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Suspected sockpuppets

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Accounts registered on June 2021, misrepresenting sources on Religion in the Punjab, and using ".co.uk" URL. Wareon (talk) 03:02, 6 October 2021 (UTC)

Comments by other users
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Clerk, CheckUser, and/or patrolling admin comments

 * The following accounts are ✅:
 * . ST47 (talk) 01:57, 9 October 2021 (UTC)
 * - Correct master is Jamal047. Also for awareness of these 40-something sockpuppets. Not sure how much cleanup is needed. ST47 (talk) 02:01, 9 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Moved case to oldest account, closing. Spicy (talk) 03:52, 9 October 2021 (UTC)
 * . ST47 (talk) 01:57, 9 October 2021 (UTC)
 * - Correct master is Jamal047. Also for awareness of these 40-something sockpuppets. Not sure how much cleanup is needed. ST47 (talk) 02:01, 9 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Moved case to oldest account, closing. Spicy (talk) 03:52, 9 October 2021 (UTC)
 * . ST47 (talk) 01:57, 9 October 2021 (UTC)
 * - Correct master is Jamal047. Also for awareness of these 40-something sockpuppets. Not sure how much cleanup is needed. ST47 (talk) 02:01, 9 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Moved case to oldest account, closing. Spicy (talk) 03:52, 9 October 2021 (UTC)
 * . ST47 (talk) 01:57, 9 October 2021 (UTC)
 * - Correct master is Jamal047. Also for awareness of these 40-something sockpuppets. Not sure how much cleanup is needed. ST47 (talk) 02:01, 9 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Moved case to oldest account, closing. Spicy (talk) 03:52, 9 October 2021 (UTC)
 * . ST47 (talk) 01:57, 9 October 2021 (UTC)
 * - Correct master is Jamal047. Also for awareness of these 40-something sockpuppets. Not sure how much cleanup is needed. ST47 (talk) 02:01, 9 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Moved case to oldest account, closing. Spicy (talk) 03:52, 9 October 2021 (UTC)
 * . ST47 (talk) 01:57, 9 October 2021 (UTC)
 * - Correct master is Jamal047. Also for awareness of these 40-something sockpuppets. Not sure how much cleanup is needed. ST47 (talk) 02:01, 9 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Moved case to oldest account, closing. Spicy (talk) 03:52, 9 October 2021 (UTC)
 * . ST47 (talk) 01:57, 9 October 2021 (UTC)
 * - Correct master is Jamal047. Also for awareness of these 40-something sockpuppets. Not sure how much cleanup is needed. ST47 (talk) 02:01, 9 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Moved case to oldest account, closing. Spicy (talk) 03:52, 9 October 2021 (UTC)
 * . ST47 (talk) 01:57, 9 October 2021 (UTC)
 * - Correct master is Jamal047. Also for awareness of these 40-something sockpuppets. Not sure how much cleanup is needed. ST47 (talk) 02:01, 9 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Moved case to oldest account, closing. Spicy (talk) 03:52, 9 October 2021 (UTC)
 * . ST47 (talk) 01:57, 9 October 2021 (UTC)
 * - Correct master is Jamal047. Also for awareness of these 40-something sockpuppets. Not sure how much cleanup is needed. ST47 (talk) 02:01, 9 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Moved case to oldest account, closing. Spicy (talk) 03:52, 9 October 2021 (UTC)
 * . ST47 (talk) 01:57, 9 October 2021 (UTC)
 * - Correct master is Jamal047. Also for awareness of these 40-something sockpuppets. Not sure how much cleanup is needed. ST47 (talk) 02:01, 9 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Moved case to oldest account, closing. Spicy (talk) 03:52, 9 October 2021 (UTC)
 * . ST47 (talk) 01:57, 9 October 2021 (UTC)
 * - Correct master is Jamal047. Also for awareness of these 40-something sockpuppets. Not sure how much cleanup is needed. ST47 (talk) 02:01, 9 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Moved case to oldest account, closing. Spicy (talk) 03:52, 9 October 2021 (UTC)
 * . ST47 (talk) 01:57, 9 October 2021 (UTC)
 * - Correct master is Jamal047. Also for awareness of these 40-something sockpuppets. Not sure how much cleanup is needed. ST47 (talk) 02:01, 9 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Moved case to oldest account, closing. Spicy (talk) 03:52, 9 October 2021 (UTC)
 * . ST47 (talk) 01:57, 9 October 2021 (UTC)
 * - Correct master is Jamal047. Also for awareness of these 40-something sockpuppets. Not sure how much cleanup is needed. ST47 (talk) 02:01, 9 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Moved case to oldest account, closing. Spicy (talk) 03:52, 9 October 2021 (UTC)
 * . ST47 (talk) 01:57, 9 October 2021 (UTC)
 * - Correct master is Jamal047. Also for awareness of these 40-something sockpuppets. Not sure how much cleanup is needed. ST47 (talk) 02:01, 9 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Moved case to oldest account, closing. Spicy (talk) 03:52, 9 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Moved case to oldest account, closing. Spicy (talk) 03:52, 9 October 2021 (UTC)

