Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/InfoHistoric23/Archive

Suspected sockpuppets
So, I've identified these two editors operating in similar areas (Portraying the Pakistan military in a favorable light), both creating pages on events that might not or maybe borderline meet the WP:N and citing not-so WP:RS. They do include inline citations, but the content can't always be verified. Other editors have repeatedly warned them on their talk pages as well. Given that they're editing contentious topics and historical events, it's crucial to ensure the accuracy of the history presented. Additionally, both editors have been seen editing each other's userpages to add infoboxes. If someone moves their pages to the draft NS, they often move them back to the main NS after making some minor tweaks. I'm fairly new to NPP and that's how I stumbled upon these two editors and I've never contributed in the areas where they contribute, so I'm unsure if there have been any previous sockpuppetry issues. who might have something to add to this discussion. — Saqib ( talk  |  contribs ) 15:02, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
 * I have something to add. On the social media app such as TikTok, there are Afghan and Pakistani nationalists who like to fight and argue with eachother. One way they do this is by making edits. To make these edits, they use Wikipedia pages and the info box which may say “Pakistani victory” or “Afghan victory”. I suspect this may be the case. In the 1986 Miran Shah incident page, Waleed listed it as a Pakistani victory despite the fact the mujahideen factions involved were from Gorbez, the Haqqani network and some were even Kochi nomads. AfghanParatrooper19891 (talk) 10:05, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
 * AfghanParatrooper19891, Fascinating. Could you provide more details about what's happening on TikTok? @Dreamy Jazz, I'm not sure if you're willing to, but for the sake of keeping historical facts accurate, could you conduct some behavioral investigation? If what AfghanParatrooper19891 claims is true, this situation is really messed up because, as I feared earlier, it might distort history. — Saqib ( talk  I  contribs ) 10:19, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
 * It’s everywhere trust me. These edits usually have some sort of phonk music playing in the background as well as screenshots from Wikipedia pages which may say things like “Pakistani victory” or “Afghan victory”. They are made to taunt people who may oppose either country, but either way most of them are hateful.
 * Sometimes we have things such as this:
 * –https://vm.tiktok.com/ZGeQcgPh6/
 * – https://vm.tiktok.com/ZGeQcpk7V/ (this one is an extremely great example) AfghanParatrooper19891 (talk) 11:55, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
 * No brother, I am not painting Pakistani military in a positive light, my political opinions are not well pro military but this incident is a Pakistani victory not the second battle of Zhawar mentioned by @AfghanParatrooper19891 Waleed  (talk) 15:26, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
 * That's the second battle of Zhawar and that's a soviet victory not it's spillover in Pakistan. Waleed  (talk) 15:24, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
 * How is it a Pakistani victory if the Afghan mujahideen did a bulk of the fighting and captured the commandos? In the source, it states Pakistani only sent a few officers and two were wounded when trying to take down aircraft with English blowpipes. Jalaluddin Haqqani is Afghan, the Haqqani network started out as an Afghan terror group, Kochi mujahids are Kochi nomads from Afghanistan, and Gorbez mujahideen are additionally from Afghanistan. AfghanParatrooper19891 (talk) 16:52, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
 * AfghanParatrooper19891, @M Waleed, Please steer clear of discussing content disputes on this page. — Saqib ( talk  I  contribs ) 17:15, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
 * @Saqib, brother make it clear to him that the one he's mentioning has a separate article Second Battle of Zhawar Waleed  (talk) 00:13, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
 * I've replied on draft page, the page isn't about Second Battle of Zhawar but it's an incident that happened during the battle across the Durand line Waleed  (talk) 00:12, 11 May 2024 (UTC)

Comments by other users

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(Bystander comment for closing admin/clerks) InfoHistoric was blocked for repeated copyright violations a week or so ago, but when I was going through their edits I also noticed the M Waleed thing- specifically, I noticed that they'd uploaded several articles on behalf of M Waleed. There's your evidence of off-Wiki coordination/account sharing-lite. GreenLipstickLesbian (talk) 23:05, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
 * M Waleed is also prone to making articles in Pakistan’s favour. He isolated an incident which was the most integral part of the joint DRA-Soviet operation in the Second Battle of Zhawar and gave it its own article titled “1986 Miran Shah incident”, later listing it as a Pakistani victory despite the fact it was a Mujahideen victory. Even then, the DRA-Soviet force won the Second Battle of Zhawar and the incident did not need its own article. M Waleed’s articles have additionally been used on TikTok for what could be called “nationalist edits” (they essentially screenshot the infobox result category). Additionally, M Waleed has lied in his Wikipedia articles but added four sources (the Wikipedia citations) to make it appear as if they were strongly backed by numerous sources. When I checked these sources, what he wrote was not in these sources he used. AfghanParatrooper19891 (talk) 12:53, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
 * @AfghanParatrooper19891, I don't have a tik tok account and I'm unaware of the use of my articles and moreover I listed Pakistani victory because the incident happened in Pakistan and the helicopters are in Pakistan, one of em is in display in Rawalpindi where I live. So I assumed that Pakistanis had captured that Waleed  (talk) 04:56, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Let’s not discuss content disputes here. You are being accused of having sock puppets but in “https://en.m.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:M_Waleed&diff=prev&oldid=1221892736&title=User%3AM_Waleed&diffonly=1” you state that this is a friend who is uploading articles on your behalf. Is this true? AfghanParatrooper19891 (talk) 10:24, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Yes brother,indeed it's true but I didn't know at that time that even having off wiki connections with a fellow editor was prohibited. Moreover he is my friend but I swear on the name of Allah that we don't belong to any organisation that you've previously alleged. That person is an Indian from west Bengal. Moreover his account is now blocked due to copyright violations. We aren't a singular person nor do we've some "backing" from any organisation. Hope you'll understand that I wasn't previously aware of this policy and I thought sock puppetry involved only second accounts and fake IPs Waleed  (talk) 12:34, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
 * How come he’s edited your userboxes on your profile? AfghanParatrooper19891 (talk) 14:58, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
 * I've told you about off wiki links Waleed  (talk) 15:54, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
 * M Waleed additionally omits information from his Wikipedia articles, mentioning the deaths of Afghan refugees but conveniently leaving out the deaths of Pakistani civilians. AfghanParatrooper19891 (talk) 10:21, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Couldn't find any source for Pakistani civilian deaths Waleed  (talk) 16:14, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
 * M Waleed & AfghanParatrooper19891, Reminder; steer clear of discussing content disputes on this page. — Saqib  ( talk  I  contribs ) 16:21, 30 May 2024 (UTC)

Khotanese26 has now been blocked for copyright violations and, based on the evidence here & similarities in behaviour, block evasion. GreenLipstickLesbian (talk) 00:51, 28 May 2024 (UTC)

Clerk, CheckUser, and/or patrolling admin comments

 * Dreamy Jazz talk to me &#124; my contributions 10:03, 9 May 2024 (UTC)


 * looks ❌, however, InfoHistoric23 seems to be using proxies so this could be an link. The editing of each other's userpages suggests some level of off-wiki coordination at least. Dreamy Jazz talk to me &#124; my contributions 10:11, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Closing with a warning to M Waleed about off-wiki coordination. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 18:51, 11 July 2024 (UTC)