Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Historynerd224/Archive

Suspected sockpuppets

 * ( renamed Historynerd224)
 * ( renamed Sandy Bluff)
 * ( renamed Sandy Bluff)


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Recently created accounts editing same obscure articles, particularly of Nulhegan Band of the Coosuk Abenaki Nation of an organization that might present a COI, consistent style, both deleting cited information, both promoting this organization
 * Nulhegan Band of the Coosuk Abenaki Nation: Revision history
 * Abenaki
 * Historyisbuff diff
 * Kimballofficial diff. Yuchitown (talk) 03:56, 28 January 2022 (UTC)

User:DanCoutu: Account created in 2020 but seldom used until recently. Mostly focused on Nulhegan Band of the Coosuk Abenaki Nation.
 * Nulhegan Band of the Coosuk Abenaki Nation DIFF (March 2021)
 * Nulhegan Band of the Coosuk Abenaki Nation DIFF (December 2021)
 * Talk page DIFF (March 2021)

User:75.68.143.200: IP of User:DanCoutu, who accidentally signed out and kept editing their previous post.
 * Talk page DIFF (29 Jan 2022)

User:Historynerd224
 * contributions. I don't under why this individual keeps making new accounts to make similar edits to the same exact article.

User:AlnobakHistorian
 * contributions. Yet another, older single-purpose user that only edits Nulhegan Band of the Coosuk Abenaki Nation. Each username follows the exact same format, doesn't create a userpage, and mainly edits this one article about an organization.

Comments by other users
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Hello! I got this notification about sockpuppetting and wanted to clear some things up.

I created an editing account because I saw the Nulhegan article while reading about it and Vermont tribes, and decided to edit it as I was researching because it was really bare and had information about tribes that weren't even that one. I'd always wanted to try Wikipedia editing and this seemed like a perfect opportunity. I also have no intention to be a major editor. Then I learned more about why the controversy was there and applied to them all and i looked at lots of articles sent to me regarding why its so closely tied to the Missiquoi and the Odanak.

As for the two accounts, I made my first account on my laptop. I then logged into another computer at the work desk bc i wanted to keep editing, but my password didn't wanna work, so I made another account called historyisbuff.

Later, to make the accounts look more similar and seem impersonal, I requested to change my old username to historynerd224. I have no intention to use historyisbuff anymore. I certainly didnt have any intention of foul play. I honestly just really didnt think much of it bc i assumed it didnt matter who was editing as long as i cited my sources. I didn't realize editing accounts and making multiple and changing names was so sensitive an issue.

To be perfectly honest I was unaware as to how much of an issue it would be, and I apologize. I am unfamiliar with the culture of Wikipedia and would be happy to retire from editing as to avoid any more issues. I do appreciate the opportunity to do it though its very interesting and I want to make sure I'm giving a better more thorough history to these tribes and living peoples today.

I hope this clears things up, and I'm happy to answer any questions! I really didnt mean for it to go this intense but that's probably my fault due to lack of research about how Wikipedia editing works. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Historynerd224 (talk • contribs) 17:57, 30 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Copied from a since-blanked comment on the talkpage. --  Tamzin  [ cetacean needed ] (she/they) 18:28, 30 January 2022 (UTC)

I meant to dm this to Yuchitown directly, so I moved it to their talk page and edited it to look nicer. I wasn't sure where to post it. Also I do not know the accounts Alnobakhistorian and Dancoutu. I did not make them. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Historynerd224 (talk • contribs) 18:45, 30 January 2022 (UTC)


