Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Haldir Marchwarden/Archive

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Brand new user posts on the talk page of another user blocked for edit warring within less than an hour of account creation, offering moral support,. Like the blocked user Haldir Marchwarden, this new user has shown an interest in the topic of Sogdia, and has also voted in an RfC started by Haldir at talk:Avicenna,. Ermenrich (talk) 13:58, 19 September 2021 (UTC)

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''Accused parties may also comment/discuss in this section below. See Defending yourself against claims.''
 * Voting against in the RFC-in-question, can be a method to 'throw off' suspicion. But anyways, it's not my decision. PS:, I sincerely hope you're correct. GoodDay (talk) 15:51, 19 September 2021 (UTC)


 * Look at the substance of this contribution. They actually support Haldir's position, while claiming to be opposed to the proposed inclusion. It's an each-way bet that would still result in Haldir being successful. It's all just a little too clever.
 * Also, the immediate knowledge of lesser-used templates like so that Haldir's antagonist there didn't get a notification of an unusual contribution that might raise red flags.
 * Also, this edit which undid Haldir's (without specifically saying they were undoing Haldir's edit) days after WP:UNDUE was brought to Haldir's attention in a different discussion.
 * If this isn't a sock-puppet, someone is erecting a WP:DUCK statue in the centre of town and asking everyone to come and have a look.  St ★ lwart 1 1 1 00:14, 20 September 2021 (UTC)

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If anything, the evidence demonstrates that the new user is not a sock of Haldir. First, regardless of the "moral support", the new user voted the opposite of Haldir at the RfC. Second, the two users' writing styles are very different. Haldir's is relatively fluent and indicates a reasonable knowledge of English, whereas the new user's English is poor. I agree that the new user's interest in the RfC and talking to Haldir is suspicious, but doesn't mean they are connected.--Bbb23 (talk) 15:27, 19 September 2021 (UTC)
 * ✅ as well as . I've indef blocked and tagged the two socks and blocked Haldir for 1 month. Closing. Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 05:21, 20 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Callanecc, I just wish to note for the record that the exceptional leniency in which you've been treating disruptive accounts lately ( of a certain stripe it seems ) totally confounds me. El_C 10:54, 20 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Blocked are cheap and socking by itself, IMHO, shouldn't lead to an indef block the first time an editor is blocked for it assuming it's not long-term or the actions taken by a sock are worthy of an indef. Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 10:56, 20 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Blocks are indeed cheap, harassment not so much. I've lost a lot of faith here, I'm sorry to say. El_C 11:00, 20 September 2021 (UTC)
 * I was just coming back to add (and edit conflicted with you) that I had occasion recently to wonder recently whether I'd become somewhat jaded in my growing age as an admin and CU and was too eager to hand out indef blocks as a first step. I'll take this as an indication that that isn't the case and I've swung too far the other way. Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 11:03, 20 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Callanecc, if a user engages in repeated personal attacks, and also hounding, and even harassment outright, might I submit that a 24 hour block for edit warring is a subpar response...? Then adding socking to the mix (with multiple accounts!) and responding to that with a one month block, is even more troubling to me. El_C 11:09, 20 September 2021 (UTC)
 * I looked at the ANI report before I did the 24 hour edit warring block (which I'd found from a bot report) and didn't see a pressing need to close the ANI discussion at that point (which was still ongoing at that point and had admins involved) given the editor was blocked. The sock block was just that, a block for sockpuppetry, not the other issues which are still being discussed at ANI. Those issues can and should be dealt with in that ongoing discussion. Having said that, I agree that an indef block would be appropriate and will comment in the ANI thread shortly. Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 11:20, 20 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Callanecc, this artificial separation of disruptive acts is the key problem here. Note that I defended you even with these exact reservations already in mind (diff), but with this one month block you've taken this artificial separation to a whole new level, I feel. But, okay, ANI it is (I've reopened the closed Socking subsection about 20 minutes ago, anyway). El_C 11:27, 20 September 2021 (UTC)

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was indef blocked about a week ago. They were edit-warring at Muhammad Ali of Egypt and the Muhammad Ali dynasty. is a new account (created September 25) which picked up where Haldir stopped with the same focus on "proving" that Muhammad Ali was Kurdish. Haldir called the content he removed Albanian lies and dictatorship and Mohamed Ali calls it Albanian Propaganda. Maleschreiber (talk) 22:37, 26 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Without getting into details, is it possible that this IP is used as a proxy?--Maleschreiber (talk) 22:51, 26 September 2021 (UTC)

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''Accused parties may also comment/discuss in this section below. See Defending yourself against claims.'' Did you just accuse me of something that can get me banned just for standing against your fake claims, I saw the edit history, and you also accused the editor before me just for having a different opinion, we already discussed the matter of Mohamed Ali origins with the administration and the discussion ended so please stop editing the page and adding Albania for no reason and with no good sources. Maybe the reason me and other editors are trying to remove the claim you support with no good sources is because what we are trying to remove is false and unbelievable for the most. move on please Mohamed Ali Pasha (talk) 23:05, 26 September 2021 (UTC)

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 * ❌. Closing. TonyBallioni (talk) 22:47, 26 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Maleschreiber, no. They're on different continents with different devices using established ISPs that aren't proxies. TonyBallioni (talk) 22:52, 26 September 2021 (UTC)