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27 November 2014

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User account PhilippineRevolution created right after the sock master was blocked last year as observed by a user in his talk page. They both have the same interest in Philippine rail, particularly campaigning for renaming the Manila Light Rail Transit System Line 2's common nickname LRT-2 or LRT Line 2 to MRT-2 or MRT Line 2 in total disregard of WP:RS. They both have a knack for engaging in edit war also in defense of what they call the real official "common" name of MRT-2 despite reliable sources saying LRT-2 or LRT Line 2. The issue of the common reference to the train line was brought up recently at Talk:Manila Light Rail Transit System Line 2 and PhilippineRevolution managed to get Jeromesandilanico to cast his vote almost instantly for MRT-2 after almost a year of inactivity. User:NewPhilippinerailways also made his first major edit in WP in that talk page, in support also of PhilippineRevolution. Check out the many similarities between Jeromesandilanico's and PhilippineRevolution's edits in the past on the same article. * 1 2 3 4 5 The issue is not so much on the naming debate, but more on the obvious sockpuppeteering to get the votes in his favor as observed in this new discussion also. 1. RioHondo (talk) 15:11, 27 November 2014 (UTC)
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As a new user, these are some of PhilippineRevolution's first edits: 1, 2, 3, 4 and 5. And for a new user to be editing codes and templates in his first day like 1, 2, 3, 4, and 5, this clearly goes to show that this wasn't a new user back in December 2013 and all clues point to him being a sockpuppet of the user blocked indefinitely.--RioHondo (talk) 09:08, 28 November 2014 (UTC)

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Actually MRT-2 has been there for so long not only by me but by users such as SkyHarbor. Such claims could merit that Jeromesandilanico, Sky Harbor, NewPhilippinerailways/Philippinerailways and me are one and the same. Plus don't get it wrong WP:RS is currently being discussed right now in the talk page below and you could see I have been acting in goodfaith. Also even HTD who is from the otherside of the argument in the talkpage has acknowledge that MRT-2 might have been used before in WP:RS and his arguments is basically in the recent WP:RS. But I think for the naming this is not the right forum. Plus clearly as stated in the talk page that im not the one who asked for Jeromesandilanico but NewPhilippinerailways/Philippinerailways.

Can I not be a former editor using my IP address? I don't think that would not be allowed doesn't it? I then realized that I don't want my IP address to get exposed so I basically created my own account which is PhilippineRevolution. Plus in editing wikipedia you need html skills to be able to contribute properly so I don't think that its impossible for me to edit such especially I took a crash course in html back in 2012 as part of the requirement in job. Also during that time the user Jeromesandilanico was engaged in an edit war between Useddenim at almost every rail based articles, being it in my watchlist and it pops out everytime made me interested in this to get involved especially that I am a railfan, researched and found out that Useddenim is right in the color scheme etc which led me to trace Useddenim's activities that might get my interest and I helped by giving my inputs so that I could be able to create meaningful contributions using my then new account as it would be good for my reputation as a new user. Also if users who are proficient in encoding such as know html codes are immediately sockpuppets of some old blocked users, how about Na Na Utlog  even some of SkyHarbor's  first edits were even a creation of some templates related to railroad topics in the Philippines, So your saying they are also socks because they know how to edit templates and codes proficiently during their first day of being a new user especially SkyHarbor also because he voted for my cause? Plus don't you think that if I am a sockpuppet of Jeromesandilanico, It would make better sense that I have supported all of his edits especially in that template?

Anyways, please do review Talk:Manila_Light_Rail_Transit_System_Line_2 and see how user Riohondo is actually acting against users who have a different view in the matter. To make the matters worse, he opened this investigation without at least notifying users involved here. Here are some of the excerpts of his inputs in the page that seems to attack users


 * "I'd like to hear Sky Harbor again lecture someone about propaganda and tinkering with the names in cited sources to fit that person's agenda."
 * When Skyharbor already has put his input: "MRT-2? Really? Youve had the same issues on the MRT vs MRT3 against the same user saying we shouldn't go tinkering with what is in those reliable sources".
 * When Skyharbor is not replying anymore "Any more new users you'd want to invite to this discussion, jeromesandilanico? Good job on resurrecting jerome after almost a year of inactivity PhilippineRevolution.... See Manila MRT (Philippines) by Glen Rendol. I wouldn't be surprised if this is the work of just one person. :sly:".
 * "I was talking to Jerome wasn't I? Thanks for reviving that blocked user btw, right when you needed him. But lets leave it to the investigators, Jerome. And btw, you can cite what you view are personal attack/s along with the more important WP:RS on your preferred official common name for the line."
 * More taunting, plus accusation of users and seeming desire to block users for personal gains "@/PhilippineRevolution, is there any more follow up on this? User talk:Jeromesandilanico. Either one of you could have at least acknowledged Jerome's reply with a message there. I like how the whole stage is set tho, and a new user basically making his first edit in WP and a blocked user not having done any edit in a year seem to be in the loop and on the same page about all of this. Nice timing, too."

