Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Igor the facetious xmas bunny/Archive

28 December 2014
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bunny exhibits all the markings of a banned acct here to disrupt WP. See especially this ANi and links off it for the craziness. IP 116 has three edits on the same three topics as User:Igor the facetious xmas bunny attempting to appear like another user. IP 161 is very interested in the same draft article and has been editing on Talk:Jimbo Wales along the same theme as bunny. There is a suggested link to Operahome here which is really interesting as bunny started deleting large blocks on a theoretical physicist Shaiwatna_Kupratakul tonight and the last several edits of U:Operahome were on Talk:Theoretical physics and a Macidonian theoretical physicist. Legacypac (talk) 12:36, 28 December 2014 (UTC)

See also this user requesting info on past accts as has User:AndytheGrump.

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Clearly 88.104.24.116 and Igor are the same person (though there was no attempt to hide this). No case has been made that the use of the IP was improper. Given that this account has just been indefinitely blocked and then successfully appealed the indefinite block.

It would be far more interesting to know which account this user previously edited under. See this version of his/her talk page. Assuming that his/her offer to reveal his/her previous account was followed through with, and the current account is not block evasion, then there is no reason to proceeed with an SPI.--  Toddy1 (talk) 12:52, 28 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Legacypac - please could you provide diffs of what you consider examples of the accounts being used abusively, and explain why you think they are abusive. It is not enough to point to him/her using IP accounts as well as his/her main account.--  Toddy1 (talk) 12:58, 28 December 2014 (UTC)

So, I made an edit as an IP - not a crime, as far as I am aware? And no, no attempt to hide it.

Good grief.

I'm not doing anything wrong. I already spoke to (an arbitrator) in confidence to 'prove' my preivious Wikiepdian ID. It's none of your business. I've done nothing wrong.

If you'd like a DNA sample, send me a swab. Igor the facetious xmas bunny (talk) 13:01, 28 December 2014 (UTC)

P.S. 183.86.209.161 was not me Igor the facetious xmas bunny (talk) 13:02, 28 December 2014 (UTC)


 * A clearer diff showing the socking of Igor and 88.104.24.116 can be found here. 88.104.24.116 posted a message on GorillaWarfare's talk page.  A moment later Igor changes the signature to his username.


 * IP GeoLocator (located at the bottom of each IP talk page) shows 88.104.24.116 is located in Manchester, England.


 * This edit in particular is particularly concerning. It shows Igor trying to game the system by acting like another user who is being supposedly wronged by Legacypac and I (or others).  See the ongoing ANI thread regarding more on that. -  Neutralhomer  •  Talk  • 12:40, 28 December 2014 (UTC)
 * IP GeoLocator for 183.86.209.161 shows the IP is located in Incheon, South Korea. I will leave that up to the clerks to decide (VPNs and all). -  Neutralhomer  •  Talk  • 13:08, 28 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Still learning this process, so bear with me. I've updated the report above (how many people on WP are fixated on both Macidonia and theoretical physics? Legacypac (talk) 13:14, 28 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Igor claims he "wasn't logged in" and he "had to reboot my PC and forgot to log in", but I don't buy it. There is a checkmark to stay signed in on the sign in screen.  Rebooting one's PC doesn't sign you out. -  Neutralhomer  •  Talk  • 13:17, 28 December 2014 (UTC)