 * Historynerd224 This is not factual. You removed content and sources specific to Nulhegagan, https://www.raceshifting.com/abenaki-tribe-at-nulheganmemphremagog-the-nulhegan-abenaki-tribe/ and https://uofmpress.ca/books/detail/distorted-descent from the article, not simply the content referencing all tribes in Vermont in the BIA report. This was done in your very first edit on the Nulhegan article in fact https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Nulhegan_Band_of_the_Coosuk_Abenaki_Nation&diff=1066923220&oldid=1064705267 Indigenous girl (talk) 18:59, 30 January 2022 (UTC)
 * I assume you're referring to our earlier conversation Indigenous girl. I guess I mistook I assumed you were referencing me splitting and moving around the BIA article between the two pages because I cut off some of the quote and that's the edit you attached your message to. The removal of those sources and the whole controversy tab I did as my first edit upon looking at the page and was (like I said above) because I did not see how it was relating to the Nulhegan when it seemed specifically about the Missisquoi, but then you noted how it was related to me in edits and I researched it a bit more to see the connection, and moved it to the history section to expand on it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Historynerd224 (talk • contribs) 19:11, 30 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Except you did remove content that was Nulhegan specific. As did every contributor in this report. Every single one attempted to erase the controversy section. This feels like a group effort at the very least to me. Though it may be a coincidence, I feel it should be noted that there is a similar pattern between DanCoutu and HistoryNerd224 not signing their comments.Indigenous girl (talk) 20:48, 30 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Alright I’m not sure why you keep bringing up the deleting the controversy section which I then fixed. I have stated why I did multiple times. Regardless I thought this issue was about my making two accounts so I do not see why it is relevant. I assure you my intent was not to cause any problems. I also again apologize that I did not understand the culture of not making multiple accounts and state again that I do not know dancoutu or alnobakhistorian and this was not a group effort of any kind. In fact I thought I was the first person who had edited the article for a long time. Also I was unaware I had to sign my comments because I thought that I bot did that after I post a message. I appreciate the clarification and learning more about the situation but my main goal here was to add more information about the social efforts and history of the Nulhegan Abenaki tribe and to try Wikipedia editing for fun and research. I had no political motive. I am not quite sure exactly as to what I did wrong that I did not apologize for or explain. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Historynerd224 (talk • contribs) 21:27, 30 January 2022 (UTC)

Clerk, CheckUser, and/or patrolling admin comments

 * ✅ to each other:
 * is technically to those accounts. . Leaving blocks to other CUs/clerks/admins. Dreamy Jazz talk to me &#124; my contributions 16:00, 29 January 2022 (UTC)
 * The same account is listed here twice: Historynerd224 is the renamed Kimballofficial. I'm moving this to Historynerd224 for now per the rename, without prejudice against another move if behavioral evidence settles on DanCoutu being the master. (I haven't checked yet whether that's a likely outcome.) --  Tamzin  [ cetacean needed ] (she/they) 18:34, 30 January 2022 (UTC)
 * I'm mostly inclined to AGF here, but trust but verify. Are you able to say if the CU data is consistent with the narrative in paragraph 3 of Historynerd's response?  --  Tamzin  [ cetacean needed ] (she/they) 20:49, 30 January 2022 (UTC)
 * @Tamzin it is possible that this is the case, but I don't think I can conclusively say that the CU data supports this. Dreamy Jazz talk to me &#124; my contributions 20:54, 30 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Given that the card Historynerd has played is one you can only play once, I am closing with a strong warning to Historynerd224. Historynerd: If this really was a big mistake, then I wouldn't want you to retire over this, but please take to heart what others are saying about your edits, and please do not use any other accounts to edit in this topic area, and ideally just don't use any other accounts at all. Same goes for logged-out editing. This is a discretionary situation, and I'm choosing to show leniency; the same will not be true if you wind up here again.Now, to both you and DanCoutu: I don't think that you're the same person, but you clearly share a point of view that's positive toward the same small entity. Even an appearance of tag-team editing can be detrimental to the encyclopedia, so please be careful to not do anything that could be construed that way.I close this without investigating AlnobakHistorian, as, even if Historynerd or DanCoutu did use that account, it would not be a violation of SOCK to have abandoned one account and switched to a new one.Any content or conduct issues can be resolved at appropriate venues. --  Tamzin  [ cetacean needed ] (she/they) 21:04, 30 January 2022 (UTC)
 * This SPI has concluded. If you and Indigenous girl have further matters to discuss, please discuss them on your user talk pages, or the appropriate article talk page, or at some venue suited for content or conduct disputes. Further messages here will be removed. --  Tamzin  [ cetacean needed ] (she/they) 21:35, 30 January 2022 (UTC)
 * I've closed the section as the issues being discussed can be discussed elsewhere as the original filing is dealt with for the time being. Dreamy Jazz talk to me &#124; my contributions 23:23, 30 January 2022 (UTC)
 * This SPI has concluded. If you and Indigenous girl have further matters to discuss, please discuss them on your user talk pages, or the appropriate article talk page, or at some venue suited for content or conduct disputes. Further messages here will be removed. --  Tamzin  [ cetacean needed ] (she/they) 21:35, 30 January 2022 (UTC)
 * I've closed the section as the issues being discussed can be discussed elsewhere as the original filing is dealt with for the time being. Dreamy Jazz talk to me &#124; my contributions 23:23, 30 January 2022 (UTC)