Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Harirajmohanhrm/Archive

03 November 2014

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Over the last few months, there has been an extended edit war at Twenty:20 (film) and other articles related to Indian film primarily between two editors. I am submitting a separate SPI for the other sockmaster as well. Both of the editors (User:Wiki-senetor and User:Bangbang43) in question are currently blocked (see 3RR report) and were previously both blocked for the same edit war (see 3RR report). Despite these blocks, the edit war is continuing. See history of the Twenty:20 (film) article.

I think it likely that User:Bangbang43 is sock puppeting, coming from previously blocked User:Malayalam209 and User:Harirajmohanhrm. The listed IPs appear to be conducting the same type of edits as well: Now, User:Harirajmohanhrm is already indefinitely blocked for abusing multiple accounts, as is User:Malayalam209. Bangbang43 is not indefinitely blocked. There may be many more abusive sockpuppets of this user, thus the request for checkuser. Thank you, --Hammersoft (talk) 17:20, 3 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Bangbang43:
 * Harirajmohanhrm:
 * Malayalam209:
 * 117.221.185.31:
 * 117.221.186.241

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 * It looks very likely to me, but I would appreciate a CheckUser to be sure. The editor who uses the pseudonym "JamesBWatson" (talk) 15:47, 4 November 2014 (UTC)


 * and are ✅ as, no additional accounts found.  -- Jezebel's Ponyo bons mots  22:56, 6 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Accounts are blocked and tagged. I've blocked the IPs for a week based upon the behavioral evidence. Mike V  •  Talk  20:01, 7 November 2014 (UTC)


 * Bangbang43 remains blocked only for the one week that was done prior to the initiation of this SPI. Thoughts? --Hammersoft (talk) 15:55, 8 November 2014 (UTC)

12 November 2014

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as per this vandalism report. User also suggested a compromised account is using this IP so CU requested. Also they aren't sure about whether or not this is the sockmaster's IP but have sufficient evidence for CU so it is requested. Jeremy Sallis (talk) 16:51, 12 November 2014 (UTC)

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 * -- DQ   (ʞlɐʇ)  06:18, 14 November 2014 (UTC)

12 November 2014

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At Twenty:20 (film), Harirajmohanhrm's sockpuppet Bangbang43 kept bringing actor Mammootty to the front of the infobox list, he'd change which poster he wanted to use (perhaps to support his POV for actor ordering). He doesn't like the phrase "It was the highest grossing film in the history of Malayalam cinema for a period of five years", and instead prefers "It was the highest grossing film in Malayalam cinema until 2014." All this is demonstrated here.

In this edit, IP 117.221.186.241 does the same thing. He ignores embedded note, elevates Mammootty, removes content about how the film was the highest grossing film for five years and changes it to "it was the second highest grossing film". In the plot section, he doesn't like the phrasing "When Ramesh finds out Devaraja was actually trying to kill the criminals who defiled his sister, he is full of remorse." and instead prefers "When Ramesh finds out Devaraja was actually trying to kill the criminals who defiled his sister. finally ramesh turns to Ganesh and Mahindran." (Not an improvement, but I digress).

As for suspected sock Sonicbethesame, we see in these edits that he ignores an embedded note asking users to not replace the poster image. Sonicbethesame elevates Mammootty. He now calls Twenty:20 "the third highest grossing film in the history of Malayalam cinema." And the plot point about remorse has yet again been replaced with "When Ramesh finds out Devaraja was actually trying to kill the criminals who defiled his sister. finally ramesh turns to Ganesh and Mahindran."

This new user, Sonicbethesame just recently became autoconfirmed after making some perfunctory edits to a few unrelated articles and waiting long enough. I think that's enough duck info to warrant a checkuser. And since this crap is difficult to follow, Harirajmohanhrm likes Mammoooty, Wiki-senetor likes Mohanlal. Thanks. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 17:00, 12 November 2014 (UTC)

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You cannot run a CU between the IP and the named account. Period. There is therefore no point in requesting a CU here. Doc  talk  08:59, 14 November 2014 (UTC)
 * With due respect, I know that CheckUsers don't link IPs to accounts. I'm asking for a CheckUser to be performed on the named account, Sonicbethesame, which is listed at the top of my request. Maybe you're confusing my request for the one submitted by Jeremy Sallis above? The IP info I've added is here for completeness of the report, so other users who deal with these people have more info at their disposal and can make decisions accordingly. As in, "Oh, this must be Harirajmohanhrm, because the pattern is similar and he's previously used IPs in range 117.221.* that geolocate to Trivandrum, Kerala." Cyphoidbomb (talk) 15:46, 14 November 2014 (UTC)


