Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/IceFrappe/Archive

Suspected sockpuppets
Jamahiriya was just blocked for edit warring on over 100 articles about golf. Both Jamahiriya and IceFrappe have interests in Libya-related articles and sports. IceFrappe had a recent block in March and presumably made another account to avoid scrutiny.

Jamahiriya registering his account on June 14, while IceFrappe's last edit was on March 21. Jamahiriya seems to have a lot of experience editing for a new editor, including knowing about Wikipedia policies:. The way he lashed out is similar to IceFrappe (and resulted in a similar block):. IceFrappe meanwhile has had an account for at least fifteen years. Thepharoah17 (talk) 12:52, 22 July 2023 (UTC)

They both add content in a similar way e.g. on the page Saif al-Islam Gaddafi:. They both edit using visual edit. Thepharoah17 (talk) 12:58, 22 July 2023 (UTC)

IceFrappe was given a harsh warning About incivility on their talkpage here. Thepharoah17 (talk) 13:53, 22 July 2023 (UTC)

Both make pages about relatives of Gaddafi such as Sayyid Gaddaf al-Dam and Ahmed Gaddaf al-Dam. Thepharoah17 (talk) 13:53, 22 July 2023 (UTC)

They're both into sports such as golf, football, baseball and basketball; IceFrappe created the pages Ty Chandler as a redirect to Tyson Chandler. IceFrappe was blocked previously for edit warring on Carlos Delgado and was [warned about edit warring https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:IceFrappe&diff=prev&oldid=1081299761] on Colin Kaepernick. Thepharoah17 (talk) 13:53, 22 July 2023 (UTC)

Both make edits to politics:. Thepharoah17 (talk) 13:53, 22 July 2023 (UTC)

Comments by other users

 * Accused parties may also comment/discuss in this section below. See Defending yourself against claims.


 * IceFrappe is actively editing for a longer period than all three of us. Now with this new account he has stopped editing after this talk page notice that urged him to declare his accounts. IceFrappe's behavioral problems were recognized in March 2023 by a larger number of editors and this resulted in increased scrutiny of his edits. Jamahiriya was created to evade that scrutiny and since they have repeated the same behavior with their new account in the same topic area, I see this to be clear-cut WP:SOCK violation. If Jamahiriya is going to continue ignoring the message on his talk page then the result of this SPI should be indefinite block over both accounts. Aman Kumar Goel (Talk) 02:39, 25 July 2023 (UTC)
 * The WP:AN thread is now archived where Jamahiriya described this SPI as "falsely accused me of being a sockpuppet". This is obviously contrary to the WP:DUCK behavior highlighted on this SPI. Aman Kumar Goel (Talk) 03:20, 13 August 2023 (UTC)
 * AKG - briefly, I don't usually block accounts as socks when the original account isn't blocked and has apparently been abandoned. I'm not saying that they are or are not being disruptive, but if that is the case it should be addressed through the normal channels. Girth Summit  (blether)  09:02, 15 August 2023 (UTC)


 * Icefrappe was recently blocked thus he was not allowed to make WP:CLEANSTART by editing the same area with the newer account. He has been blocked on this new account as well. Aman Kumar Goel (Talk) 18:15, 21 August 2023 (UTC)

Clerk, CheckUser, and/or patrolling admin comments

 * IceFrappe isn't blocked, and hasn't edited for months, so this might have been a good faith WP:CLEANSTART account. However, they're editing in the same area, which would invalidate the cleanstart. I've asked them whether the accounts are connected - let's see what they say before taking any further action, but if it is the same person, I'd be satisfied if they declare it. Girth Summit  (blether)  14:19, 22 July 2023 (UTC)
 * - I have not read all the evidence yet, but I'm putting this on hold to see if Jamahiriya responds. Just editing the same areas is not necessarily problem for a clean start. But if the evidence is correct, there could be an issue with going back to previous problematic patterns. MarioGom (talk) 21:53, 17 August 2023 (UTC)
 * The account was not blocked at the time the new account was created. Blocks are not punitive, and admins have some discretionary margin to make judgement calls. used that discretionary margin to ask the user for explanations, and that is why I am putting this case on hold for a while to see what happens. Given that Jamahiriya is currently not editing, there is no disruption that needs to be stopped urgently, so there is no harm in waiting a bit for further developments. The result might be just blocking if nothing changes. MarioGom (talk) 18:25, 21 August 2023 (UTC)
 * No answer, so changing this back to open. The overlap on Libya, sports, Taiwan politics is quite compelling, but I could use a second opinion. Given the tendency to pick fights in the same areas, I don't think WP:CLEANSTART should be considered here. MarioGom (talk) 21:04, 25 August 2023 (UTC)
 * . I have come back to this case a few times without reaching a conclusion. IceFrappe is stale and Jamahiriya has not edited for over a month. If they come back to editing in a disruptive way, I would suggest trying another venue like WP:ANI again, or report again at SPI if there is new evidence. MarioGom (talk) 13:50, 17 September 2023 (UTC)