Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Ivan Shmakov/Archive

21 June 2015

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this discussion. Oleg3280 (talk) 14:07, 21 June 2015 (UTC)

Because Ivan Shmakov spoke out against the lock of this (Abd) user in betawikiversity. He also opposes the active block users in Russian Wikibooks, where we both are administrators. And in some other wiki projects.
 * Note about Ivan Shmakov: he came by in an IRC channel, refused to read the problems clearly described in Babel, and began saying "unsubstantiated accusations", but refuses to look at the evidence nor has read it.
 * Clearly is not involved in this project, does not understand that false harassments, wrong assumptions and personal attacks do not belong on this wiki, and starts with similar blockable behaviour as Abd. Ivan Shmakov said on IRC that he only reacts when he thinks it is "helpful", but he doesn't understand that protecting someone who is trolling on this wiki, is not helpful. Romaine (talk) 22:37, 23 August 2014 (UTC)


 * Accusation of sock or meat puppetry
 * ''I get the eerie feeling that the gentleman who commented on my page move is actually a hand puppet of the other troublemaker. His behavior is in any case identical. The Banner talk 23:53, 23 August 2014 (UTC)

Oleg3280 (talk) 20:02, 21 June 2015 (UTC)

Wikiversity:Colloquium. Oleg3280 (talk) 21:30, 21 June 2015 (UTC)

User talk:Abd/Augusto De Luca. Oleg3280 (talk) 22:00, 21 June 2015 (UTC)

The first diff is a response of Ivan on this discussion, the second diff is a response of Abd on question by Ivan in English Wikiversity. I think that this request is my very big mistake. ((((((((((((((((((((((( Oleg3280 (talk) 22:53, 21 June 2015 (UTC)

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''Accused parties may also comment/discuss in this section below. See Defending yourself against claims.''

Just in case you may wonder whether this could be related to some off-Wikipedia activity of the parties involved, let me assure you: it certainly is. Long story short (I intentionally omit most of the details, as I’m sure Oleg3280 will be glad to fill the gaps), it’s more or less as follows.
 * 1) Oleg3280 has proposed that the MediaWiki (perl) software manual be deleted from Russian Wikibooks on the grounds that its principal author (ru:User:Edward Chernenko) is blocked indefinitely on Russian Wikipedia.  I’ve objected that it isn’t a valid reason for deletion, which resulted in the ru:Википедия:Проверка участников/Ivan Shmakov checkuser request being filed.
 * 2) Oleg3280 was systematically deleting revisions which contain mere spam links at Russian Wikibooks.  I’ve objected that it wasn’t so far the approved practice at Russian Wikibooks (and neither is considered the best practice in the few sister projects I’ve checked), which resulted in my account being blocked (the block was since deleted from b:ru:Special:Log) and a request to stewards for my sysop permissions to be revoked at Russian Wikibooks.
 * 3) Yesterday, Oleg3280 blocked b:ru:User:Салатик on the grounds that the account was used to bypass a block at Russian Wikipedia.  I’ve objected on the grounds that the user has no edits at Russian Wikibooks whatsoever, and the block is largerly premature.  And here we go: this request is filed.

As much as I don’t like the “h-word,” it looks very much like this.

Thank you for your understanding, and sorry for the noise.

— Ivan Shmakov (d ▞ c) 15:41, 21 June 2015 (UTC)

Clerk, CheckUser, and/or patrolling admin comments

 * I don't have time to read that whole page, and I doubt any other clerk has. Plese, explain, in as few words as possible, why do you think those two accounts are operated by the same person?  Vanjagenije  (talk)  19:27, 21 June 2015 (UTC)
 * First of all, when editing this page, there is a text at the bottom which says "All comments go ABOVE this line, please". You wrote bellow the line, I moved your comment above. Second, it is not helpful to copy other users' comments together with their signatures, as it makes confusion. It is enough to provide WP:diff. Third, the fact that he "spoke out against the lock of [...] user" is no evidence of sockpuppetry. You need to provide clear, convincing evidence to make connection between two accounts. Thanks.  Vanjagenije  (talk)  20:38, 21 June 2015 (UTC)
 * What do those diffs prove? I don't understand. Explain, please.  Vanjagenije  (talk)  22:33, 21 June 2015 (UTC)


 * Yes, I agree. It is definitively a mistake to open a sockpuppet investigation without any evidence. I'm closing this.  Vanjagenije  (talk)  12:05, 22 June 2015 (UTC)