Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Habeshan negus/Archive

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Amdetsion the conqueror is a new account that has turned up at Talk:Amhara people after Habeshan negus was blocked for edit warring (although admittedly the block has expired). Compare this post with this post and this edit summary (e.g. use of ellipses and the lack of spaces after commas). Cordless Larry (talk) 10:58, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

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 * This is obvious enough to not require CU attention. . Sir Sputnik (talk) 00:02, 1 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Added tag for the master. -- RoySmith (talk) 18:59, 2 November 2020 (UTC)
 * I've removed that tag again. I did not block the master account indefinitely. Sir Sputnik (talk) 03:53, 3 November 2020 (UTC)

Suspected sockpuppets



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 * 1) See Talk:Amhara people where an editor assumes that IP 86.89.46.70 is identical to Habeshan negus, three weeks ago sock-puppet blocked, see Sockpuppet investigations/Habeshan negus/Archive and
 * 2) Three years ago, IP 86.89.46.70 was identified with GabiloveAdol, see:
 * 3) * Administrators' noticeboard/IncidentArchive944
 * 4) * Sockpuppet investigations/GabiloveAdol/Archive
 * 5) All three, that is, the two user accounts (Habeshan negus, GabiloveAdol) and the IP (86.89.46.70), seem to have the same SPA purpose to push some POV relating to Ethiopian people (Amhara people, Habesha peoples). In that respect:
 * 6) * This exact SPA topic is constant for the IP, even when looking further back than the 2017 GabiloveAdol episode: seems like a fixed IP (see also #4 below), not an IP that changes, over time, to various KPN editors
 * 7) * After being dormant for two years, the 86.89.46.70 account became active again 13 November 2020 (see contributions), and after some edits to other articles, jumped to the Amhara people/Habesha peoples set.
 * 8) * These Ethiopian people related articles are regular targets for some other sock-puppet blocked accounts (see e.g. Sockpuppet investigations/Hoaeter/Archive)
 * 9) 86.89.46.70 is also listed at WikiProject Spam/LinkReports/epicworldhistory.blogspot.nl: pinging  as I don't know exactly what listing on that spam page entails (do they have to declare a COI? Can all of their mainspace edits summarily be reverted as spam? Can they summarily be blocked as spammers?). Anyhow, that spam report links 86.89.46.70 to the Amhara people article since 2016. Francis Schonken (talk) 12:20, 23 November 2020 (UTC)

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 * (Passerby comment) I agree that this is fairly DUCKish. There's the topical focus, general demeanor and the linguistic similarities like occasionally inconsistent spacing before commas and other punctuation marks (e.g. 1, 2, 3, 4). Gabilove and Habeshan also like using "&" in place of "and" (1, 2, 3) etc. Additionally, Gabilove has also previously stated that 86.89.46.70 (which is almost definitely static, see also hostname) is their IP. However, I'm not sure what a CU check would achieve here – Gabilove hasn't edited in 3 years, and Checkusers can't associate named accounts with IPs. Blablubbs (talk • contribs) 13:32, 23 November 2020 (UTC)

Clerk, CheckUser, and/or patrolling admin comments

 * first, there is no overlap with user:Til Eulenspiegel here, right (?
 * Regarding the IP, the appearance in that report means that that IP did add that specific domain at the time given, as did the other three (obviously, that is the data at the time of saving). Seen the edits on this 86.-IP it seems that this is a rather static IP, and that that IP was already with this specific person since 2014 (at least, seen the subjects the IP is editing).  That is a time before the addition of this link.  Whether the other three IPs are the same person or someone else who stumbled across the domain is a matter of evaluation: it is 'blogspot.nl', which suggests some link with Dutch language for all 4 of them (coincidence?), the IPv6 and the 179.-IP seem related, and that edit looks similar to the 86.-IP edit.  But there is 3 years of difference.  The fourth IP looks completely unrelated to the other three.  (I guess you have to see it as that these 4 IPs added a somewhat more obscure blogspot (being .nl) than usual, which puts them into a bucket where the chance of it being a coincidence of them finding that link is a bit lower, and the chance of them being the same person is a bit higher than when this would have been a blogspot.com (higher chance it is a coincidence, lower chance it is just one person)).  --Dirk Beetstra T  C 14:10, 23 November 2020 (UTC)


 * At this point I'm going to close with no action. I don't believe that there's enough evidence to conclusively connect Habeshan negus to GabiloveAdol or the IP. Even if GabiloveAdol and Habeshan negus were the same person I can't see that there would have been an abuse of multiple accounts worthy of a block. Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 03:45, 4 January 2021 (UTC)

