Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Janglyguitars/Archive

Suspected sockpuppets
ComeniustheGreat started protesting the definition of the new wave music genre at 12:00 UTC on 14 February. The username Black Hand 1914 was registered five hours later. The first edit of Black Hand 1914 was on 17 February to protest the definition of new wave music at Talk:New wave music, where he said, ""I thought I was done here and erased my account information (including password) but I saw you reverted me". This shows that Black Hand 1914 was already editing the topic under a different account. The phrase "I saw you reverted me" refers to this edit of mine which reverted a minor date change by ComeniustheGreat. So here we have a fairly explicit connection between ComeniustheGreat and Black Hand 1914. It's clear from the timing that the Black Hand 1914 account was registered during the time that ComeniustheGreat was still editing rather than after a notional erasing of the previous password.

The UK IP 185.253.178.4 removed a bunch of instances of new wave, changing them to some kind of pop. This followed the same activity by UK IP 137.22.187.42.

At the Blitz Kids article, the same edit was performed by UK IP 137.22.187.42, then by ComeniustheGreat, then by Black Hand 1914. This is a violation of WP:MULTIPLE.

The same kind of sequence can be seen at the article Second British Invasion.

It also happened at Synthesizer.

Checkuser requested to make certain of the connection. Binksternet (talk) 19:56, 17 February 2024 (UTC)


 * Added 204.144.208.113 and Jinglyjangle. To make certain that all these IPs and accounts are the same person, per their editing history, all have one thing in common and one purpose, to remove new wave from articles and replace with other content like new pop or remove / replace sourced content with his original research whenever he disagrees. He has been editing since January 2023, first as Janglyguitars - see edit history here. Lots of edit / genre warring throughout this user's edit history in all of these accounts / IP addresses. To also prove these are the same user, when he used the IP 137.22.187.42 to edit the New Romantic page and I reverted the edit with the edit summary "please login to your Wiki account to make edits", the next day he did login and no surprise, it was Jinglyjangle, continuing his edit warring. ComeniustheGreat and Black Hand 1914 have also mentioned Jinglyjangle in their edit summaries or in posts on Talk pages, defending "him" (posing as different people). Also, at the New wave music Talk page, he said as Black Hand 1914: "I can't speak for jinglyjangle or anyone else but after this I want no further part with this website ever again." As a "new user", he said on that one day he had been editing (February 17) in the newly created account: "I want no further part with this website ever again" which would imply that he has been editing a while. And he seems to have abandoned the Jinglyjangle account (last edit February 13), that's why right after, he continued editing (from February 14 to February 17) using the IPs 137.22.187.42 and 185.253.178.4 and the ComeniustheGreat account, while also creating the Black Hand 1914 account. Hiddenstranger (talk) 07:38, 18 February 2024 (UTC)
 * I can see how the ComeniustheGreat and UK IPs group might be attached to this case by way of shared interest, but I recall the Jinglyjangle case having a Wisconsin, US, location, not UK. That account was previously User:Janglyguitars. Two ANI cases were brought against Janglyguitars in May 2023, the first one being Administrators' noticeboard/IncidentArchive1126. The second ANI case partially blocked Janglyguitars from the Synth-pop page. Binksternet (talk) 17:42, 18 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Ah okay, although there is an obvious connection between 137.22.187.42 and Jinglyjangle, as explained above and if you see their contribution pages, their editing style and wording of edit summaries is exactly the same. Unless there is some canvassing going on where other people have been involved to edit in the same manner and style. Hiddenstranger (talk) 00:53, 19 February 2024 (UTC)
 * People from Wisconsin have been known to travel to the UK, so maybe. Binksternet (talk) 01:22, 19 February 2024 (UTC)
 * That's it! Please see Jinglyjangle's Talk page under the Melody Maker archives section - he says "I’m in London at the moment so I can certainly give it a go." – This would confirm that those IPs and two registered accounts (ComeniustheGreat & Black Hand 1914) are all Jinglyjangle. ~ Hiddenstranger (talk) 03:20, 19 February 2024 (UTC)
 * In that case, we still need a checkuser to look into things. Binksternet (talk) 05:33, 19 February 2024 (UTC)
 * I support looking into it further too. I was contemplating taking this to SPI myself. There's a lot of similarities in how JingleJangle and Comenius both would rather monologue and complain than discuss policy or solutions at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Music/Music genres task force. Sergecross73   msg me  18:45, 19 February 2024 (UTC)
 * 137.22.187.42 has struck again with his edit warring. Hiddenstranger (talk) 02:31, 25 February 2024 (UTC)

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 * I admit it, yes. However that doesn't mean that all of my edits were disruptive. For the cases of the synthesizer, Second British Invasion, and Blitz Kids articles they were clearly constructive, please respond on that talk page if you disagree. The connection to synth-pop is already well-established for each of them, whereas any new wave connection is very tenuous and easily disputed by UK sources like Nickson, who says new wave was overwhelmed by the New Romantics, and by Reynolds who clearly distinguishes between the different genres that were included in the new music umbrella, and says new music was the equivalent term for new pop bands that came over in the Second Invasion.


