Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Itisme3248/Archive

Suspected sockpuppets
Itisme324 is involved in a dispute at Talk:Pederasty in ancient Greece‎. A central pillar of their argument is that primary sources should be analysed and discussed through WP:OR in articles, in direct contravention of WP:PRIMARY. (e.g. "None of the sources in this page actually cite direct ancient Greek text evidence and etymology", "Where is the explanation...that actually uses and shows ancient texts as evidence?", "What about the "sources" that dont include any actual sources of ancient Greek texts? What's the point of having a wiki page about ancient Greek homosexuality if there are no ancient Greek texts being cited?" (on their talk page).

Peirapus created their account at 19:05 UTC, 26 April. Within 16 minutes, they had got involved in the article dispute with extremely similar edit summaries, e.g. "primary sources are much more reliable than secondary", "Please do not hide primary sources in order to feed your narative." AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 22:28, 26 April 2023 (UTC)

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Clerk, CheckUser, and/or patrolling admin comments

 * is the best I can do from a technical standpoint. Mz7 (talk) 21:59, 28 April 2023 (UTC)
 * It's suspicious but between the weak CU result and brief editing history of the second account, I don't see enough evidence to take action at this time. Spicy (talk) 22:44, 30 May 2023 (UTC)

Suspected sockpuppets
Itisme324 was involved in an edit dispute at Cypriot Greek, as well as some discussion regarding this edit dispute in Talk:Cypriot Greek.

Specifically, the edit dispute involves the removal of a referenced statement that "More loanwords are in everyday use than in Standard Modern Greek."

I have requested the opinion of a third party via WP:30, which confirmed that the citation supporting the statement above is up to the standards of Wikipedia, and if there is any doubt or controversy behind this statement, it should be discussed in the Talk page and a consensus should be reached rather than removing the sentence outright because it is not up to the individual editor's standards.

Since this sentence has been repeatedly removed both by User:Itisme3248 as well as by User:2a00:23c8:9883:2601:9d8e:f413:6e25:5df8, this gives me reason to believe that these two are the same user.

Additionally, since User:2a00:23c8:9883:2601:9d8e:f413:6e25:5df8 is currently blocked following a different sockpuppet investigation and resolution for personal attacks, this gives me further reason to associate this IPv6 address to User:Itisme3248.

The case for User:2a02:586:c432:4177:f095:ca45:5206:41c4 is weaker, but it follows the same pattern of removing information without sufficient discussion, and is likely to be associated with beliefs about Linguistic purism that are mildly prevalent in Cyprus, where, due to the ongoing Cyprus problem, several schools of thought suggest that Cypriot Greek should slowly remove its association with other linguistic varieties such as Turkish, Cypriot Turkish.

User:2a02:586:c432:4177:f095:ca45:5206:41c4 has removed the statement saying that "Cypriot Greek is more conservative than Standard Greek, for example Cypriot Greek retains more archaic verbs than Standard Greek."

Although I understand that this statement is uncited and therefore could be incorrect, I am currently able to find certain sources that support this, and my understanding is that it is best practice to discuss this in the Talk page rather than removing it outright. However, if the accounts indeed belong to the same person, I suspect that any citation I may be able to find will not be accepted by the user, with strong preference to again remove the sentence outright, instead of reaching a consensus. 195.206.250.79 (talk) 12:14, 23 May 2024 (UTC)


 * There is no concrete evidence to support the claim that I have had another Wikipedia account. The association between my account and the accounts mentioned is purely speculative and lacks verifiable proof. Accusations of sockpuppetry should be based on clear evidence rather than conjecture.


 * The accusation that I am advocating for linguistic purism is false. I do not believe in linguistic purism, i think that languages naturally evolve and influence each other, loan words are natural in all languages. This accusation appears to be a tactic to undermine my position by attributing beliefs to me that I do not hold. It is important to focus on the content of the edits and discussions rather than resorting to ad hominem attacks.


 * The viewpoint I presented regarding Cypriot Greek and its loanwords is not unique to me. It is supported by a significant portion of the population in the country. To claim that anyone who shares this perspective must be me is not only absurd but also reflects a suspicious attempt to silence anyone who disagrees with 195.206.250.79. Wikipedia is a collaborative platform where diverse viewpoints should be discussed and respected. By pointing out that the methodologies of certain sources were not robust, I intended to encourage other editors to assist in finding better sources. Relying on sources solely because they exist, without critically evaluating their methodologies, is insufficient. Itisme3248 (talk) 12:34, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
 * The accusations against me violate key Wikipedia rules:
 * Assume Good Faith (WP:AGF): The claims presume negative motives without evidence, failing to assume good faith in my edits.
 * No Personal Attacks (WP:NPA): The accusations target my character and alleged beliefs instead of discussing the content of my edits. By implying that I am motivated by linguistic purism, the accuser is making an ad hominem attack, discrediting me personally rather than addressing the substance of my contributions.
 * Civility (WP:CIVIL): The language and tone are disrespectful, undermining the collaborative and civil discourse expected on Wikipedia
 * Itisme3248 (talk) 12:43, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
 * And something i missed, why would you accuse me of being User:2a02:586:c432:4177:f095:ca45:5206:41c4 when they literally reverted my own edit?
 * This is my edit:
 * https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Cypriot_Greek&diff=prev&oldid=1194837835
 * Which then was reverted:
 * "User:2a02:586:c432:4177:f095:ca45:5206:41c4 has removed the statement saying that "Cypriot Greek is more conservative than Standard Greek, for example Cypriot Greek retains more archaic verbs than Standard Greek."" Itisme3248 (talk) 13:18, 23 May 2024 (UTC)

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Clerk, CheckUser, and/or patrolling admin comments
Changed status from CU to open. CUs will not link IPs to named accounts for privacy reasons.--Bbb23 (talk) 13:47, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
 * The two IPs geolocate to different countries, and one of them is blocked in relation to another case. Closing with no action. Bbb23 (talk) 16:13, 23 May 2024 (UTC)