Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Jersay/Archive

Report date March 20 2009, 11:45 (UTC)

 * Suspected sockpuppets

User:Jersay was indefinitely blocked at 13:54 GMT on 19 March 2009. User:Canadian87 registered at 00:00 GMT on 20 March - just over 10 hours later. Canadian 87 has immediately gone to three of Jersay's favourite pages: 2009 Camp Capsat mutiny ; 2009 timeline of the War in Somalia ; and the all-time classic List of ongoing conflicts. His editing style and approach strongly resemble Jersay's; in particular, this edit, with its combative summary text, is very similar to this one. All of Canadian87's edits are contentious alterations to pages Jersay had previously been involved with.
 * Evidence submitted by AlexTiefling (talk)

(In the course of investigating this, I found this piece of userpage vandalism by Jersay, which I'd missed in previous inquiries into his behaviour.)

AlexTiefling (talk) 11:45, 20 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Comments by accused parties    See Defending yourself against claims.


 * Comments by other users


 * Clerk, patrolling admin and checkuser comments
 * I'm not seeing the most concrete connection between the accounts, although the registration times seem to be a bit suspicious. I will have to refer this to a more experience clerk. Foxy Loxy  Pounce! 07:41, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Foxy, more like just leave it to an admin ;) If you can't find any IP data or any other data that is interesting then don't sweat it too much and just leave it :). Clerks jobs are just to present/find data, approve cases for checkuser, and in ge\neral make the process go smoothly. (eg move cases around). ——  nix eagle email me 19:45, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Conclusions
 * - If not exactly obvious, I ran a report tool that I'm experimenting with on this case. The new account comes in about 10 hours after Jersay was blocked on 2009 timeline of the War in Somalia and does the same style edits that Jersay did. If that is not quacking I don't know what is. That involved with the evidence presented above makes me think it is likely that User:Canadian87 is a sock of Jersay. Needless to say I've blocked the new account as a sock of Jersay. ——  nix eagle email me 19:54, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

Report date April 5 2009, 17:28 (UTC)

 * Suspected sockpuppets


 * Evidence submitted by Wikifan12345 (talk)

I have reason to believe User:Tuesday2009 is a sockpuppet of banned editor User:Jersay. He was banned for sockpuppeting here. User Tuesday has very similar editing habits as Jersay and his other sockpuppets. A defining characteristic of Jersay was removal of cited material without rationale and bias towards certain countries, especially Somalia. Here we see Tuesday removing entire incidents: Afghanistan, Israel, Pakistan, the list goes on and on. Editor approach is also very similar. At one point Jersay almost deleted all Somalia-related incidents because he believed they weren't terrorist attacks, this accusation as been thrown again but with Israel: diff. I'm not sure if this is enough evidence for a checkuser but I hope it is. Wikifan12345 (talk) 17:28, 5 April 2009 (UTC)

Comment Don't feel like responding to all that garbage but I will correct an obvious inaccuracy: The West Bank is not under the governance of Israel. West Bank is run by Fatah, with Israel controlling borders and resources. The incident occurred in Bethlehem, a city firmly governed by the Palestinians. Hell, even the refugee camps are controlled by Fatah. So sad, yet another tragic lie propagated by Jersay. :D Wikifan12345 (talk) 01:31, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

Comment Jersay, *ahem*, Tuesday2009 continues to wreak havoc on the article, removing cited material without a rationale (or irrelevant one). Please end this. Wikifan12345 (talk) 18:55, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

Comment I was recently blocked for reverting and fixing Tuesday's "edits" ( vandalism ) 3 days ago. Apparently I didn't assume good faith or whatever, ignored Tuesday's pursuit for "collaboration", (which was also a character quality of Jersay - seeking the "advice" of an admin or user and pretending to care), and failed to use Talk. While dumbfounded isn't even close to describe my reaction towards the behavior of these admins, it is still important we solve this before I become the target and Jersay, I mean Tuesday is allowed more time to edit. Tuesday has admitted he posts on the same IP as Jersay, and has exclusively edited nearly the same topics as his former sockpuppets. Therefore, I can't find any reason to believe why he is Jersay other than the fact that he denies it. I am tired of these games and especially of indifferent admins, so let's end this already. Wikifan12345 (talk) 22:20, 10 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Comments by accused parties    See Defending yourself against claims.

