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Jessewaugh account and listed IPs have aggressively defended the article Jesse Waugh at AfD or Jesse Waugh material on the wiki.
 * 1) All listed IPs geolocate to Spain. External search establish a connection between Spain and article subject. Three IPs from Spain might be normal on the Spanish Wikipedia but here it is a large anomoly.
 * 2) 81.44.32.50 canvassed about fifteen editors to vote at the AfD, with the phrase "Hi, I’m writing to ask if you might be willing to contribute a vote on the Articles for Deletion page for Jesse Waugh. The vote already took place based on the article’s current sources, but certain people seem to be determined to get it deleted. Thanks either way."
 * 3) First Afd (for Jesse R. Waugh) was rife with sockpuppets. 104.163.147.121 (talk) 00:41, 28 March 2018 (UTC)
 * 4) the sockpuppets investigated and confirmed in the first AfD came about as a result of the same event: someone nominating the Waugh page for deletion.   — Preceding unsigned comment added by 104.163.147.121 (talk) 00:50, 28 March 2018 (UTC)
 * 5) I've added Cinesis, a an old blocked account that was socking at the first AfD, as its main contrib seems to have been promoting the Jesse Waugh art manifesto "pulchrism" by adding it to the Wiki. There are a half dozen socks attached to that account-- do they come up automatically when the master is searched?104.163.147.121 (talk) 02:16, 28 March 2018 (UTC)
 * 6) I've added The Master, as they a) created the current Waugh article from Draft, b) Argued very vociferously at last two AFDs for keep, removed my vote at AfD, and seem to have just inadvertently admitted to COI at least at this AFD. What I think is happening here is a combination of socks and meatpuppets. Jesse Waugh has a nice interview with Thomas Darnell on his site. Both are pages created by The Master, who called Darnell a friend at the above AfD. I know this sounds like kooky conspiracy theories, but it does seem to connect and the Waugh promotionalism has been going on for five years.  104.163.147.121 (talk) 03:02, 28 March 2018 (UTC)

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 * Comment The IP editor who filed this has deeply personalized the AfD of Jesse Waugh, for some reason. Given my considerable history here and many quality articles on any number of topics and people, I'm not sure whether adding me to a sockpuppet investigation is hilarious, or pathetic, or both. I await the results of Mr. Anon IP editor's witch hunt here with bated breath, fully expecting the apology I'm due when no connection whatsoever is found between myself or any of the listed IP addresses or named accounts. If I'm defending the article at AfD, it's because I largely wrote it. Should I vote to delete my own work? The Master ---)Vote Saxon(--- 03:26, 28 March 2018 (UTC)
 * you know, I have not called you any names, I have just asked why you are so deeply connected to these subjects, argue so vociferously for them, create articles for them, launch person attacks on any one who questions them as you are doing here, and come up with excellent sources from friends of friends as you did at the Nitin AfD. It's a reasonable suspicion. You might be a swell person for all I know.104.163.147.121 (talk) 04:09, 28 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Your question is impossible to answer because it's structured on an assumed conclusion and therefore not an honest one. I'm not "deeply connected", those are your words (repeated to anyone who will listen) and they're patently false. I "argued so vociferously" because I don't want my articles deleted, and I'll wager everyone whose articles are sent to AfD argue for them to be kept as well (to assume otherwise is absurd). I did not "launch personal attacks", what I have done is attempt to defend myself from your character assassination. I cannot see how e-mailing someone to ask them for sources in order to write a *neutral* article = spamming Wikipedia, as WP:AGF is still a policy (though one seemingly not practiced much anymore), but if it is then I am sorry for that. Lastly, the hand-wringing on the Thomas Darnell talk page over the photograph that I asked the Darnells to donate to Commons is bizarre. People ask people to donate photos all the time, how do you think we obtained so many? Since you've only ever edited as an IP I'll assume you've never written an article, so you probably don't know about any of this. The Tl;Dr is that I have an interest in art and underground artists, and occasionally when I discover one I like, I try to see if there's enough to write a Wikipedia article about them. My guess is MOST people at Wikipedia write articles about subjects that interest them. Anyway, my response here is meant more for whomever performs this SPI, as you seem hell bent on making my life here as miserable as possible and I suspect the reaction to this will be a variation of WP:IDIDNTHEARTHAT. Which is ok, really. The article survives over at Everipedia, and I'll likely be focusing more over there than here, moving forward. The Master ---)Vote Saxon(--- 23:01, 30 March 2018 (UTC)
 * your continued evasion of the issue is tiresome. You could answer the questions posed by myself and another editor at Nitin Schroff about your connection to all these artists and pages. Instead, you launch personal attacks like "Have you skipped your medication?". Your behaviour is aggressive and evasive. Even above you say "I did not "launch personal attacks"", which is demonstrably false. The fact is you created three articles on artists who are connected, puffed up the sources, and then hid the fact that you are in email contact with one of them. It's all deeply dubious, as is the sudden appearance of socks around your activities, such as at the Thomas Darnell talk page.104.163.147.121 (talk) 02:07, 31 March 2018 (UTC)
 * The only answer is the one I just provided but just as I thought... WP:IDIDNTHEARTHAT. Your refusal to hear isn't my problem, and your continuing demands for "information" are sad. There is no more information. Now you've tagged another one of my articles for notability, just as you've spent the past several days relentlessly trolling me, wikistalking me, and deliberately trying to make me angry. I couldn't care less. : ) This conversation serves no further purpose and I won't be responding further. The Master ---)Vote Saxon(--- 02:39, 31 March 2018 (UTC)