Suspected sockpuppets



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 * There was a previous SPI in October and November 2020 that confirmed User:Amdetsion the conqueror to be a sockpuppet of Habeshan Negus, so there is a history with this editor. They were then blocked for three days.
 * The account for User:Dawit S Gondaria was created in January 2021, but remained dormant until April 2021, when the editor started editing Amhara-related pages.
 * On June 20,2021, DSG blanked a large section from the article Amhara people in this diff. This is a duplicate of the action of Habeshan negus from February 28 - the same material was blanked, with almost the same reasoning.
 * There are some behavioral parallels between the two users, such as very wordy edit summaries with references to several Wikipedia policies, as in the above two diffs, early threats regarding drastic Wikipedia measures (Habeshan negus, DSG, and unveiled expressions of bad faith against other editors and admins (see this about an edit of Habeshan negus that an admin felt he had to expunge, and this edit by DSG).
 * Similar command of the English language, with similar tendency to misplace punctuation marks, and similar tendency to ask loaded questions and to use accusatory language, as all should be clear from the examples shown so far.
 * The previous SPI suggested a link between the IP 86.89.46.70, Habeshan negus and a previous editor User:GabiloveAdol. The IP jumped into the Amhara people discussion after Habeshan negus was blocked for sockpuppetry, using the same kind of rhetoric ("fringe theory") as seen with Habeshan negus and DSG. When asked, the IP denied being another instantiation of Habeshan negus, but has previously admitted to being GabiloveAdol. According to a commenting admin on the previous SPI, this GabiloveAdol in 2017 several times placed links to Dutch pages on Amhara related pages, which is exactly what DSG did here when attempting to place a source. I see this as a further indication concerning a link between these editors.
 * The IP signed this talk page entry with "Thank you Dawit". LandLing 20:56, 29 June 2021 (UTC)

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 * Very similar language here to here. Cordless Larry (talk) 21:42, 29 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Also between the IP and Habeshan negus. Cordless Larry (talk) 21:51, 29 June 2021 (UTC)


 * I am not Habeshan Negus, nor do i have any other Wikipedia accounts, this is the sole Wikipedia account i created for the first time. I didn't have time to edit for months, because i actually have a life. Good day Dawit S Gondaria (talk) 02:38, 30 June 2021 (UTC)


 * Disclose, that is my IP. This is our home, Gabriella(GabiloveAdol) is my sister, and she has a life too and is never on Wikipedia. As far as i know i'm the only using Wikipedia occasionely in my household. We don't know Habeshan Negus. The only thing we probably in common with this Habeshan Negus is Amhara ethnicity, since we pointed out that provocative minority fringe theory that we somehow don't exist. Dawit S Gondaria (talk) 03:57, 30 June 2021 (UTC)
 * This is a reasonable explanation of the facts stated above, linking you in a legitimate way to the IP, that you only used before creating the DSC account. I'd still like to continue investigation into the connection between DSC and Habeshan negus. The similarities in language, purpose, and behavior are still very strong. LandLing 06:57, 30 June 2021 (UTC)
 * , I'm disappointed to learn that, after the recent discussion at Administrators' noticeboard/IncidentArchive1070, which resulted in you receiving the advice at User talk:Dawit S Gondaria from, it turns out that you'd already been warned (and blocked once) for your behaviour at Amhara people (see User talk:86.89.46.70). Cordless Larry (talk) 08:03, 30 June 2021 (UTC)
 * After receiving the information that before creating his account in January Dawit used his household's static IP, I'm inclined to believe that he is in fact not a sock of Habeshan negus. Looking at the IP's edits in November, such as this, where he reverted himself because of mistakes in placing the post, and his non-canonical way to sign his posts, it becomes clear that Dawit at that time was way less experienced as an editor than Habeshan negus would have been. Of course this could have been deliberate deception to mask the new sock, but I think that to be unlikely. : that block was from 2014 and was probably invoked against edits of the sister. LandLing 12:12, 30 June 2021 (UTC)


 * Cordless Larry I didn't knew wikipedia existed in 2014. I'm also dissapointed admin Larry, dissapointed that you are opposed to organizing the mess @ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amhara_people#Nature_of_Amhara_ethnicity according to the different views, but you don't care, so neither do i care what you say Larry. Warning: There's a highly provocative content @ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amhara_people#Nature_of_Amhara_ethnicity about a ethnic group, ranging from Herrenvolk and Amhara don't exist. There are millions of Amharas worldwide, do not be surprised offended people will try to remove it now and in the future. Wikipedia is lucky, Ethiopia doesn't have widespread internet usage yet, it will be a 24 hour job in the future for you admins reverting the fringe content. Dawit S Gondaria (talk) 14:54, 30 June 2021 (UTC)

Clerk, CheckUser, and/or patrolling admin comments

 * I don't see the behavioral cues claimed by the filer between the two named accounts. I'm not talking about the POV, but about edit summaries, language, etc. Therefore, I'm closing for insufficient evidence. Bbb23 (talk) 00:07, 15 July 2021 (UTC)