Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Hatharchoudhary/Archive

Suspected sockpuppets
On 22nd April, a new SPA account named 'User:Hatharchoudhary came up with some accusations here [] in an edit summary,"his first and only one". Similar accusations were made on 27th by new account named Baidy540 here [], [] and on 28th April came Kaminthdas with same [], [] and both got banned as sockpuppet of Jaideepthakur. Now on 29th April, another newly created account named Thakurgul came up with same accusations here [] on a different article talk page. Now, on 4th May here another newly created account named Ravibhooria came up with same accusations word to word on my talk page [], [] and on an Admin's talk page here- [],  all same type  without any  past interaction with me, the biggest link is  all these accounts are just within a month old. This has become a regular WP:Hounding against me. Since, in an earlier SPI it was clear that Baidy (alleged sock of jaideepthakur) has no link with the Thakurgul. I suspect it is a case of socking by above mentioned three accounts or a possible meat by more than one handler. I think they also might have connection with many newly created multiple account active in last 2 months on Yadav page, Ahir clans, Ahirs, these accounts after adding unreliable to questionable references regularly get ditched with time. RS6784 (talk) 22:10, 6 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Thank you esteemed admin for confirming this-  Hatharchoudhary and Thakurgul are  confirmed to each other. But isn't having multiple accounts a violation ? and outright sockpuppetry? in that case I believe the action should be stated as per rule I have been continuously hounded by different newly created accounts for two weeks which has definitely affected me, I will not be surprised if tomorrow I get a "life threatening" post on my talk page. I think my recent edits including improving Ahir, Yadav, Ahir clans pages with better references has got something to do with it as said by all of these accounts. I suspect some of the ditched accounts on those articles could be related to them. Can I add here some more diffs related to certain ditched accounts on the pages of those articles like Ahir, Yadav, Ahir clans? Because this is definitely connected to it RS6784 (talk) 06:07, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
 * , it seems the user Thakurgul's talk page suggests that he was already given uw-agf-sock warning on 26th April by another editor. See here [] check this first msg on 26th April as per history of his talk page it is uw-agf-sock warning by another editor here-[], in the comment that I posted above is after that uw-agf-sock notice on 29th April diff given here -[]. Adding to it, the editing style doesn't look like of new editor. In my opinion this is open shut case, needs stern action.RS6784 (talk) 08:37, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
 * @RS6784 there's a couple of different issues here. First, some use of multiple accounts is allowed.  Hatharchoudhary made a single edit, and has not edited again after Thakurgul was created.  You're allowed to abandon an account and make a clean start with a new one, as long as you don't edit in a way that violates WP:ILLEGIT.But, the item that concerns me more is your mention of "life threatening" messages.  Have you gotten any of these, or threats of any kind?  That's an extremely serious issue.  If you do receive any threats, see Responding to threats of harm, or feel free to ping me.  If you prefer, contact me by email. -- RoySmith (talk) 14:11, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
 * I haven't received it but who knows the kind of hounding that I am facing now from multiple newly created accounts in last 1-2 weeks. There is another issue Hatharchoudhary and Thakurgul both came up with same statements which are generally not of a new user, it means they might be having more accounts., I am planning to put up case for another SPI with respect to accounts on certain pages, I would request for merging of that into this one. I will put it by the end of the day, I request you for not closing this case till that SPI you can merge it to this one because I am sure the handlers of these accounts have had been active on an other page where I have edited. RS6784 (talk) 14:56, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
 * If you want to report more accounts as suspected socks, please file a new report under today's date. Thanks. -- RoySmith (talk) 15:04, 9 May 2022 (UTC)

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 * - -- RoySmith (talk) 01:20, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Hatharchoudhary and Thakurgul are ✅ to each other, but looking at the editing history, I'd be inclined to nothing more than leaving some uw-agf-sock warnings. I'll leave that up to a clerk to figure out.
 * As for Ravibhooria, they appear unrelated to this case, but ✅ to Baidy540 and Kaminthdas from Sockpuppet investigations/Jaideep thakur. They should be moved to that case and blocked as confirmed.
 * Performing a sleeper check was impractical with the data I have available. -- RoySmith (talk) 01:49, 9 May 2022 (UTC)


 * - -- RoySmith (talk) 01:50, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
 * I've filed a pro-forma report on Ravibhooria at Sockpuppet_investigations/Jaideep_thakur. As for Hatharchoudhary/Thakurgul, they received a uw-agf-sock warning on April 26th and the Hatharchoudhary account has not edited since then. In light of this, I don't see an actionable violation of the sockpuppetry policy. That doesn't preclude other issues with their edits, but that's not in scope for SPI. Closing. Thanks, Spicy (talk) 15:20, 9 May 2022 (UTC)