 * 161 => bunny is a very clear behavioral path from the draft article to Jimbo's talk and here, but 161 is only 9 days old, so there has to be another acct before that because bunny did not get so familiar with WP in 10 days. Legacypac (talk) 13:21, 28 December 2014 (UTC)
 * I agree and Igor has said numerous times he has told GorillaWarfare his previous account(s). So GW needs to come clean on who this user previously was. -  Neutralhomer  •  Talk  • 13:25, 28 December 2014 (UTC)
 * No, she does not. Nobody needs to 'come clean'. GW can confirm I'm a user-in-good-standing, and not breaching any policies. And that's all their is to say about this.
 * SPI on my IP is meaningless; I've told ya it was my IP. Anything further is a pointless witch-hunt. Igor the facetious xmas bunny (talk) 13:36, 28 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Plus it is an obvious lie by bunny not to be 161. Legacypac (talk) 13:33, 28 December 2014 (UTC)
 * It is not a lie. I have never used IP 183.86.209.161.
 * That IP geolocates to Korea, ffs, and you've already said I'm in Manchester!
 * What will it take to convice you, Legacy? Would you like my phone number? Igor the facetious xmas bunny (talk) 13:39, 28 December 2014 (UTC)
 * And User:Igorigor123 is a suspected Sock of Globally banned User:Operahome, while Igor the bunny is running loose here. Same Igor? Legacypac (talk) 13:33, 28 December 2014 (UTC)
 * @Igor: Either she can say who you are or you can. You obviously aren't hear to do anything constructive.  All the times you have claimed to disengage from the various discussions, you come right back.  Knowing who you are and your previous editing record and block log would be very helpful.  Right now, your edits and actions show an editor who is here to edit unconstructively and cause problems.


 * IPs can be spoofed. My IP is currently showing I'm in Sweden...I live in the US.  So the IP from South Korea doesn't prove it isn't you.  It just proves that someone who is a behavior match for you edited from that IP.  Could have been you using a Virtual Private Network or you have a doppleganger. -  Neutralhomer  •  Talk  • 13:44, 28 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Sure, and it's possible the CIA have hypnotized Jimbo and drugged you to edit Wikipedia on behalf of Elvis. Maybe we're all in the matrix. If so, and if there's no way to tell, it really doesn't matter?


 * Even if I tell you my previous account, why would you believe that? Perhaps I hacked in to it.


 * What, exactly, are you hoping to achieve through your continued attempts to get me blocked? Igor the facetious xmas bunny (talk) 13:52, 28 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Maybe I'll believe it, maybe I won't. The point is, the information will be out there.  I'll believe it alot more from GW, though. -  Neutralhomer  •  Talk  • 13:57, 28 December 2014 (UTC)


 * This edit by Igor creates a link to Draft:Igor Janev. Sockpuppet investigations/Operahome/Archive shows that Operahome had a thing about creating an article on Igor Janev.  I think that is very good evidence that Igor is Operahome.--  Toddy1 (talk) 13:49, 28 December 2014 (UTC)
 * I checked the Operahome SPI and checked a few of the IPs used. Their GeoLocators vary from Europe to Asia, so the UK and South Korea IPs are still in play. -  Neutralhomer  •  Talk  • 13:57, 28 December 2014 (UTC)


 * Er, I made the account to work on the page. First thing I did was, note the links on my user page. If that's "good evidence", then I'm equally guilty of killing Kennedy. Igor the facetious xmas bunny (talk) 13:54, 28 December 2014 (UTC)


 * This [draft article] says "Igor Janev (Macedonian:... was the Special Adviser of the Minister of Foreign Affairs of the Republic of Macedonia." and claims were made that Igor Janev was/is an Ambassador. Here we find https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Suspected_Wikipedia_sockpuppets_of_Operahome User:Ambassador.MFA.RM and User:MFA.RM (looks like Minister of Foreign Affairs: Rep of Macedonia), User:Nac.Sec.Adv looks like an Advisor title, User:Republika.Makedonija (local spelling of country). Seems like the banned accts and the current Igor and the subject of Igor Janev are all the same. Legacypac (talk) 13:57, 28 December 2014 (UTC)
 * @Igor: Actually, no. Your first edit was this.  There were a few others minor edits in the sandbox, then this on Jimbo's talk page.  Then, you edited your userpage.  Remember, we can see your edits. :) -  Neutralhomer  •  Talk  • 14:01, 28 December 2014 (UTC)