I believe that Wikifan145 is making an accusation in "bad faith" as he/she does not want their own editing to be examined. I have deleted the Somalia terrorist incidents as it would be to time consuming to list each and every terrorist incident that occurs in Somalia. However, if Wikifan 145 wants to create a page on all incidents in Somalia, or a side-bar to the War in Somalia page I would be extremely happy to record incidents.

User:Jersay did delete alot of incidents without explaining his actions. I concur. However, I am open to using the Talk to discuss all incidents or an assortment of similar incidents. I would also like to point out that Wikifan145 deleted terrorist incidents in April (April 3 Phillipines, and April 5, Iraq) with no explanation given. Just like Jersay. I believe that Wikifan145 claims are not relevent to the case of sock puppetry. (Tuesday2009 (talk) 14:59, 6 April 2009 (UTC))

I will admit as User:Tuesday2009, I use the same IP address as the User: Jersay as we are roomates at the same university. However, I have edited other subjects such as regarding Canada, Thailand-Cambodia border dispute, the World Baseball Classic long before I started editing list of terrorist incidents 2009, and only after the site fell into disrepair as shown by evidence submitted that no activity occured from March 24, 2009 until I started editing at the end of March.(Tuesday2009 (talk) 15:05, 6 April 2009 (UTC))

Wikifan145 continues to wreck havoc on this site. Not myself. The use of an IP address is not concerning of a sockpuppet investigation. Through the use of University computers it will be the same IP address. Therefore I am not going to answer that charge.

I make the charge again that Wkifan145 is causing vandalism by editing without discussion, the same exact way User:Jersay attempted to do, and does not want his/her editing to be examined. And once a person who refuses his or her ideas are terminated he/she will allow the list of terrorist incidents 2009 to go into disrepair. For example, terrorist incident occured in the West Bank, at an Israeli controlled settlement of Bat Ayin on April 2. However, Wikifan145 keeps putting it in Palestinian control. The Palestinian Authority only controls 60% of the West Bank at this time, and only Palestinian populated areas. Israeli police and army have firm control over the entire West Bank. As well he deleted April 3, terrorist incident in Philippines, and just attempted to delete a second terrorist incident in Iraq on April 6. He/she repeatedly commits vandalism by editing with incorrect links or claims to make an edit but submits a number of reverts that are not required. Therefore I have requested a vandalism investigation be open on Wikifan145(Tuesday2009 (talk) 00:56, 7 April 2009 (UTC)).

I submit as evidence different sites I have worked on, besides the list of terrorist incidents 2009 site where I have gotten into conflict with Wikifan12345. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toronto_Blue_Jays

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Tuesday2009

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mount_Redoubt

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sri_Lankan_Civil_War

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proposals_for_new_Canadian_provinces_and_territories

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Contributions&limit=500&target=Tuesday2009

I am interested in more then just list of terrorist incidents 2009, unlike User:Jersay and I have been able to work co-operatively with all users to these sites except in this one where Wikifan12345 is being unapproachable, using personal attacks as does not want anyone editing his/her work. Therefore, it is him or her that is to blame for the situation that has accord.(Tuesday2009 (talk) 04:49, 7 April 2009 (UTC))


 * Comments by other users

So after a few token edits to articles outside of his usual narrow set of articles, Jersay/Tuesday2009 carries on editing the same narrow set articles in the same way and, by his own admission, from the same IP address as Jersay, yet we are expected to believe they are two different people? Lock him up and throw away the key please someone. O Fenian (talk) 11:30, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
 * This dude is at a college? Aren't you suppose to be smoking pot and banging chicks? I wish I was back at college and 20 again and not here :) Anyways, same ip, same interests, same disputes, equals trouble whether same person or roommate or whatever. --Tom (talk) 15:13, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

SPI isn't about who is being more disruptive. It is clear that the reporter's editing is problematic, and that he has engaged in an edit war with the accused party. However, such behavioural issues are not the stuff of SPI!
 * Clerk, patrolling admin and checkuser comments

Tuesday2009 asks us to accept that a week after his roommate is indefinitely blocked for disruptive editing, he spontaneously decided that he wanted to edit the very site that had cast his roommate aside, that he wanted to edit the exact same articles, and that he wanted to edit them in the exact same way.

