address to prove I am not any of the above mentioned users. Mugsalot reverted the article, while a RFC-discussion was still opened, and not closed yet or any decisions made by neutral admins.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Dispute_resolution_noticeboard#Arameans RFC-closed at 5pm

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Arameans&diff=975449265&oldid=975448256 reverted at 3:40pm by Mugsalot, while RFC was still opened — Preceding unsigned comment added by Optra2021 (talk • contribs) 01:49, 2 September 2020 (UTC)

Mugsalot is POV-editing various Wikipedia articles by changing and falsfying content. He changed the original book title from "Arameans and the Making of 'Assyrians'" to "'Assyrians and the Making of 'Arameans'". He is involved in edit wars.

https://books.google.de/books?id=9cDyswEACAAJ&dq=johny+messo+Assyrianss&hl=de&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiNiayqiMnrAhUILewKHU_JC0MQ6AEwAHoECAMQAQ

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Johny_Messo&diff=935120057&oldid=908926034

I already stated Optra2020 to be my old account, I never used it to edit any Wikipedia articles other than joining the discussion in August to prevent showing my IP-address to the public. I unfortunately forgot my password and asked admins to delete my old account, if possible. It was never used at the same time with my current account! Sockpuppetry involves hiding your identity behind various different account names, right? Wouldn't it be stupid, if I use the obvious same account name, if I have to hide something?

Now he is trying to accuse everyone for sockpuppetry to get rid of users who are not in line with his political biased propaganda. If you need any further Information, how to prove myself not being a sockpuppet, please let me know.--Optra2021 (talk) 23:13, 1 September 2020 (UTC)
 * You are aware other users have suspicions that you are a sockpuppet (1 2 3), and I have been outright asked by an admin to report this (4). Mugsalot (talk) 10:58, 2 September 2020 (UTC)

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 * holy sockpuppets, Batman - that's a lot of socks in the page history! I agree that MixedButHumann, Assyrian779, and H0llande seem to be working together. I am somewhat less confident of Optra2020/Optra2021, but it is possible from a behavioral perspective that they're related as well. Of course, it's separately possible that some kind of off-wiki canvassing is afoot here that led to a bunch of brand-new editors jumping into this RfC. I know that Assyrian779 is marked as (who is tagged as a sock of a sock ... of ), but could we get a double check that these are two separate sockmasters? There's a surprising amount of overlap between them (for example, both show up at Draft:Syriac_(Aramean)_Federation_of_Sweden). CU endorsed to compare the accounts I've mentioned and also do the double-check against Adam.Izgin (most recent socks are Aram-Israel and Assyrian779). GeneralNotability (talk) 20:26, 3 September 2020 (UTC)
 * - Mz7 (talk) 06:41, 6 September 2020 (UTC)
 * H0llande is ✅ to MixedButHumann, as well as the following accounts (which were already blocked, but noting for the record):
 * Optra2021 is ❌. Assyrian779 is indeed ✅ to Aram-Israel, but is ❌ to MixedButHumann. The tagging situation with Aram-Israel is indeed peculiar—simplest solution seems to be retagging all of the socks of socks under Adam.Izgin. Mz7 (talk) 06:56, 6 September 2020 (UTC)
 * H0llande . Please move this case under H0llande (the oldest account), and retag, , and  as sockpuppets of H0llande. Thanks, Mz7 (talk) 07:01, 6 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Case moved & H0llande socks tagged., before I dig in to the other retagging, checking that Assyrian779, Aram-Israel, Adam.Izgin & their socks are to be retagged under Amerikanhistorylover? Cabayi (talk) 12:49, 6 September 2020 (UTC)
 * , hmm, I think the simplest solution is to retag Assyrian779, Aram-Israel, and Amerikanhistorylover as socks of Adam.Izgin, the oldest account. Mz7 (talk) 17:17, 6 September 2020 (UTC)
 * , that implies moving Sockpuppet investigations/Amerikanhistorylover back to Sockpuppet investigations/Adam.Izgin despite Amerikanhistorylover being 2 months older? Cabayi (talk) 20:12, 6 September 2020 (UTC)
 * , ok I see - I missed that Amerikanhistorylover was older than Adam.Izgin. Retag them all under Amerikanhistorylover, then. Or do whatever you think is right. Mz7 (talk) 20:18, 6 September 2020 (UTC)
 * All the Adam.Izgin socks have been retagged for Amerikanhistorylover. Nothing more to do. Closing. Cabayi (talk) 16:17, 8 September 2020 (UTC)
 * , ok I see - I missed that Amerikanhistorylover was older than Adam.Izgin. Retag them all under Amerikanhistorylover, then. Or do whatever you think is right. Mz7 (talk) 20:18, 6 September 2020 (UTC)
 * All the Adam.Izgin socks have been retagged for Amerikanhistorylover. Nothing more to do. Closing. Cabayi (talk) 16:17, 8 September 2020 (UTC)

