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07 February 2015

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Ialiabbas was warned on 2/6 for edit warring on Husayn ibn Ali. Since then, Own.Pak, who had no edits before 2/6, blind reverted to Ialiabbas' version on Husayn ibn Ali and has supported Ialiabbas' version on the talk page.    Edward321 (talk) 15:11, 7 February 2015 (UTC)

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There are stylistic reasons to believe these editors are the same:

A look at their contributions histories (Ialiabbas, Own.Pak) shows that when making an edit, they both tend to do so with many saves over a short period of time, and generally without edit summaries.
 * This edit by Ialiabbas required 18 saves between 15:59 and 16:45.
 * This edit by Ialiabbas required 20 saves between 20:31 and 22:32.
 * This edit by Own.Pak required 5 saves between 16:09 and 16:17.

Their contributions histories show that Ialiabbas has made 207 edits and only 3 of them have an edit summary created by the user, whereas Own.Pak has made 14 edits and only 2 have an edit summary created by the user.

Ialiabbas created a version of the article on Husayn ibn Ali and Hasan ibn Ali with features that Own.Pak introduced into his version of the article on Yazid I.
 * The infobox lists an opponent(s).
 * The infobox has return characters between each child in the list of children. This was not in the previous versions.
 * Replacement of European day-month-year dates with American month-day-year dates.
 * Change of Husayn ibn Ali to "Hussein".

It is also worth noting that Ialiabbas and Own.Pak show a very strong POV against Yazid I and his father Muawiyah I in their edits. Though many Shia have this POV, so having this POV is not distinctive.

I suspect that these two editors are socks of User:Flagrantedelicto who had the same POV, and similar editing style. See Special:Contributions/Flagrantedelicto and Sockpuppet investigations/Flagrantedelicto/Archive.--  Toddy1 (talk) 16:25, 7 February 2015 (UTC)


 * @User:Edward321 created this SPI report. I merely commented on it.


 * Reason for thinking Ialiabbas and Own.Pak are the same. I already provided diffs showing the same features in infoboxes/articles.  But I will repeat them here - see comments above for the various identical features introduced.
 * Ialiabbas.,Hasan ibn Ali
 * Own.Pak.[
 * -- Toddy1 (talk) 16:28, 15 February 2015 (UTC)


 * Reason for thinking Ialiabbas is a sock of Flagrantedelicto is because of the large numbers of saves they made to achieve their edits, without editor-generated edit summaries, and the same POV in the same area of interest. (Muawiyah I was Yazid I's father.)
 * This edit by Ialiabbas required 18 saves between 15:59 and 16:45.
 * This edit by Ialiabbas required 20 saves between 20:31 and 22:32.
 * This edit by Flagrantedelicto to Talk:Muawiyah I required 9 saves between 02:16 and 02:58 on 21 June 2013
 * This edit by Flagrantedelicto to Talk:Muawiyah I required 8 saves between 10:44 and 10:56 on 22 June 2013
 * This edit by Flagrantedelicto to Talk:Muawiyah I required 14 saves between 11:30 and 11:57 on 22 June 2013
 * This edit by Flagrantedelicto to Talk:Muawiyah I required 9 saves between 12:02 and 12:50 on 22 June 2013
 * This edit by Flagrantedelicto to Talk:Muawiyah I required 10 saves between 13:08 and 13:38 on 22 June 2013
 * This edit by Flagrantedelicto to Talk:Muawiyah I required 7 saves between 16:01 and 16:24 on 22 June 2013
 * This edit by User:Zulfindar (a sock of Flagrantedelicto) to Talk:Muawiyah I required 7 saves between 19:50 and 20:52 on 24 July 2013
 * The pattern of making very large numbers of saves to achieve an edit, generally without the user writing an edit summary was one of Flagrantedelicto's habits, which his sock Zulfindar also had. See Special:Contributions/Flagrantedelicto, Special:Contributions/Zulfindar (proven sock of Flagrantedelicto)  :Ialiabbas, Own.Pak show a similar pattern.--  Toddy1 (talk) 16:57, 15 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Bbb23 - yes I initially misunderstood. However it also took time to assemble and check the diffs for Flagrantedelicto.--  Toddy1 (talk) 16:59, 15 February 2015 (UTC)

Clerk, CheckUser, and/or patrolling admin comments
There's barely enough here for me to endorse a CU. I'm not persuaded on behavior alone. However, before I do that, I need to provide some evidence (comparison diffs) of his suspicion that the master here is Flagrantedelicto. Otherwise, I will ignore it.--Bbb23 (talk) 16:11, 15 February 2015 (UTC)

. I am endorsing a CU and, as previously stated, ignoring 's suspicion of another master. @Toddy1, I think you misunderstood my request. First, I know who opened this report. Second, I saw the diffs between the two accounts here regarding the infoboxes (they were helpful). I needed diffs of Flagrantedelicto to compare, not just a link to his entire edit history.--Bbb23 (talk) 16:37, 15 February 2015 (UTC)
 * I appreciate the addition of the diffs, but it's simply not enough for me to tie these two puppets to Flagrantedelicto based on behavior alone, and a CU isn't possible related to that case because everything is stale. So, the evidence will remain here for the future, but no determination will be made.--Bbb23 (talk) 17:41, 15 February 2015 (UTC)


 * Checkuser comment:  and  are ✅ socks.  Risker (talk) 03:49, 16 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks Risker. Master blocked 1 week, sock indef. Closing. Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 05:08, 16 February 2015 (UTC)