Suspected sockpuppets
FactsResearcher is inactive since the master got active.


 * Nothing can be more obvious than these 2 same edits on Pashtuns:
 * On Kho people, FactsResearcher tries to water down the sentence "During the Hindu Shahi rule over Chitral an ancient Sanskrit inscription", while Jamal047 removes it.
 * On Saraiki people, Jamal047 added native script, and FactsResearcher restored the script writing by Jamal047.
 * Factsresearcher on Arachosia, and Jamal047 on Pashtuns, added same information and used the same source, "Identity in Persian Egypt", with same formatting and quote.

There is more for me to add but ultimately I think this is enough for a checkuser. Wareon (talk) 18:44, 19 August 2022 (UTC)

Some more evidence:
 * Inclusion of the word "north-east" on Greco-Buddhism just before "Afghanistan".
 * Expands on ethnic ancestry of Shah Rukh Khan.
 * Similar additions to Gandhara to show prevalence of "Prakrit" and "Kohistani" language.
 * Addition of Google books to the first sentence of Greco-Buddhism.
 * Same edits summaries like here, here, here,

Even if we accept that this was meatpuppetry, then still, FactsResearcher was being used for these edits well before Jamal047 was still blocked. Jamal047 was clearly evading the ban through FactsResearcher. Wareon (talk) 03:13, 22 August 2022 (UTC)


 * Nobody was asking block only on FactsResearcher but indef block on both accounts, FactsResearcher and Jamal047 because Jamal047 is still editing and last edit by FactsResearcher was from 8 September. This is a clear violation of WP:SOCK by Jamal047 and warrants indef block on both accounts. Wareon (talk) 05:42, 26 October 2022 (UTC)

Comments by other users

 * Accused parties may also comment/discuss in this section below. See Defending yourself against claims.

Clerk, CheckUser, and/or patrolling admin comments

 * Based on checks I just ran (see my notes in cuwiki), I'd say FactsResearcher is to Jamal047 but I'd appreciate your input since the two of you worked this case earlier. -- RoySmith (talk) 20:47, 21 August 2022 (UTC)
 * I see your comments and am taking a look. --Yamla (talk) 21:20, 21 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Left my comments in the cuwiki. RoySmith is free to copy-and-paste any part of my comments here, or summarise them if preferred. --Yamla (talk) 21:36, 21 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Yamla's analysis was "unlikely, but possibly meatpuppetry", which having read through his comments, I agree is a better answer than my original "possible". I'll leave this open for a clerk to make a final call on, i.e. . -- RoySmith (talk) 22:18, 21 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Having looked at the CU evidence, I would call this somewhere between to, that is, not really enough to draw conclusions, particularly that of that there is socking. Agree that behaviour needs to be looked at.   Maxim (talk)   00:41, 22 August 2022 (UTC)
 * I came back to give this another pass since nobody's picked it up.,  and myself all looked at the technical data and we all came down on the "unlikely" end of things.  In addition, the block log indicates that arbcom had a look as well, and they were satisfied.  I agree that the behavioral evidence presented is strong, but I can't quite get to where I'm convinced it overcomes the technical evaluation(s).  Also, FactsResearcher hasn't edited in 6 weeks, so there's not a whole lot of urgency here, i.e. we don't need to do something to prevent continuing abuse.  So, I'm going to close this without any action.  If there's new evidence of socking, we can always come back and take another look. -- RoySmith (talk) 17:26, 25 October 2022 (UTC)