 * Doc, User:Sonicbethesame needs to be checkusered against User:Bangbang43. I don't care about the IPs. But, the behavior of Sonic tracks to a series of sockpuppets. There's been a months long edit war between two editors of whom this case is one. The war spans multiple articles on Indian film, and neither editor so far has been willing to come to the discussion table and have refused every opportunity and invitation to do so. Please do not deny us our only remaining tool to stop this war (short of fully protecting every Indian film related article on the project). Thank you, --Hammersoft (talk) 15:52, 14 November 2014 (UTC)

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 * a sock of those in the archive. -- DQ   (ʞlɐʇ)  17:55, 14 November 2014 (UTC)
 * I've blocked and tagged the account. Closing.-- Jezebel's Ponyo bons mots 20:45, 14 November 2014 (UTC)

7 December 2014

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Likely sockpuppet of User:Harirajmohanhrm / User:Bangbang43 / User:Malayalam209 / User:Sonicbethesame based on creation of account after the last sock was reported (see this thread reported 12 November 2014), and editing behavior consistent with prior sock puppets. Examples include edit warring on Twenty:20 (film) to remove reference to Drishyam surpassing it as the highest grossing film in Malayam movies. Sockmaster examples: diff 1, diff 2. This sockpuppet diff 3 diff 4 (see the bottom of all diffs for the examples, where wording is changed to "It was the second highest grossing film in the history Malayalam cinema." There is other evidence which I would be happy to provide on request. --Hammersoft (talk) 00:30, 8 December 2014 (UTC)

Was going to file a sock report but thought I'd check with Hammersoft first because I was getting confused by the details. My notes:
 * As noted in the archive on this user, one of the things he keeps doing is restoring an older version of the plot summary. At some point I went through the summary and attempted to bring some clarity to the problematic prose. One thing Harirajmohanhrm does is to change article prose from a version that includes the content "When Ramesh finds out Devaraja was actually trying to kill the criminals who defiled his sister, he is full of remorse" and replaces it with a version that contains "When Ramesh finds out Devaraja was actually trying to kill the criminals who defiled his sister. finally ramesh turns to Ganesh and Mahindran" which he did in this edit. Notice also that he attempts to change the infobox image to "20-20-malayalam-film-poster.jpeg" (an image that was deleted a while back) which seems to be the preferred poster that supports his POV. That image has been deleted, but I believe it was uploaded by one of the Harirajmohanhrm socks. As a non-admin, I don't believe I can see that info, though.  Cyphoidbomb (talk) 07:19, 8 December 2014 (UTC)

To the blocking administrator: Please also indefinitely block User:Bangbang43. That account was determined to be a sock puppet, but the block has expired. --Hammersoft (talk) 16:27, 8 December 2014 (UTC)

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 * ✅ Courcelles 06:05, 8 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Can you block them all indefinatly??? E-e-bayer_lover   (Annoy me)  21:07, 2 January 2015 (UTC)

25 August 2015

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Same behavior, a promotional account dedicated to serve his master, a hardcore loyal fan of actor Mammootty. He already received a block warning from a user within a short time period. Also his edits does not look like a beginner in Wikipedia, looks like a fan sock. Still not 100% sure he is a sock of "him", anyway a fan for sure. Charles Turing (talk) 13:23, 25 August 2015 (UTC)
 * The user is a hardcore Mammootty fan which is evident from his edit history. The sockmaster was also high on promoting the actor. --Charles Turing (talk) 14:44, 3 September 2015 (UTC)

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 * See Sockpuppet investigations/Rashghunzraj blazt

Clerk, CheckUser, and/or patrolling admin comments

 * - In order to facilitate and expedite your request, please provide diffs to support your case. Please give two or more diffs meeting the following format:
 * 1) At least one diff is from the sockmaster (or an account already blocked as a confirmed sockpuppet of the sockmaster), showing the behaviour characteristic of the sockmaster.
 * 2) At least one diff per suspected sockpuppet, showing the suspected sockpuppet emulating the behaviour of the sockmaster given in the first diff.
 * 3) In situations where it is not immediately obvious from the diffs what the characteristic behaviour is, a short explanation must be provided. Around one sentence is enough for this.  Vanjagenije   (talk)  14:24, 25 August 2015 (UTC)
 * The case filler shows no intention to provide diffs as requested. Closing the case.  Vanjagenije  (talk)  15:03, 3 September 2015 (UTC)

