Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Interestedinfairness/Archive

Report date July 8 2009, 19:06 (UTC)

 * Suspected sockpuppets


 * Evidence submitted by User:Athenean

The Mr.Neutral account is created only hours after IIF's most recent edit, yet immediately jumps in the fray and seems thoroughly familiar with wikipedia procedures. He shares the same interests as IIF, namely the obsesseion with Kosovo as a country. The tone and writing style are similar, and even the username is similar. Lastly, the removal of this block notice and warning from IIF's page by a seemingly brand new user is suspiscious to say the least. --Athenean (talk) 19:06, 8 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Comments by accused parties    See Defending yourself against claims.


 * Comments by other users


 * In this edit Mr. Neutral asks User:Metrospex to "hurry up and come back as Interestedinfairness". This seems a little bit suspect. Chillum  19:17, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

Requested by Athenean (talk) 19:06, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
 * CheckUser requests

Additional information needed: Please provide a code letter. SPCUClerkbot (talk) 19:06, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Clerk, patrolling admin and checkuser comments


 * Pretty straightforward DUCK block here, but given the nationalist milieu a CU to confirm and look for sleepers would be helpful. Nathan  T 19:36, 8 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Conclusions
 * . Nishkid64 (Make articles, not wikidrama) 19:50, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
 * User already blocked. Tiptoety  talk 20:40, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

Report date 10 July 2009, 07:38 (UTC) (UTC)

 * Suspected sockpuppets

--Athenean (talk) 07:38, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Evidence submitted by User:Athenean
 * User:Interestedinfairness, already blocked 72 hours for edit warring.
 * That same day, the 68.187 IP posts this on the Talk:Kosovo, where he is pushing the same "Kosovo is a disputed country" meme that User:Interestedinfairness was before he got blocked . The IP is still pushing the "disputed country" meme as of July 12.
 * Next, the 86.138 IP posts the following rant on Talk:Kosovo, again pushing the same meme and demanding "So why couldn't anyone answer Interestedinfairness's question?".  Also note the insistence on the validity of Noel Malcolm as a source, which Interestedinfairness was also insistant on, as evidenced in the talkpage.  The style and tone are also highly reminiscent of Ineterstedinfairness.
 * Suspecting this IP is a sock, I remove the post from the talkpage.
 * Tellingly, Interestedinfairness rails that I defaced Talk:Kosovo with my removal.
 * Immediately after my removal, the 92.2 IP posts the following, which is again highly reminiscent of Interestedinfairness. Same style, same use of quotes, same obsession against user:dab as the 86.138 and interestedinfairness himself.  The brand new IP also picks up the argument where it left off.
 * Interestedinfairness is indef blocked by User:Tiptoety on 8 July for socking through the Mr.Neutral account.
 * On 9 July, the User:Tibetian account is created. This account shows familiarity with wikipedia procedures and jumps right into the fray on Talk:Kosovo and Adem Jashari.  The interest in the same articles is particularly suspicious.
 * He also shares the same obsession against User:Dbachmann (a.k.a dab) as interestedinfairness and the 92.2 IP.
 * Other users are also certain that Tibetian is a sock.
 * Note: Tibetian still active as of 11 July.
 * Tibetian is now gloating and taunting me on my talkpage regarding this sock investigation . Why would a brand new user do or be interested in such a thing?


 * Comments by accused parties    See Defending yourself against claims.


 * I was indeed blocked indefinitely for alleged sock puppetry. The blocking user forwarded the case to user:Nishkid64, who said of the accusations here; "Well, they both come from the same general location, but there's hundreds of active WP editors coming from that area. Judging by the shared MO, I believe it's Possible that the two are the same, but then again, it could easily be someone else.


 * "Mr.Tibet" is another false user created to deface my image on Wikipedia. Our IP's are not the same, I only operate one account on Wikipedia. Furthermore, the same users keep accusing me time and time again even after the evidence has been judged inconclusive to say the least.

Furthermore, the topic ban proposals instigated by a group of like-minded users has nothing to do with this case.

