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18 March 2014

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I have come to believe that Hans Franssen is using the newly created user Heroasawhole as a sockpuppet. Heroasawhole made only 9 contributions to Wikipedia and his first was a voted support of an AfD nomination of Egyptian Revolution of 2013, a case both users share the very same views about (deleting and renaming the article at the same time), as well as their mutual belief that this article is a threat to the credibility of Wikipedia. I personally knew somehow that Heroasawhole was Hans Franssen's sock right after their first contribution, but i thought i should wait till they make another edit to confirm it and open the investigation. I also noticed this through the contributions of both users who appeared to have created their accounts specifically for this article. I hope the investigating admin(s) would pay attention to the following points while observing the links provided:
 * 1. Both users have made the exact same accusations against me, because in their opinion i'm the only one who's currently defending the existence of this article with arguments they view as irrelevant. Such accusations are based on the exact same arguments that the users defending the article are Egyptian and that the page was created months after the events took place, as well as denouncing the sources used in the article as unreliable (Hans Franssen   / Heroasawhole )
 * 2. Both users attempted to sugar-wash their accusations using the same apologies with claims such as "Sorry for making it personal", and most of their statements are between brackets:
 * " Fitzcarmalan (talk), going back and forth like this would increase the debates without reaching an agreement, I appologize if you feel it personal while i did not mean that, i simply wanted to say "I got confused"." Hans Franssen
 * "You are heavily defending and arguing with everyone who propose deletion (I do not mean any personal thing here, i am just describing the behavior i see)" Hans Franssen
 * "also only one Wikipedia editor - Fitzcarmalan (talk) - who is heavily editing, defending and writing this article. i noticed that he is cutting-paste/removing from Coup article to support his revolution article (Apologize again for making it personal, but if anybody review the history, will find that Fitzcarmalan (talk) is the big - if not only one - who managing the article and contributing to it) this raise the doubts about this article more and more" Hans Franssen
 * "the creator was Egyptian, article created after 6 month of the events. the people who argue to keep it most of them are from Egypt, also sources are not reliable (Apologize if some will take it personal, i do not mean that, I just record my notices).... Thanks" Heroasawhole
 * " Fitzcarmalan (talk), it is obvious that Lihaas (talk) meant you by "partisans". and as per many users above and the article edit history, it is clear that you are the only one who ruins the whole Wikipedia truthfulness by this article. Sorry if you would feel it personal, but I am answering your last question!" Heroasawhole
 * 3. Both have an unusual way of mentioning other users in their entries by apparently copying their signatures. I underlined some instances in the examples above and you will notice all over Talk:Egyptian Revolution of 2013 the numerous times Hans Franssen brings up other users and the links to their respective talk pages, most notably Greyshark09's bold and italic signature . Heroasawhole did the exact same thing in the AfD discussion  and with Lihaas too as mentioned above.
 * 4. Both use the same vocabulary with hallmark words such as "truthfulness of the Wikipedia"   and double or triple use of exclamation marks (!). These are among many writing similarities i find in common between them.

Fitzcarmalan (talk) 22:50, 18 March 2014 (UTC)

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 * - King of  &hearts;   &diams;   &clubs;  &spades; 08:34, 20 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Please provide at least a brief reason for endorsing. That being said, ✅. ​—DoRD (talk)​ 01:33, 21 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Both blocked indefinitely for sockpuppetry but also as single purpose POV pushing accounts. Closing. Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 05:52, 21 March 2014 (UTC)

04 April 2014

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Account created two days after the master was blocked for being a SPA POV pushing account and for socking. The sock account has taken up were the master left off, the socks first contributions are proof enough that this is a sock, went through a half dozen articles changing Egyptian Revolution of 2013 to June 2013 Egyptian protests, A rename the master and his previous sock had voted in. The SPA similarities also exist on the accounts. Darkness Shines (talk) 09:43, 4 April 2014 (UTC)

Added IP 77.171.153.20 due to imposed POV & Andri Kuawko imposed POV

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 * ✅. Courcelles 17:53, 4 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Blocked and closing. Rschen7754 20:25, 4 April 2014 (UTC)