 * As for this account, I created it because after I got involved in the new wave dispute on ComeniustheGreat I decided that I would like to start again with an account untainted by dispute, which I would use this account mostly for editing European history pages like I originally did with Comenius. However, after my total dissillusionment with this site I decided to change my password on Comenius to something randomly generated, which I purposely lost so I wouldn't be able to get back in. But when I saw you reverted me, I changed my mind and decided to get back on this account to fix those mistakes. Like I said that's the last thing I'll do unless you draw this out further, and any breach of site policy was unintended. Black Hand 1914 (talk) 20:45, 17 February 2024 (UTC)

Clerk, CheckUser, and/or patrolling admin comments

 * It is a breach of site policy to edit war, especially with the purpose you have stated. Blocked Comenius indefinitely, BH1914 for 3 days, and the IPs for 31 hours. Izno (talk) 22:14, 17 February 2024 (UTC)
 * The Wordsmith Talk to me 01:31, 7 March 2024 (UTC)

Suspected sockpuppets

 * ( original case name)

Procedural filing for the record. -- ferret (talk) 18:22, 20 April 2024 (UTC)

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I'm entirely unfamiliar with rest of the socks listed above, or their edit history but I'm unclear from the comments below as to how Jinglyjangle and Janglyguitars has been linked to ComeniustheGreat. Jinglyjangle stated on their user page that they are a locked out Janglyguitars but has the former been linked to CtG by shared IP, or the like? I'd be astonished if the varyingly-coherent extended rambles of CtG here came from the same hand as those by Jinglyjangle. The style, effectiveness and level of concision are poles apart. I only skimmed the TLDR screeds but their contribution looks more likely to undermine the credibility of anyone supposedly on the same side. Mutt Lunker (talk) 01:39, 21 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the clarification. From the way you frame "technically indistinguishable" it implies it has technical definition in this context. Is it simply "same IP"? Mutt Lunker (talk) 18:16, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Thanks, though I know what the words mean. It's the nature of what they are seeing that I'm asking about. If you don't know either, that's fine. Mutt Lunker (talk) 23:13, 24 April 2024 (UTC)

Clerk, CheckUser, and/or patrolling admin comments
Following the last SPI, where Black Hand 1914 was given a light 3 day block for edit warring and essentially a second chance, they immediately re-registered as Spinozist triangle. They had already admitted to being ComeniustheGreat but had not fully admitted to the others. These are all CU confirmed to each other other than Janglyguitars which is stale, but Jinglyjangle admits to being Janglyguitars so. There are probably more. Blocked and tagged.

For when you read this, Spinozist triangle: You cannot simply create new accounts then return to the same disputes and topic areas. That's not how clean start works. Any new accounts or editing will be pure block evasion. You are unlikely to be able to appeal for at least 6 months. Read WP:SO.

Clerk: Need case moved to Janglyguitars as the oldest identified at this time. -- ferret (talk) 18:23, 20 April 2024 (UTC)


 * @Mutt Lunker Yes. This is a checkuser confirm. Jinglyjangle is confirmed to all the rest, including CtG. They are ✅. Black Hand 1914 (also ✅) also admitted to being CtG in the last SPI which is archived. Depending how you read it, they also admitted to Jinglyjangle, but I initially read it as only copping to CtG. Either way, the CU data is clear. -- ferret (talk) 03:04, 21 April 2024 (UTC)
 * @Mutt Lunker The "technically indistinguishable" tag means that, from the data checkusers can see, these users appear exactly identical. -- ferret (talk) 21:18, 24 April 2024 (UTC)


 * - Marking for Clerk attention per ferret's comment, Janglyguitars is the oldest account so the case needs to be moved there. The Wordsmith Talk to me 20:14, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Moved from ComeniustheGreat to Janglyguitars —&thinsp;JJMC89&thinsp; (T·C) 00:00, 25 April 2024 (UTC)

Suspected sockpuppets
This new user restored an old edit war version by sockpuppet Jinglyjangle.

Checkuser to root out sleepers. Binksternet (talk) 04:41, 30 April 2024 (UTC)

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Clerk, CheckUser, and/or patrolling admin comments

 * ✅ -- ferret (talk) 13:47, 30 April 2024 (UTC)