Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Iamthelotus/Archive

21 November 2012

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 * User:Iamthelotus, User:Iamdevotion, User:76.104.3.112 and User:Truthisnow are contributing to the same limited range of articles:
 * Special:Contributions/Iamthelotus (created 20 january 2011, 34 edits per 18 november 2012)
 * Satguru
 * Gangaji
 * Amma Sri Karunamayi
 * Gertrude Warner (mother of Kosi
 * Special:Contributions/Iamdevotion (created 29 october 2012, 633 edits per 18 november 2012)
 * Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Kosi (page mentions neo-Advaita, student of Gangaji, student of Amma Sri Karunamayi)
 * Neo-Advaita
 * Special:Contributions/76.104.3.112 (first edit 13 november 2012)
 * Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Kosi
 * Neo-Advaita
 * Special:Contributions/Truthisnow (created 17 november 2012, 18 edits per 18 november 2012)
 * Satguru
 * Neo-Advaita
 * Truthisnow and Iamdevotion are making the same edits to Neo-Advaita,
 * Insering the same material diff1 diff2 diff3
 * Reverting reverts, showing a lack of cooperative behaviour or discussion, despite repeted invitations and warnings to do so:
 * Reinserting "Please see Neo Avaita Trap Below" without explanation: diff1 diff2 (Talk Page)diff3 diff4
 * Truthisnow is reinserting "Neo Advaita trap" without discussion: diff1 diff2 diff3
 * Invitations and warnings at the userpage: first edit diff1 diff2 diff3
 * They all three have the same kind of name;
 * None of them has created a userpage;
 * Subsequent periods on editing with connected time-ranges without overlap:
 * 16/11:
 * 10.55-11.13 Iamdevotion Kosi
 * 12.44-12.52 Iamthelotus Satguru
 * 13.00-13.04 Iamdevotion Kosi
 * 18/11:
 * 11.13-12.10 Iamdevotion Kosi
 * 12.19-12.38 Truthisnow Neo-Advaita & Satguru
 * 12.54-14.00 Iamdevotion Kosi
 * 19/11:
 * 00.20-00.22 Iamdevotion Kosi
 * 00.32 76.104.3.112 Kosi
 * 00.49 Iamdevotion Kosi

Joshua Jonathan (talk) 12:01, 21 November 2012 (UTC)

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--Iamdevotion (talk) 02:35, 23 November 2012 (UTC)Hello. I am new to wiki and I am working on an Article about Kosi (Spiritual Teacher). One morning when I returned to work on the article someone changed the structure and created a section called Biography and another section called Teaching, with Neo-Advaita as a sub category. I was not familiar with Neo-Advaita, but in reading the wiki article on that subject it seemed consistent with Kosi's style of teaching and I referenced it, but around the time I was working on it someone changed what I had referenced and I added it back in. If I remember right I thought it might make sense to have it in a separate section. But again, I am new to this so I don't really know who was editing what or when. The wiki code above and wiki code in general is very confusing and this wiki world is still a bit strange for me. It turns out that Kosi is not associated with Neo-Advaita, but is purely Advaita Vedanta. Please advise on how to resolve.


 * Comment by Joshua Jonathan: I'm the one who restructured the draft for Kosi diff - at 18 november. The Neo-Advaita Trap-section was added to Neo-Advaita at 16 november 23.58 (GMT?)diff by Iamdevotion, after he removed part of his draft diff 23.54, on Neo-Advaita, and added it to the Ne-Advaita article. It was re-added at 17 november diff by Truthisnow. So it were the edits by Iamdevotion and Truthisnow whigh drew my attention to the Kosi-draft - and not the other way round. Joshua Jonathan (talk) 04:33, 23 November 2012 (UTC)

--Iamdevotion (talk) 02:35, 24 November 2012 (UTC)In researching information for the article on Kosi I stumbled on the Neo-Advaita article. I had just started reading Back to the Truth by Dennis Waite and it refers to Neo Advaita as negating the need of any practice and that an experience of the Self can be perceived as awakening. But Ramana Maharshi described this as an experience of reflective consciousness of the Self and not true liberation. I had been editing and researching the Kosi article a lot at that time and forgot that I added this to the Neo Advaita article based on what I was reading, and what I know of Ramana's teaching, but at that time I was not very familiar with the term Neo Advaita. I do remember that it seemed relevant to Kosi's teaching and I added that perspective to the article about Kosi. Then Neo Advaita subheading appeared on the Kosi article diff "10:32, 18 November 2012‎ Joshua Jonathan (talk | contribs)‎ . . (20,176 bytes) (+177)‎ . . (Re-ordered sections;a dded subheaders.)", which basically indicated Kosi's teaching was Neo Advaita, which changed the meaning of what I originally wrote, but after revisiting the Neo Advaita article it did seem feasible and I made changes to reflect that. But now this all seems to be a mute point, because after researching the term Neo Advaita in more depth, it is an incorrect designation for Kosi's teaching based on the definition that Neo-Advaita does not embrace the ancient Advaita Vedanta spiritual texts or practices, but instead only acknowledges the Self or the only Reality as defined in Back to the Truth by Dennis Waite.


 * Comment by Joshua Jonathan: The subheader "Neo-Advaita" was added to an already existing section of text stating that Kosi is not a Neo-Advaita teacher. It was previously called "Satsang". Before 16 november your draft contained a longer section on "neo-Advaita". First you wrote a section in the Kosi-draft on "Neo-Advaita". Then you moved this section to the Neo-Advaita article at 16 november. At 18 november I added subheaders to your Kosi-draft. And by that time you had forgotten that you moved a whole section to the Neo-Advaita article? That's a bad memory... Joshua Jonathan (talk) 06:55, 24 November 2012 (UTC)

Clerk, CheckUser, and/or patrolling admin comments

 * User:Truthisnow has been reported at WP:ANEW.--Bbb23 (talk) 16:05, 21 November 2012 (UTC)
 * I've blocked the master for a week for puppeting, and the socks indefinitely. Reaper Eternal (talk) 02:18, 4 December 2012 (UTC)