Legacypac, Leave Him Alone. You got into a ruccus on WP:ANI and going at him again won't help your case. T F { Contribs } 13:59, 28 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Actually, if you note Toddy1's post above, Legacypac is doing a pretty damned good job of sniffing out a sock of globally-blocked User:Operahome. -  Neutralhomer •  Talk  • 14:03, 28 December 2014 (UTC)

Macadonian Wikipedia https://hr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Igor_Janev clearly says "Macedonian diplomat" and "Igor Janev was Special Advisor to the Minister of Foreign Affairs of the Republic of Macedonia 2001- 2002"  these accts all are linked, likely trying to put himself on English WP in the most stupid way possible. Legacypac (talk) 14:05, 28 December 2014 (UTC)
 * This is a false scent though. Honest.
 * I guess I have no way to convince you, but I guess I'm unlikely to get blocked right now so... I'll just carry on doing my own thing, and hope sense prevails. Good luck with the witch-hunt, but please be careful about collateral damage (like me, for example). Igor the facetious xmas bunny (talk) 14:09, 28 December 2014 (UTC)

@Jeho yep, thanks, will do.

@Legacy - you're in the wrong section down there. That's for "Clerk, CheckUser, and/or patrolling admin comments" see? And... 'stale' as in they've not edited for months. Checkuser data (the IP and the useragent) are only stored for about 3 months. It's nothing to do with whether they're 'globally banned' or not. None of which matters, because CU won't report on IP linkage anyway. Igor the facetious xmas bunny (talk) 14:18, 28 December 2014 (UTC)

This user peaked my interest, I can honestly say after going through his contribs for the last 90 mins that he is not a banned user but someone who has been editing wiki as an IP (multiple IP's) for a while now so probably not a sock but has been part of the WP:ANI section and wikipedia as a whole and fixing articles since last year..I won't post more information cause its not really important..lets stop this witch hunt, 2 checkusers have confirmed he is not a sock, lets stop pushing this.-- Stemoc 14:34, 28 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks for looking but I see compelling behavioral evidence of socking, and you just confirmed multiple IPs. Please do better than that - tell us you looked into the confirmed socks. Legacypac (talk) 14:40, 28 December 2014 (UTC)
 * I would like to hear what a CU says about any connections between the Operahome CU and this one. Plus, as you know, SPIs aren't just about CUs, but about behavioral evidence (ie: DUCK). -  Neutralhomer  •  Talk  • 14:43, 28 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Multiple in the sense, Dynamic. A CU on me can pull up over 300 IPs this year alone...I doubt the Opera account is even remotely related to this one..again, this witch hunt is probably not the best way to solve this....-- Stemoc 14:51, 28 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Same here and from different countries too (I use a VPN). But I'm not concerned with your IPs or mine, I'm concerned with Igor's.  With all due respect, your doubts doesn't really say, conclusively, if Igor is a sock of Operahome or not.  Only a CU or a CU clerk can make that conclusion.  As for yet, none have. -  Neutralhomer  •  Talk  • 14:55, 28 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Yes, only a CU can but Igor is british, Operahome is serbian so any CU will conclude what i have said above, its very "Unlikely"..The IP mentioned by Legacy is indeed serbian. The CU will also find that the last known IP used by Operahome is [77.234.45.130]...Igor randomly chose an article to edit and everything that followed then to me is actually a coincidence ..-- Stemoc 15:32, 28 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Actually the IPs used by Operahome were all over the map...literally. There wasn't just Serbian ones used, but Czech, German, and others across Europe.  Even some Asian IPs were used by Operahome.  This is done by a Virtual Private Network.  I use one, currently my IP shows out of Singapore (used Sweden earlier).