Basically he is attacking almost everyone who supported me, even users such as SkyHarbor, and as if only Skyharbor is not an administrator he might be included here. Clearly this is a show of a badfaith opening of an SPI investigation.  Philippine Revolution  04:32, 28 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Again, this is not about the naming debate but the growing number of evidence that you and Jeromesandilanico are one and the same person. I am not at all bothered by how this debate turns out and what the ultimate name for the train line would be. This debate is largely between you and User:Howard the Duck, anyway. But please do check these user accounts as we do not allow users with multiple accounts here. Thanks.--RioHondo (talk) 04:39, 28 November 2014 (UTC)
 * We'll I just presented my evidences as you presented yours. Though I believe this SPI investigation is done in bad faith with the intention to eliminate other users against his view as again looking at his inputs and behaviors in the link above. Let's just wait okay?  Philippine Revolution  04:49, 28 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Coincidence? Let's find out.--RioHondo (talk) 04:52, 28 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Well based on this clearly Jeromesandilanico stated that he did not agree with my edits and even the user involved did not pursue SPI.  Philippine Revolution  04:59, 28 November 2014 (UTC)
 * These were PhilippineRevolution's Day 1 edits when Jeromesandilanico denied the accusation by User:Useddenim above: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5. These were Jeromesandilanico's last edits before making that comment and before being blocked: 1, 2, 3, 4,  5. See the pattern too between the master's last edits and the puppet's first edits. So the statement that Jeromesandilanico did not agree with PhilippineRevolution's edits is unfounded. The logs don't lie.--RioHondo (talk) 10:51, 28 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Clearly no need to repeat this, you already stated this "evidence" earlier. But since you insist I would repeat this first have you not seen in my log how I supported Useddenim's push for the new color scheme? Im sure the user noticed that too that is why no SPI was done against my account as again clearly I supported Useddenim and against Jeromesandilanico on why we cant implement the new colors in templates. Second Useddenim himself is confused on which shade of the colors should we implement with the numerous sources and with that I made my first edit to help him with that knowing that I want to become productive and helpful. Third Can I not be a former editor using my IP address? I don't think that would not be allowed doesn't it? I then realized that I don't want my IP address to get exposed so I basically created my own account which is PhilippineRevolution. Plus in editing wikipedia you need html skills to be able to contribute properly so I don't think that its impossible for me to edit such especially I took a crash course in html back in 2012 as part of the requirement in job. Also during that time the user Jeromesandilanico was engaged in an edit war between Useddenim at almost every rail based articles, being it in my watchlist and it pops out everytime made me interested in this to get involved especially that I am a railfan, researched and found out that Useddenim is right in the color scheme etc which led me to trace Useddenim's activities that might get my interest and I helped by giving my inputs so that I could be able to create meaningful contributions using my then new account as it would be good for my reputation as a new user. Also if users who are proficient in encoding such as know html codes are immediately sockpuppets of some old blocked users, how about Na Na Utlog  even some of SkyHarbor's  first edits were even a creation of some templates related to railroad topics in the Philippines, So your saying they are also socks because they know how to edit templates and codes proficiently during their first day of being a new user especially SkyHarbor also because he voted for my cause? Plus don't you think that if I am a sockpuppet of Jeromesandilanico, It would make better sense that I have supported all of his edits especially in that template? Lastly, Im not the only user who edited and chaged it to MRT-2 but also users such as SkyHarbor   so by linking those are you saying that he is also a Sockpuppet of Jeromesandilanico? Let's just wait and not repeat evidences okay?  Philippine Revolution  11:12, 28 November 2014 (UTC)

Clerk, CheckUser, and/or patrolling admin comments
. has presented a lot of behavioral evidence in support of a connection between the master and PhilipineRevolution, but almost nothing with respect to the other two puppets. That said, according to NewPhilippinerailways, they created their account because Philippinerailways was compromised/hacked. This was on July 10, 2014. Yet, Philippinerailways edited after NewPhilippinerailways said the account was compromised. And as far as I can tell, there was nothing to indicate the account was compromised. In addition I see no evidence that NewPhilippinerailways asked that the allegedly compromised account be blocked. So, all I am looking for in the CU is whether there's a technical connection between PhilippineRevolution and NewPhilipinerailways (the other accounts are stale).--Bbb23 (talk) 20:59, 7 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Based on geolocation it's the two are related.-- Jezebel's Ponyo bons mots  22:08, 11 December 2014 (UTC)
 * I was doing a check on this, but got distracted. The only thing I have to add is that I feel the connection between Jeromesandilanico & PhilippineRevolution is as the edit the same IP within two hours on different computers. --  DQ   (ʞlɐʇ)  22:59, 11 December 2014 (UTC)
 * I indeffed the three puppets. I tagged the master and puppets as suspected. Closing.--Bbb23 (talk) 20:25, 13 December 2014 (UTC)