23 January 2016

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Like the master, this user is also a hardcore fan of actor Mammootty and has heavy disapproval to his rivalry actor Mohanlal. Both of them are the two top Malayalam actors. His edits are unsourced and intend to strongly promote Mammootty and degrade Mohanlal. See his two diffs in both actors film articles for clarity - diff1 and diff2. His every edit goes like this, you won't find any difficulty to trace them. Charles Turing (talk) 11:18, 23 January 2016 (UTC)

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 * - In order for admins to take action on socks, they need clear evidence that the user is doing the same things as the sock master. The links you were kind enough to provide don't demonstrate any pro-Mammootty slant, which would be the hallmark of this sockmaster. Can you dig up a few, please? Cyphoidbomb (talk) 21:06, 23 January 2016 (UTC)


 * He is surely adding unsourced contents, and his every edits are in the box office section increasing the box office sum in Mammootty film articles and decreasing it in Mohanlal articles. See diff1, diff2, diff3 - These are Mammootty film articles. The sock master was also known for pro-Mammootty attitude. This user registered his account only yesterday and edited 9 articles, 5 of them I already listed here. Sock or not, he is in Wikipedia not for a good reason.--Charles Turing (talk) 06:53, 24 January 2016 (UTC)


 * Closing on lack of diffs presented to the master account and only two editing pages in common. -- Amanda  (aka DQ) 00:56, 30 January 2016 (UTC)

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Recently he made an edit in Mammootty against a consensus. Similar edits have been made previously in that article, which made me dig the history. All editors who have done such edits were socks, now blocked indefinitely. Out of them, I found this user Harirajmohanhrm having similarities with Ambeinghari. He last edited on October 14, 2014 & Ambeinghari was created on October 17, 2014. Harirajmohanhrm has also added many hyperbolic contents in Mammootty, , ,.

Similar attempts were made by both of them for making edits against consensus in Kerala Varma Pazhassi Raja (film). Harirajmohanhrm, Ambeinghari.

Their contributions show that both of them are Salman Khan (actor) fans. Plenty of promotional edits on Salman Khan alone, with Ambeinghari 15 & Harirajmohanhrm 19 edits. And looks like both have an amount of hatred towards Shah Rukh Khan (Khan's professional rivalry) - Harirajmohanhrm, Ambeinghari. Also there is an interesting edit of Ambeinghari in Shah Rukh Khan & Salman Khan.

Another finding is, in this edit, Harirajmohanhrm abuse an IP calling him an obscene word "....pundachimone", which in English means "motherfu_ker", interesting thing is in the block log of Ambeinghari, he was blocked for 48 hrs for personal attack, it was for calling a user "motherfucking idiot", that too an administrator.

There are also other similarities which may be trivial as an evidence. Notable one is their names: Harirajmohanhrm - Hari Raj Mohan HRM, Ambeinghari - Am Being Hari. Which possibly indicate both their names are Hari (Note: Hari is an Indian name, synonym of god Vishnu). Inside the Valley (talk) 14:40, 28 July 2016 (UTC)

More strong proofs from his recent edits on Mammootty. I am referring to a particular sentence in the following edits.


 * Ambeinghar
 * See the sentence, "He has also appeared in the highest number of dual roles (nine) in Malayalam films." and
 * "Vanitha, a leading women's magazine in Malayalam, in 2004, chose Mammootty as the actor with the highest sex appeal in Kerala, following a survey among its readers."
 * Harirajmohanhrm has added these same sentences in September 2014
 * Among his other additions we can see "He has also appeared in the highest number of dual roles (nine) in Malayalam films." and
 * "Vanitha, in 2004, chose Mammootty as the actor with the highest sex appeal in Kerala, following a survey among its readers.'"