Suspected sockpuppets



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The user's account was created on 7 September 2020, the day after was blocked. This user has immediately restored the content added by the sockpuppet at Arameans (1), see the latter's original edit (2). Mugsalot (talk) 21:39, 7 September 2020 (UTC)

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 * I appologize if I mess anything of the previous SPI up, but ✅:
 * -- Amanda  (aka DQ) 09:20, 8 September 2020 (UTC)
 * -- Amanda  (aka DQ) 09:20, 8 September 2020 (UTC)
 * -- Amanda  (aka DQ) 09:20, 8 September 2020 (UTC)
 * -- Amanda  (aka DQ) 09:20, 8 September 2020 (UTC)
 * -- Amanda  (aka DQ) 09:20, 8 September 2020 (UTC)
 * -- Amanda  (aka DQ) 09:20, 8 September 2020 (UTC)
 * -- Amanda  (aka DQ) 09:20, 8 September 2020 (UTC)


 * I've the two unblocked sockpuppets. Dreamy Jazz talk to me &#124; my contributions 11:36, 8 September 2020 (UTC)
 * I think we're done here. Closing. GeneralNotability (talk) 16:21, 8 September 2020 (UTC)

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Edits and a CU check suggest the connection (rather than with User:Amerikanhistorylover, for instance), but I need someone else to look at this. Thx. Drmies (talk) 15:28, 10 September 2020 (UTC)

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 * OK a range check confirmed the suspicion, and yet I'd like another CU familiar with the case to look at the range I checked, to see if there are accounts there that need blocking. It's busy, so I can't place a hard block. Drmies (talk) 15:36, 10 September 2020 (UTC)


 * - setting the flag so Drmies request gets acted on. Cabayi (talk) 16:39, 10 September 2020 (UTC)
 * It's H0llande/MixedButHumann for sure. --  Amanda  (aka DQ) 22:30, 11 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Tagged Vullc4n0 -- RoySmith (talk) 04:23, 12 September 2020 (UTC)

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User immediately returned to Arameans to advocate their agenda. All contributions support the same activity as previous sockpuppets, notably this edit. Mugsalot (talk) 19:40, 5 November 2020 (UTC)

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It seems like user Mugsalot gets everyone against his POV blocked by nominating them as a sockpuppetry.Kikkererwtje (talk) 20:10, 5 November 2020 (UTC)
 * I ask the moderators to check my IP-adresses to see that I am not a sockpuppet and don't have any other accounts on Wikipedia or ever used.

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 * CU makes this very and that plus the behaviour is enough for me to block and tag. Closing. Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 08:20, 7 November 2020 (UTC)

Suspected sockpuppets



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Possible new sock of H0llande. Similar disruptive edits. Last sock was reported in November 2020, this account's first edit was in Januari 2021.

This edit is very similar to many earlier socks 1 2. Edit and discussion pattern similar.


 * Similar edit summaries 4 5. Shmayo (talk) 07:20, 30 April 2021 (UTC)


 * Pushing for the exact same name change with same type of argument as another sock of H0llande: 6 7 8. Shmayo (talk) 14:21, 20 May 2021 (UTC)

Another possible sockmaster is Amerikanhistorylover (similar edit: 3). Shmayo (talk) 10:14, 24 April 2021 (UTC)

Other possible sockmasters: Suryoyutho Optra2021. Shmayo (talk) 12:58, 24 April 2021 (UTC)

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I think all these POV edits (since 2015) must be enough to get this user away from Wikipedia and withdraw his rights to edit any further articles in the future. Reldex (talk) 18:21, 3 May 2021 (UTC)
 * I'm ok with this investigation. I'm not a sockpuppet, however I'm noticing that this user (Shmayo) together with (Mugsalot) revert all Syriac/Aramean information on Assyrian-related topics when it doesn't fit into their POV (probably?) Examples of Shmayo removing (sourced) Aramean content without any given summary:, , , , , , ,.
 * Hi Oshwah, I can guarantee you that I am not a sockpuppet. All content that I place on Wikipedia is sourced. However I am noticing that the user who started this investigation is most probably carrying out a POV on Wikipedia. Please see my comment above with all the diffs also. Reldex (talk) 18:58, 23 May 2021 (UTC)

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 * . Same country, but different geolocations and ranges. That's all that I can give you, unfortunately...  ~Oshwah~  (talk) (contribs)   14:38, 20 May 2021 (UTC)


 * This is a topic area where people have strong feelings, so it's not surprising multiple editors share the same opinion. I'm not seeing enough similarity to call this socking with nothing better than "possible" from CU. -- RoySmith (talk) 16:27, 17 July 2021 (UTC)