Also, I'd like to note that my comment was moved from the "comments by accused parties" to "comments by other users".

Interestedinfairness (talk) 23:45, 10 July 2009 (UTC)


 * I strongly support User Interestedinfairness and it makes me worry he got into troubles because of people thinking he is me or me being he or what else. Neither did he create my account to have a sock, nor did I create this account to impersonate him. --Tibetian (talk) 11:22, 12 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Comments by other users
 * First I have supported banning this user from Kosovo-related topics as he has shown a complete disregard for what others said. As I posted on WP:AN, the biggest incident was just too much. After a marathon discussion in the Talk:Kosovo page, Interestedinfairness realized that there was no consensus to call Kosovo a country in the lead sentence, but changed it anyways (link), just because he "knows" this to be a fact and nothing else matters.


 * Not only has he crossed the line on the Kosovo article, but many others as well. The Illyrians article also fell victim to Interestedinfairness' POV pushing, which earned him a third block, this time for 72 hours. 12 hours after this user was blocked, another user, was created and continued "defending Interestedinfairness' views" on the Kosovo talk page. He even went on to give Interestedinfairness a little barn star :P Later proven to be a sockpuppet, and Interestedinfairness was blocked indefinitely, as he should've been. However, User:Prodego decided to unblock him, because Interestedinfairness asked him to. That was the reason he has given, no other.


 * At first, I thought a topic-ban would be enough, but now that he has resorted to sockpuppetry, which is a severe offence on Wikipedia, nothing less than an indefinite block for him and all his sockpuppets is acceptable. His most recent puppet and IP strategy just shows that he'll stop at nothing to get what he wants. Enough. Block him. -- Cin é ma C  23:39, 10 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Oh, and I just noticed that he continued edit-warring on Adem Jashari, and Kosovo Province, Ottoman Empire , despite these discussions and actions taking place against his POV pushing and sockpuppetry. What else do I say. -- Cin é ma C 23:42, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

Requested by Athenean (talk) 07:38, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
 * CheckUser requests


 * Clerk, patrolling admin and checkuser comments
 * The 92* and 86* IPs are from the United Kingdom and the 68* IP is from the USA. The account name "Interestedinfairness" seems to indicate a returning user, but I would like some clarification on the geolocation issue before deciding whether or not to endorse the CU.  MBisanz  talk 02:51, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: Interestedinfairness' edit pattern makes me think he is almost certainly located in the UK time zone, so this reinforces my suspicions that the 92* and 86* IPs are him.  The 68* may not be him after all, so I would be fine with removing it from the investigation.  --Athenean (talk) 04:09, 13 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Endorsing due to the chronological patterns of the two users. -- Avi (talk) 05:35, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Conclusions
 * and seem to be ❌ to each other
 * is to be any of the mentioned IPs.
 * As usual, this was determined using technical evidence only. -- Luk  talk 06:23, 13 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Could this be because the result if he were using dynamic IPs?
 * Nope, different ISPs. -- Luk  talk 08:18, 13 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Thank you, Luk. Besides, my English is by far not as good as his one, so I wonder how they could mix up both of us. --Tibetian (talk) 09:00, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

I am not sure why this usercheck was even accepted, I tend to get told WP:DUCK in such cases. As I have told Athenean, Interestedinfairness and Tibetian are clearly unrelated. It is nevertheless clear that Tibetian is a throwaway account used by a retunring troll, possibly. So seeing that you are already using usercheck on this account, it may be worth digging for its relation to earlier Kosovo trolls.

In my opinion, though, this is already in violation of WP:DENY. Trolling accounts like Tibetian should be blocked under the arbcom probation as they come in without giving them the honour of being made into a full-fledged "case". --dab (𒁳) 11:18, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
 * CU results pertaining to this case have been posted at . Nishkid64 (Make articles, not wikidrama) 18:42, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

I'm going to say that this is probably closed now. At least three checkusers (that I know of) have looked at this case, and they all said Interestedinfairness is not related. Also, per Luk's comments about the IPs. J.delanoy gabs adds 05:37, 15 July 2009 (UTC)