Since then, he had tried to add that at many occasions, & now Ambeinghari is doing that.--Inside the Valley (talk) 13:28, 3 August 2016 (UTC)

Ambeinghari nominated 4 articles for GA within the last 4 days - Suriya, Salman Khan, Mammootty, & Baahubali: The Beginning. Mammootty & Baahubali are new noms, but Suriya & Salman Khan were last nominated by Harirajmohanhrm. Inside the Valley (talk) 08:08, 6 August 2016 (UTC)

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What is that suppose to mean. What about this investigation. Inside the Valley (talk) 17:22, 29 July 2016 (UTC)
 * I think he means the investigation will continue there. But this one has to be closed somehow. Kailash29792 (talk) 03:41, 2 August 2016 (UTC)
 * For coherency, I think the investigation needs to stay here. User:Harirajmohanhrm is the sockmaster in this case, and adding to the archives here will be useful. If we split the investigation into an archive for User:Ambeinghari, it will make it more difficult to conduct future investigations. --Hammersoft (talk) 14:51, 3 August 2016 (UTC)

I don't know what is going on here. Am new to wiki. This is my one and only wiki account. Being same name doesn't make both accounts same. Yes am a fan of actor Salman khan. So what?? The one who started this is a fan of actor Mohanlal. He may be obsessed with the fact that am reverting much hyed content on article Mohanlal. This is one and only my genuine account. Thanks. Ambeinghari (talk) 2 August 2016 (UTC)

User:Ambeinghari is a blatant sockpuppet of User:Harirajmohanhrm. The evidence provided is convincingly strong. Thanks to Inside the Valley for doing this work. I've conducted my own investigation and have a strong list of evidence to support the conclusion these are one and the same person. I do not wish to discuss this list in a public fora. If you wish to see my evidence, please contact me. --Hammersoft (talk) 14:46, 3 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Also, while checkuser data for User:Harirajmohanhrm is obviously stale at this point, a checkuser may still serve to shed some light. Compare results of your checkuser report against the IPs at Category:Wikipedia sockpuppets of Harirajmohanhrm. If there's no match, it does not prove these two are not related, but if there is a match to the IP (or range) it's further evidence. --Hammersoft (talk) 14:49, 3 August 2016 (UTC)
 * If you mean I am to post my evidence publicly, I respectfully decline to do so. This is a long running sockpuppeteer. I do not wish to make it easier for him to hide himself by showing how we can rightfully conclude this is one and the same person. Doing so hamstrings our ability to deal with this abusive editor. This has been a long running problem, going on for years now. --Hammersoft (talk) 14:59, 3 August 2016 (UTC)

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See Sockpuppet investigations/Ambeinghari.--Bbb23 (talk) 17:07, 28 July 2016 (UTC)
 * I've declined the CU request. It's all . I am not going to do what suggests. Nor do I wish to see additional evidence privately.--Bbb23 (talk) 14:55, 3 August 2016 (UTC)

Closing for insufficient evidence. When dealing with a situation involving two users interested in a similar range of topics, we always need to be open to the possibility that these are two different people from a given country or culture who both happen to be interested in topics specific to that country or culture. W/r/t the oft-cited DUCK test, this could be an example of two different members of the same species of duck. Generally, SPI evidence cannot be considered unless it is made public; however, if you have evidence you consider important but which you feel is not appropriate for public disclosure, you may send it to the Arbitration Committee at  for consideration (one of the purposes of ArbCom is to deal with situations where exceptional factors, such as the need for privacy, preclude a public hearing). — Rich wales (no relation to Jimbo) 02:30, 10 September 2016 (UTC)

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Long-term sock.

Harirajmohanhrm's last activity on 14 October 2014, Ambeinghari created on 17 October 2014.

Same name

GAN, Suriya:

GAN, Salman Khan:

Overlapping edits at same kind of articles, some Indian actors and their films (except cricketer Virat Kohli), and even two user talks. 117.230.150.167 (talk) 19:16, 24 December 2019 (UTC)

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, I believe it is for general cases, but this one here is sockpuppetry. WP:SOCK states If a person is found to be using a sock puppet, the sock puppet account(s) should be blocked indefinitely. A blocked user is not allowed to edit Wikipedia, unless sanctioned through an unblock request.117.230.189.123 (talk) 07:45, 25 December 2019 (UTC)

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 * This account has been checked and investigated numerous times in the past, e.g. Sockpuppet investigations/Harirajmohanhrm/Archive and Sockpuppet investigations/Ambeinghari. None of the previous investigations resulted in a sockpuppetry block for this user. I am inclined to close this case without action on this basis. Mz7 (talk) 19:55, 24 December 2019 (UTC)
 * I'm not so worried about the fact that multiple previous investigations have come up empty, but the diffs offered as evidence are all several years old. WP:Blocking policy states that blocks are to prevent damage to the encyclopedia.  If there's nothing going on now, there's no reason to block.  So, yeah, I'm going to close this.  -- RoySmith (talk) 21:47, 24 December 2019 (UTC)