 * I don't buy that Igor just found his way to a draft of an article that was previously editor by a globally-blocked user. -  Neutralhomer •  Talk  • 15:52, 28 December 2014 (UTC)


 * I don't buy this either. So how about https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/79.101.88.30 a Belgrade IP interacting simpathetically with bunny on Jimbo''s talk, then edits the same draft article? Legacypac (talk) 15:56, 28 December 2014 (UTC)


 * The 88 IP places Igor in Manchester. That's not a proxy or similar, it's a simple Tiscali home account.  So if Igor is Operahome, he's moved from Serbia to the UK.  I'd say it's probably not, hm? Black Kite (talk) 16:24, 28 December 2014 (UTC)
 * ...or he is using a VPN. Some VPNs use regular IPs, not proxies.  I can use a US IP, which is actually a Verizon IP.  I can use a Sky IP out of the UK.
 * VPNs and IPs aside, people do go on vacation, ya know. -  Neutralhomer •  Talk  • 16:34, 28 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Aye, but it doesn't explain why, having revealed his previous ID to GorillaWarfare, she unblocked, does it? Black Kite (talk) 17:06, 28 December 2014 (UTC)

Updated and condensed report
 * Confirmed SOCK of Operahome blacked on Dec 19 with: Created another article about Igor Janev on Talk:Igor Janev, the article page being salted. I have moved it to Draft:Igor Janev pending advice whether to speedy. JohnCD (talk) 15:40, 19 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Confirmed SOCK of Operahome blacked on Dec 19 with: Created another article about Igor Janev on Talk:Igor Janev, the article page being salted. I have moved it to Draft:Igor Janev pending advice whether to speedy. JohnCD (talk) 15:40, 19 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Confirmed SOCK of Operahome blacked on Dec 19 with: Created another article about Igor Janev on Talk:Igor Janev, the article page being salted. I have moved it to Draft:Igor Janev pending advice whether to speedy. JohnCD (talk) 15:40, 19 December 2014 (UTC)


 * (Korea)
 * 11:45, 25 December 2014 (diff | hist) . . (+1,150)‎ . . N Draft:Igor Janev ‎ (Igor Janev Draft art.) (just one minor edit before this.)
 * 10:20, 27 December 2014 (diff | hist) . . (+64)‎ . . Draft:Igor Janev ‎ (Submission)
 * 17:04, 27 December 2014 (diff | hist) . . (+651)‎ . . User talk:Becky Sayles ‎ (→‎Draft:Igor Janev: new section) (to complain about rejection)
 * 17:34, 27 December 2014 (diff | hist) . . (+1,056)‎ . . User talk:Jimbo Wales ‎ (→‎Happy Holydays and the New Year 2015!: new section) (to complain about review process)
 * 20:46, 27 December 2014 (diff | hist) . . (+24)‎ . . Wikipedia:WikiProject Articles for creation/Help desk ‎ (→‎17:08:39, 27 December 2014 review of submission by 183.86.209.161: Draft:Igor Janev) (requesting another review)
 * 21:48, 27 December 2014 (diff | hist) . . (+89)‎ . . User talk:Becky Sayles ‎ (→‎Draft:Igor Janev: Cyrillic alphabet) (last edit on this ip)


 * which is also likely
 * 01:10, 28 December 2014 commenting on 161's post on Jimbo's page


 * 01:19, 28 December 2014 (diff | hist) . . (+835)‎ . . User talk:Becky Sayles ‎(first edit with this acct)
 * 01:31, 28 December 2014 (diff | hist) . . (+560)‎ . . User talk:Jimbo Wales ‎ (→‎Happy Holydays and the New Year 2015!: baz) (many edits here)
 * 01:35, 28 December 2014 (diff | hist) . . (+330)‎ . . N User:Igor the facetious xmas bunny ‎ (linx) (to the Igor Janev draft)
 * 02:09, 28 December 2014 says "I made this account so that, in 4 days, I can copy the article live. Not to really make a point, but because - having discussed the specific case - I feel a need to give it a fair try."
 * 09:54, 28 December 2014 (diff | hist) . . (-727)‎ . . Shaiwatna Kupratakul ‎ (remove some irrelevence and unref'd) (Tag: section blanking) - (a theoretical physicist article, his other favorite topic) (as part of a disruptive run around trying to prove a WP:POINT)
 * 09:54, 28 December 2014 (diff | hist) . . (-727)‎ . . Shaiwatna Kupratakul ‎ (remove some irrelevence and unref'd) (Tag: section blanking) - (a theoretical physicist article, his other favorite topic) (as part of a disruptive run around trying to prove a WP:POINT)