Suspected sockpuppets
On 22nd April, a new SPA account named User:Hatharchoudhary came up with some accusations here [] and in a previous SPI he was found to be connected to another newly SPA Thakurgul. The language of his 1st edit makes it clear that the account is not a new USER and certainly is an active user on other pages. The issue probably started after I had removed some Raj era references WP:RAJ and added some referenced material on Krishnaut, Yaduvanshi Aheer, Ahir, Yadav and Ahir clans. The account SHRVRA is active on some of the same pages and he moved a page on 5th april here [] same was done by KshatranaHindu on 2nd April here []. There is a high possibility that these two accounts are the same. The same SHRVRA was active on Ahir clans page here: [], [] where later I removed Raj era references. RS6784 (talk) 08:56, 11 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Now coming to Yaduvanshi Aheer a newly account named- Jhans9999 which now seems ditched got active when I had removed Raj-era references and added some referenced material there, the account gave wrong edit summary and his only activity is restricted to that page just for three days here is one diff [], his contribution is restricted only to that page. Now, on 8th April another account named Hogervinny got active here on the same page, first edit []. Another account Griharipu got active on Yaduvanshi Aheer on 7th April, his last edits from limited numbers were in 2020 on Ahir here as per his contrib- [], which is very odd. Interestingly all of them have edited on similar pages. Coming to HinduKshatrana who is somewhere connected to these account as on 7th April he edited on Yaduvanshi Aheer page doing some kind of edit exchange with some editor here[] and on 8th April SHRVRA reverts it to his edit here:[], interestingly, user name staverson a banned sock of Jaideep thakur contacted him here [ and was even given barnstar by Griharipu here []    and same barnstar by staverson (banned sock) here [] and user: Hindu Kshatrana has been continuously trying to revert edits to the version of some of these accounts like here he reverted to a jaideeep's sock version [], and here as well [].
 * Considering that, I was suddenly called out by account having 1 edit named : Hatharchoudhary. It is highly likely that the real handler of Hatharchoudhary is in the accounts active on Ahir, Yadav, Ahir clans, Yaduvanshi Aheer etc. A simple analysis of the first edit of Hatharchoudhary makes it clear that handler of the account was not happy with some of my edits on another page, so he made a new account. I would request for a check here. Not only this, a lot of them might be connected to each other.
 * Dear Admin, the first comment of Hatharchoudhary made it clear, that it had multiple accounts and not a new user. Considering 4 accounts are being operated and 2 on same page. This is a clear cut case of deception, who knows more such accounts could be there and so, it deserves stern action. Weren't Jhans9999 and Hogervinny active on a same page in short interval?RS6784 (talk) 16:07, 11 May 2022 (UTC)
 * User:Jisoo55 is also probably related to it', similar edit history and content adding but looks like again ditched, the pattern the handler of all these account has followed. A simple glance of his contribution makes it clear.[], will share some diff as well like on Yaduvanshi Aheer, he added this content [] Even same is added by HinduKshatrana on the other page. RS6784 (talk) 16:27, 11 May 2022 (UTC)
 * See this Admin I had given sock warning in start of April to Jhans9999- diff here [], Hogervinny account is created by handler after that warning and activity on same page. To me this diff is enough to settle the intention part as there is WP:STRAWSOCK involving Thakurgul with his recent activity. For, Griharipu and Hindukshatrana they have added same content. And not only that, on one page on 7th April as their contribution suggests Griharipu deactivates and HinduKshatrana gets active the next on the same day itself. RS6784 (talk) 16:36, 11 May 2022 (UTC)
 * There is another account named Tinamgrmes similar to profile of Hatharchoudhary and his other accounts here : [] with same pattern of editing and account creation purpose, can a possible check be done for this account ? It is also connected to the above either to Hindukshatrana, Griharipu or to the other accounts of Hatharchoudhary. RS6784 (talk) 05:16, 12 May 2022 (UTC)
 * There is a clause in WP:ILLEGIT which says: "Contributing to the same page or discussion with multiple accounts: Editors may not use more than one account to contribute to the same page or discussion in a way that suggests they are multiple people."- in case of Jhans9999 and Hogervinny, it should come under it as they contributed on same page within short interval of time considering the fact that I gave sock warning to Jhans9999 here-[] on 1st April itself and Hogervinny gets active within a week on same page here :[] after that warning to Jhans9999. RS6784 (talk) 07:10, 12 May 2022 (UTC)
 * I stand corrected dear, Jisoo55 is probably related to HinduKshatrana. This is the content added by Hindu Kshatrana here on Ahir page : [], same is added by Jisoo55 another suspected account on Yaduvanshi Aheer page here [], even the Google search is same for the content they added. For Jhans9999 he adds some Guha reference:[] on Yaduvanshi Aheer and had 3 reverts, the next edit is made by an IP adding the same content there [] . 07:42, 12 May 2022 (UTC)

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 * - -- RoySmith (talk) 15:14, 11 May 2022 (UTC)
 * In 06 May 2022, we found that Hatharchoudhary and Thakurgul were the same user, but that there was no violation of WP:ILLEGIT. That now extends to Hogervinny and Jhans9999 as well; all 4 of those accounts are confirmed to each other, but with no temporal overlap, it's technically not socking.  However, with 4 accounts, it's getting harder to make the argument convincingly that there's no intent of deception here.  HinduKshatrana and Griharipu are  to each other, and ❌ to anybody else.  SHRVRA is ❌. -- RoySmith (talk) 16:01, 11 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Many people have strong opinions on caste issues. I don't find the behavioural evidence concerning the unblocked accounts compelling enough to override the CU evidence. Closing. Thanks, Spicy (talk) 04:27, 18 May 2022 (UTC)

Suspected sockpuppets
as with previous sock investigation, it is clear that handler Hatharchoudhary easily has 4 accounts. This user Tinamgrmes contributions suggests that he made edit on the same page as Thakurgul and on a similar Ahir related page which was the core areas of Jhans9999, both accounts of Hatharchoudhary with similar pattern and this account editing phase overlaps with Hogervinny. I request for a check here. Here is Tinamgrmes edit:[], and Thakurgul also made same edit later on this page here []. RS6784 (talk) 17:26, 12 May 2022 (UTC)

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 * - -- RoySmith (talk) 23:14, 12 May 2022 (UTC)
 * ✅ to the bunch from the past few days, and the excuse of nto no longer applies. Blocking the lot of them.  Due to the nature of the data, I didn't bother looking for sleepers. -- RoySmith (talk) 23:23, 12 May 2022 (UTC)