04 April 2014

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Two shiny new accounts whose only edits are to vote keep on the article created by the last sock. Darkness Shines (talk) 23:40, 4 April 2014 (UTC)

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''Accused parties may also comment/discuss in this section below. See Defending yourself against claims.'' Got two more for you. Darkness Shines (talk) 23:43, 4 April 2014 (UTC)
 * I added an IP and Darkness believes it could be a WP:DUCK. This edit pretty much explains it. Can you please take a look before someone closes the case? Fitzcarmalan (talk) 06:45, 6 April 2014 (UTC)

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 * Plausible matches for each other, but there are proxies involved. Courcelles 00:37, 5 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Both accounts blocked and tagged per behaviour and CU possible result. I've also blocked the IP for three days per the behaviour. Closing now. Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 01:40, 7 April 2014 (UTC)

07 April 2014

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The only contribution of this fresh new account was to start a case on me (Sockpuppet investigations/Fitzcarmalan), probably as an act of "retaliation" for being the one who reported him the first time, eventually leading to a block. I also expect more socks to appear in the future, so i think someone should keep a closer look on Mr. Franssen. Fitzcarmalan (talk) 12:13, 7 April 2014 (UTC)

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 * - Thank you for your attention to this, but can you please re-check this one in particular? I respect your decision but i just find it hard to believe that they are simply unrelated, since the investigation this one opened on me is similar to Hans Franssen's first case in the archive here. This certainly looks retaliatory to me since i don't believe to have encountered another editor who antagonized both me and Amrtarek (the one he suspects to be my sock) in such way. Is it possible to re-consider? Fitzcarmalan (talk) 13:52, 18 April 2014 (UTC)

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 * and are ❌.  Risker (talk) 05:25, 18 April 2014 (UTC)
 * , different countries, different user agent; from the CU perspective, no relation. Of course, any account that behaves inappropriately can be blocked or otherwise sanctioned whether or not they are a socking account. Risker (talk) 15:13, 18 April 2014 (UTC)
 * I agree that the Mr.skylimit account is very fishy, and seems to be trolling. But that seems like a pretty convincing technical argument that they are unrelated. Behaviorally-speaking, I'd need a lot more than "I don't know who else this can be" to conclude sockpuppetry. I'll note that I did close the SPI against you, Fitzcarmalan, as frivolous and without merit. --  At am a  頭 16:10, 18 April 2014 (UTC)

08 April 2014

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Obvious really, single edit to vote keep on an article created by a previous sock Darkness Shines (talk) 10:01, 8 April 2014 (UTC)

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 * and are ❌ and in fact not editing from the same continent.  Risker (talk) 05:27, 18 April 2014 (UTC)
 * That editor is not the only one to !vote to keep the article in that AfD. It's not unusual for accounts to be created just to participate at an AfD, given how often people canvass off of Wikipedia to try to votestack (we even have templates about that behavior). With the technical evidence making it very unlikely that it's a sockpuppet, I see nothing else to make the connection between them. --  At am a  頭 16:10, 18 April 2014 (UTC)

13 April 2014

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Makes the same argument against a merger of an article created by a previous sock, goes on about freedom of speech As does the IP Give nthe article was created by a sock, and he created three more to vote in it, then using an IP is no surprise Darkness Shines (talk) 11:08, 13 April 2014 (UTC)

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 * Generally speaking, I don't link accounts to IPs except if there is egregious socking; however, having just checked the two requests above, I can state that this IP is not related to any of the accounts. Risker (talk) 05:29, 18 April 2014 (UTC)
 * The communication styles between the IP and the account (who itself seems unrelated to Hans Franssen for technical reasons) are vastly different. The IP seems to have a much more advanced level of English than the account name. Given that they are also technically unrelated, I don't see what else would show the IP to be a sockpuppet. As I said before, it's not unusual for people to be recruited via canvassing to an AfD, and this IP is probably such a person. --  At am a  頭 16:10, 18 April 2014 (UTC)