 * (Belgrade)
 * 09:47, 28 December 2014 (diff | hist) . . (+602)‎ . . User talk:Jimbo Wales ‎ (→‎Happy Holydays and the New Year 2015!: send e mail to Macedonian Emigration Agency to verify his status) (24 of 27 edits all in the same day, all on the same Igor Janev topic on Jimbo's talk)
 * 13:10, 28 December 2014 (diff | hist) . . (+2,087)‎ . . Draft:Igor Janev ‎ (→‎Footnotes: add notes) (plus edited that draft)

Regardless of where IPs geolocate, this has to be the same user. No way one user/ip just stumbled into the same course of action from one account to the next. Legacypac (talk) 16:55, 28 December 2014 (UTC)


 * Yes way, sorry. It's true.


 * I'm in Manchester. No proxy, no VPN. I just live here. Is all.


 * And yes, I just came across the article.


 * Sorry to kill your conspiracy theory. Igor the facetious xmas bunny (talk) 17:28, 28 December 2014 (UTC)

My final conclusion:: After a lot of reading and comparing, I now believe that Igor likely choose his name based on the Igor Janov article he planned to make trouble over. Igor's command of English is consistent with a British resident, much better then the Korea or Belgrade IPs. I'll concede he is not a sock of Operahome but he is definitely a sock of someone and up to no good. Likely someone familiar with the the Operhome case at least. He sees all this as a big game to amuse himself by wasting everyone else's time over the holidays.

The Korean IP is very likely the next version of Operahome, clearing using VPN or something and definitely not writing like any Korean. 79.101.88.30 (Belgrade) is extrememly familier with Igor Janev and the intracies of this article and sock history, very likely another version of Operahome but I don't have access to Operahome's edits to compare. Legacypac (talk) 19:57, 28 December 2014 (UTC)

Clerk, CheckUser, and/or patrolling admin comments
Has Operahome edited in the last 90 days? If not this request is probably stale. Check user isn't needed to identify ducks. By behavior I have an idea who this editor is but I don't think they are banned, unless I'm wrong. Igor, try to stop upsetting everybody and you'll be fine. Jehochman Talk 14:13, 28 December 2014 (UTC)
 * I don't know about Global SPIs (I don't have Global access) but here on English Wiki, the last SPI was on December 19, 2014, which was 9 days ago. The result was a couple socks blocked, the Igor Janev SALTed, and the article page moved to Draft:Igor Janev. -  Neutralhomer  •  Talk  • 14:20, 28 December 2014 (UTC)

Operahome is globally (across all wiki) indefinitely banned, so no this is not stale. Legacypac (talk) 14:14, 28 December 2014 (UTC)


 * The check user tool only has 90 days of data. When was Operahome locked?  What's the date of their last edit? Jehochman Talk 14:17, 28 December 2014 (UTC)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/Operahome/Archive#19_December_2014 last edit under the previous sock blocked was Dec 19. First edit under IP 183.86.209.161 was Dec 19, right after the last block. Legacypac (talk) 14:31, 28 December 2014 (UTC)


 * In that case, it should be technically possible to run a check. I suspect that the result will be negative, but if a Checkuser is willing to confirm it, the information may be helpful to reduce disruption on Wikipedia. Jehochman Talk 15:09, 28 December 2014 (UTC)

Fellow clerks: please do not merge this report with the Operahome case for the time being. Thanks.--Bbb23 (talk) 15:52, 28 December 2014 (UTC)
 * - Declined, the arbitration committee is aware of who this user is, and it is not operahome. (or any other related listed accounts) NativeForeigner Talk 03:26, 29 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Nothing to do here. Bbb23 (talk) 06:07, 29 December 2014 (UTC)