I afraid that despite all efforts to WP:AGF here, this is quacking. Mayalld (talk) 06:53, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

Mayalld (talk) 07:03, 15 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Conclusions
 * Indef'd per Mayalld's finding.  MBisanz  talk 07:00, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

Report date June 7 2009, 16:08 (UTC)

 * Suspected sockpuppets


 * Evidence submitted by O Fenian

Usual Jersay style concentration of edits on articles such as 2009 timeline of the War in Somalia, List of wars 2003–current, List of ongoing conflicts, List of terrorist incidents, 2009. Unfortunately he's alsop making up wars in the same way Jersay did, with the addition of his newly created Amazonas Land Conflict to List of wars 2003–current with this edit. While it may be worthy of an article it isn't a war, and as usual his edits make a mockery of an encyclopedia. O Fenian (talk) 16:08, 7 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Comments by accused parties    See Defending yourself against claims.


 * Comments by other users

Accounts tagged. Icestorm815 •  Talk  17:54, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Clerk, patrolling admin and checkuser comments


 * Conclusions
 * ✅, as well as . IPs blocked, as well. Nishkid64 (Make articles, not wikidrama) 12:30, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

Report date June 27 2009, 14:58 (UTC)

 * Suspected sockpuppets


 * Evidence submitted by O Fenian

Usual narrow concentration of articles, usual editing style of removing terrorist incidents that don't fit his peculiar definition of terrorism, usual Canadian themed name, usual geographic location for the IP. O Fenian (talk) 14:58, 27 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Comments by accused parties    See Defending yourself against claims.


 * Comments by other users


 * Clerk, patrolling admin and checkuser comments


 * Conclusions
 * I have indef blocked & tagged the named account and blocked the IP for two weeks. Tiptoety  talk 04:48, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

Evidence submitted by O Fenian
AmerCana has the usual extremely limited range of articles edited, such as List of terrorist incidents, 2010, List of wars 2003–current and List of ongoing conflicts, and the same disputes about which "wars" or "conflicts" should or should not be included. The addition of a reference in this edit to the Canadian version of Yahoo matches Jersay's known location in addition. O Fenian (talk) 21:44, 11 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Strange that Winnipeg is mentioned below, since User:Winnipeg88 is a confirmed sock of Jersay. The evidence is plain to see, the account is editing the same extremely small set of articles in the same way. O Fenian (talk) 19:26, 17 January 2010 (UTC)

Comments by accused parties
See Defending yourself against claims.

There are 34 million people in Canada, not just one person. My father is Canadian and my mother is American and we are currently living in Winnipeg Manitoba as my mom works at Boeing Technology. I believe you need to have more evidence then I get my sources from Canadian Yahoo News as I live in Canada and through Canada unless I request American Yahoo I will get Yahoo Canada. I have stated why in the conflicts page why some conflicts should be removed as they are non-existant even though posters keep posting them without supporting evidence that a conflict is ongoing in the "supposed" conflict zone. I posted my reasons on Talk and no one has posted a reasonable reason for the conflicts being posted. Signed AmerCana —Preceding unsigned comment added by AmerCana (talk • contribs)

Clerk, patrolling admin and checkuser comments
Blocked and tagged. –MuZemike 05:43, 20 January 2010 (UTC)

Evidence submitted by O Fenian
I have long suspected Ryan Kirkpatrick to be a possible sockpuppet of Jersay. I was not sure due to an UK based (Jersay is in Canada) IP generally prefixed 80.47 editing List of terrorist incidents, 2010‎ (Jersay's main article, albeit he was editing the 2009 one before being blocked but was very active on the 2010 article with his last known sockpuppet) in a similar way to Ryan Kirkpatrick, but having closely inspected their edits I have concluded that they are in fact different editors. For example the IP's and Ryan's versions of the same incident are quite different, especially as the IP can spell and use grammar far better than Ryan.

Last known Jersay sockpuppet was blocked at 01:42, 20 January 2010, Ryan Kirkpatrick's account was created at 13:15, 21 January 2010, which would suggest they may be the same person especially given their primarily terrorism-focused editing. O Fenian (talk) 17:18, 24 June 2010 (UTC)

Comments by accused parties
See Defending yourself against claims.

Clerk, patrolling admin and checkuser comments
Requested by O Fenian (talk) 17:18, 24 June 2010 (UTC)

– First off, all previously-blocked socks are for CheckUser purposes. Secondly, behavioral evidence clearly indicates that this is Jersay, so no CU is necessary (and not possible since the previous accounts are stale). –MuZemike 01:15, 26 June 2010 (UTC)

AmerCana was blocked on 20 January 2010; Ryan kirkpatrick was created the following day and immediately resumed where AmerCana left off. Blocked and tagged. –MuZemike 01:15, 26 June 2010 (UTC)