Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Illyrian5999/Archive

Suspected sockpuppets
Illyrian5999 is a relatively new redlonked account that edits Albanian military history articles from a nationalistic POV (particularly List of wars involving Albania and Albanian-Greek Border War). The account also pushes a "pro-Illyrian" POV at Siege of Pelium. The redlinked account NormalguyfromUK (a rather typical sock name), edits the same exact articles with the same exact POV, including Siege of Pelium. Albanianhistorian2 appears to be an SPA for the purposes of pushing POV at List of wars involving Albania and Siege of Pelium. A CU would be useful in establishing whether these are the same person. Khirurg (talk) 19:54, 4 June 2023 (UTC)

Comments by other users

 * Accused parties may also comment/discuss in this section below. See Defending yourself against claims.

I would like to add that "NormalguyfromUK" changed his username from "Albanian 7" back in early February, which is similar to "Albanianhistorian2", who also has an ethnic designation for his username. A CU should also check "GermanManFromFrankfurt" and "Based.shqiptar.frompirok". Both of these usernames are semantically similar to the username "NormalguyfromUK", and they have all identified as Albanian.

Normal-guy-from-UK

German-Man-From-Frankfurt

Based-shqiptar-from-pirok

In addition to that, all three accounts focus almost exclusively on topics that have to do with Albanian military history. Also, the Editor Interaction Analyser shows that their activity overlaps in almost 100 articles, with many being very obscure. Beside potential similarities between the aforementioned accounts, a CU should also check for potential similarities with other accounts in the system. I say this because, in many of these articles that they all edit, there are some dozen other new (or relatively new) accounts that also focus exclusively on articles about Albanian military history. It's not normal for so many accounts to focus exclusively on a single subject, which indicates that they are either an organized group from outside Wikipedia, or that many are socks. 37.6.165.182 (talk) 06:15, 5 June 2023 (UTC)

There's serious off wiki coordination going on if nothing else. Also all are keen on info box edits, especially this Initial Albanian victory type fiddle in the result parameter Gugrak (talk) 18:10, 6 June 2023 (UTC) Blocked sock. Horse Eye&#39;s Back (talk) 16:19, 7 June 2023 (UTC)


 * How am I a sockpuppet? There already was an investigation regarding this about me and the user "Based.shqiptar.frompirok" and the result clearly stated that I'm not a sockpuppet. Nevertheless I welcome another check, because it will have the same result as in the previous investiation. You also mentioned that I'm only editing things about Albanian Military history, which again is not true. I created regions, villages, tribes and other things regarding Albanian history, geography and culture. This is obviously because I'm part Albanian myself. GermanManFromFrankfurt (talk) 19:04, 6 June 2023 (UTC)


 * I didn't say that you only edit articles that have to do with Albanian military history, but that you all "focus almost exclusively on topics that have to do with Albanian military history." Anyone can do a cursory examination of your edit history, and will see that you do indeed focus (not entirely) on articles about Albanian military history. Also, I didn't say you are a sock. I said that you might be one, or alternatively, that you are part of an off-wiki group that also includes "Based.shqiptar.frompirok" and "NormalguyfromUK". It's interesting that you didn't deny it. So please, tell us if there is any off-wiki coordination between the three of you, and potentially others as well? I also find it interesting that your former username was "Karadakli230", and you changed it to "GermanManFromFrankfurt" exactly one month after "NormalguyfromUK". It appears like you both discussed it and decided that you wait a month instead of making the request simultaneously, to make it appear less suspicious. Do you really think that these new usernames you both chose, which have the same semantics, or the fact that your activities overlap in so many obscure articles and even drafts, appear less suspicious? What is your relationship with these accounts? 37.6.165.238 (talk) 05:34, 7 June 2023 (UTC)


 * Can you also check "Edison18273"? It is an active account with only 87 edits, that also focuses exclusively on articles about Albanian military history, identifies as an Albanian, and despite the few edits, the Editor Interaction Analyser already shows significant overlap with the activity of the three aforementioned accounts.


 * Overlap in 28 articles with GermanManFromFrankfurt


 * Overlap in 19 articles with NormalguyfromUK


 * Overlap in 18 articles with Based.shqiptar.frompirok


 * It is also interesting that it doesn't show any overlap with the accounts of Group 1 and Group 2, but only with those of Group 3 (19 articles with NormalguyfromUK and one article with Polalb 2). 37.6.165.238 (talk) 05:38, 7 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Edison18273 does not appear to be socking based on CU evidence. Dreamy Jazz talk to me &#124; my contributions 10:20, 7 June 2023 (UTC)
 * I want to clarify that I have absolutely no off-wiki connection to the accounts you mentioned. Occasionally, I come across those accounts in the history of wiki pages that I edit. The reason I changed my name from Karadakli230 to GermanManFromFrankfurt was not to imitate 'NormalguyfromUK,' but rather because I was born and currently live in Frankfurt, Germany. Additionally, my maternal side is German. It's actually quite funny that you suspect me of being a sockpuppet of 'NormalguyfromUK,' considering that my account is older and that there has already been an investigation started by Gugrak, who has been proven to be a sockpuppet himself. The investigation clearly concluded that I am not a sockpuppet. Nevertheless as I already mentioned I welcome every Check to proof that I'm not a Sockpuppet. GermanManFromFrankfurt (talk) 21:52, 7 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Again, i didn't say you are a sock, but that you could be, based on the existing evidence. Also, just because you might not be a sockpuppet or a sockmaster, it doesn't mean you are not a meatpuppet. There is more evidence that indicates off-wiki communication that i haven't shared, but this SPI report is not the place to do it. I also just noticed that there was indeed an SPI on you some months ago, that i wasn't aware of, and even though no sockpuppetry was established, even the admin/CU considered off-wiki communication as very likely . Anyway, let's let the admins finish with this SPI. 37.6.165.170 (talk) 06:36, 8 June 2023 (UTC)

Clerk, CheckUser, and/or patrolling admin comments

 * Group 1 ✅ to each other:


 * Group 2 ✅ to each other:


 * Group 3 ✅ to each other:
 * Dreamy Jazz talk to me &#124; my contributions 22:35, 5 June 2023 (UTC)


 * Group 1 and Group 3 geolocate to the same country. Group 2 geolocates to the same continent. Dreamy Jazz talk to me &#124; my contributions 22:39, 5 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Are those related to ? Is there some way to check it?  Vanjagenije  (talk)  22:50, 6 June 2023 (UTC)
 * @Vanjagenije, historical CU data for Albanian Historian says that Albanian Historian is in a different country to any account listed here. This was from 2016, so it is possible that a person would have moved country in that time. Dreamy Jazz talk to me &#124; my contributions 10:10, 7 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Per the groupings listed. UtherSRG (talk) 17:39, 17 June 2023 (UTC)
 * UtherSRG (talk) 17:40, 17 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Splitting per those groups for archive may be advisable. - UtherSRG (talk) 17:41, 17 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Created split reports at Sockpuppet investigations/NormalguyfromUK and Sockpuppet investigations/Albanianhistorian123. MarioGom (talk) 22:23, 12 July 2023 (UTC)