Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Jennifer Michaud/Archive

Report date February 26 2009, 22:41 (UTC)

 * Suspected sockpuppets

On the userpage states that is the wife of User:General Disarray, but is editing on the same pages as the other user and is being used to circumscribe around WP:3RR. May be a meatpuppet.
 * Evidence submitted by Jeff3000 (talk)


 * Comments by accused parties    See Defending yourself against claims.

Hey there - I can COMPLETELY understand why a person would think this. I have been observing these pages for three and a half years, and have recently decided to help out with editting - the 'General" is busy during the day where as I have a desk job that allows for me to check in on things. :) I'm not sure how a person would go about proving their existence, but I would be happy to provide any information requested, (Facebook page? Driver's licence? Grandma's secret meatball recipe?). I am also a member of the BUPC, and as such feel that it is my right to contribute to the pages that are near and dear to my heart. The Mason Remey page in question is one such article. One last thing...I'm pretty sure the term is sock puppet, not meat puppet. Watch yourself. ;) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jennifer Michaud (talk • contribs) 00:52, 27 February 2009 (UTC)
 * This type of argument can be used for anyone wanting to use multiple accounts to get around the Wikipedia rules. My brothers happen to live in the same household, I'll just get them to send proof that they exist, and I'll (oops they'll) edit in exactly the same way that I do.  The argument doesn't pass muster. And BTW, WP:MEAT can apply here as well, which states: "Meatpuppet is a Wikipedia term of art meaning one who edits on behalf of or as proxy for another editor. " Regards -- Jeff3000 (talk) 02:12, 27 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Another relevant policy is WP:SHARE which states that "Closely connected users may be considered a single user for Wikipedia's purposes if they edit towards the same objectives. When editing the same articles, participating in the same community discussion, or supporting each other in any sort of dispute, closely related accounts should disclose the connection and observe relevant policies such as the 'three-revert rule' as if they were a single account. If they do not wish to disclose the connection, they should avoid editing in the same areas, particularly on controversial topics." This checkuser is needed to ascertain if the two accounts should be considered a single user for Wikipedia's purposes.  Regards, -- Jeff3000 (talk) 02:17, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

I'm presuming what MARussell is saying is he thinks he's uncovered some sort of cover-up? If I were trying to cover-up who I was I wouldn't have created this account with my real name, nor would I have thought to link to General Disarray's user page on my own, and publicly note that he was my husband, would I? MARussell has also stated the revert I made to the Mason Remey page occured while the unrelated temporary block on General Disarrays account had been put in place. He's mistaken about the timing, for I made my revert on my lunch break around 3:15 pm mountain time, and General's unrelated block was put into affect around 4:00pm our time. That is an understandable misunderstanding, but he's mistaken nonetheless.

I believe this has all come about premature. Jeff3000 has suggested my account has been used to circumvent the 3 revert rule, but has only pointed out a total of 3 reverts; 2 from my husband, and 1 from me. I was aware that Jeff3000 had already reverted the page, and when I logged in I noticed he had done so a second time, still without partaking in the talk. That's when I reverted him, but what he failed to provide was I also commented on my revert in the discussion, which was something Jeff3000 had yet to oblige although he himself had reverted twice at the time.

I've had a chance to read over SHARE, and I see that since we are sharing an IP address, we should treat it as one account when it comes to articles we are mutually interested in. Thanks for bringing this to my attention. I'll see to it that it never becomes an actual issue. Jennifer Michaud (talk) 08:58, 27 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Comments by other users
 * User:General Disarray is currently blocked for 24 hours (beginning 23:00, 26 February 2009). In this period User:Jennifer Michaud has been reverting on exactly the same page the accused sockpuppeteer typically edits.
 * Also, its quite odd that the accused sockpuppeteer added a welcome message to the suspected sock's talk page, at 04:33, 19 February, 2009, only three minutes after the account's creation.
 * If not a an outright WP:SOCK, then WP:MEAT seems probable as well as WP:SHARE. MARussellPESE (talk) 04:23, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

Requested by Jeff3000 (talk) 22:41, 26 February 2009 (UTC) While there hasn't been a 3RR violation yet, I can see this account being used to get around 3RR violations. Currently the two accounts have done three reverts as shown with the following diffs:, ,. Jeff3000 (talk) 22:45, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
 * CheckUser requests
 * There is no doubt that a CU will tell us that the two accounts are related, and as such it is not necessary. The only thing that needs to be decided is whether the claim to be two individuals sharing common beliefs, but editing independently is credible, and CU won't help there. Mayalld (talk) 08:04, 27 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Clerk, patrolling admin and checkuser comments
 * [[Image:Symbol question.svg|20px]] Additional information needed: Please provide a code letter. SPCUClerkbot (talk) 22:41, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
 * I added code letter "D" to the case as it seems far more applicable than "F". Tiptoety  talk 05:44, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

Mayalld (talk) 15:30, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Conclusions
 * in the spirit of WP:AGF, I think that we can accept the proffered explanation of a husband and wife with similar interests. It seems clear that they are now aware of WP:SHARE, and that any sanction would now be punitive rather than preventative. Mayalld (talk) 15:30, 11 March 2009 (UTC)