 * Comment By the way, this SPI is filed incorrectly. Based on age, the original account is Cinesis. You're welcome. The Master ---)Vote Saxon(--- 03:28, 28 March 2018 (UTC)


 * Comment The first two IPs from Spain are pretty clearly the same person and were attempting to vote-stack at the current Articles for deletion/Jesse Waugh (2nd nomination). However, I would be astounded to find that The Master is a sock of Jessewaugh or anyone else. He's an experienced editor whose creations show no obvious signs of paid editing. Yes he's been vociferous in defending Jesse Waugh, but that's normal for someone who has created an article and firmly believes (rightly or wrongly) in the subject's notability. It is possible that Jessewaugh is behind the Spanish IPs, but that's hard to say without a checkuser. Incidentally, there was another single purpose IP 2A00:23C4:2B0C:4700:1934:B5CF:8629:C204 whose sole edit here was to !vote "Keep" in the current discussion . That IP resolves to the UK. Sock? Meat? Proxy server? Coincidence? Who knows? However, both 2A00:23C4:2B0C:4700:1934:B5CF:8629:C204 and 95.125.177.246's comments reflect the theme in Jessewaugh's comments at the AfD that it is a plot against him and a witch hunt. See 2A00:23C4:2B0C:4700:1934:B5CF:8629:C204: "Keep There’s something fishy going on here" and 95.125.177.246: "Strong Keep not sure why so much bloodlust here".


 * As for the rest, it's a murky history of sock and meat puppeting and paid editing going back to 2012 and accounts and IPs which are all stale. However, I'll give some background. The third IP above from Spain is stale but their sole edit was to restore material about Waugh to Art movement in 2017 which Cinesis had twice attempted to add along with a (then) redlink to Jesse Waugh in April 2012, . Cinesis also created two socks to vote-stack with him at Articles for deletion/Jesse R. Waugh. See Sockpuppet investigations/Cinesis/Archive. The first attempt to create an article on the subject was circa 24 May 2013 as Jesse Waugh. It was deleted  as a creation by a sock of Nickaang who ran a paid editing operation with dozens of socks. See Sockpuppet investigations/Nickaang/Archive. Starting in 2013 and continuing up to 2017 a slew of single purpose throw-away accounts (now stale) created articles on other Wikipedias: Hindi, Japanese, French, German, Russian, Italian, Spanish, Arabic, and Hebrew.  This is highly unusual for a subject with very marginal notability even in the English speaking world and strongly suggests that paid editing was involved. The only one of those accounts who also edited here was Warrior68 (later blocked as a sock of Nickaang) who had created the Hindi article in 2013. He created Jesse R Waugh here (after the original deletion of Jesse Waugh and Jesse R. Waugh) and a now-deleted version of the article on Simple WP . So there you have it. Voceditenore (talk) 12:38, 28 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Update Articles for deletion/Jesse Waugh (2nd nomination) has now closed as "Delete". There were no further incursions by IPs. Voceditenore (talk) 09:36, 29 March 2018 (UTC)


 * Further comment. Contrary to The Master's assertion above, this SPI was not filed incorrectly. The oldest account is indeed Jessewaugh. It was created on 27 January 2006 . Cinesis was created on 2 April 2012 . His first edit was that same day to add a copypaste from page 141 of Waugh's book Jesse Waugh: Portrait of an Artist and His Strivings for Pulchrism to Art manifesto . Two weeks earlier someone called "Cinesis" had uploaded the entire book to archive.org under a Creative Commons license, despite it having been published in 2011 with the notice  . Also of note is that in the AfD for Jesse R. Waugh, , a confirmed sock of Cinesis, echoed the same themes used by Jessewaugh in the most recent AfD, i.e. accusing the nominator and one of the "Delete" !voters of having "ulterior motives" and "vested interests" and pursuing a "vendetta" , .  In fact both HSoberg and Jessewaugh used the exact phrase "gang tactics" to describe the delete votes. See HSoberg in the Jesse R. Waugh AfD and Jessewaugh in the 2nd Jesse Waugh AfD. Voceditenore (talk) 10:33, 29 March 2018 (UTC) (Updated by Voceditenore (talk) 14:59, 30 March 2018 (UTC))
 * You are correct, my mistake. The Master ---)Vote Saxon(--- 04:04, 30 March 2018 (UTC)


 * It seems rational at this point, given the above, to request a checkuser for Jessewaugh, Cinesis and the IP accounts. (Edit: and User:The Master as well based on all the documented weirdness going on above. And me too if you like!). 104.163.147.121 (talk) 01:49, 30 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Cinesis will be stale, having not edited since 2013. The Master ---)Vote Saxon(--- 04:04, 30 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Apart from Cinesis and 83.53.29.244 being stale and useless for a CU, checkusers do not go on fishing expeditions. It requires firm behavioural evidence or a long history of socking first. Neither of these criteria apply to The Master, as far as I can see. I think there may be enough behavioural evidence to link Jessewaugh to Cinesis and to 95.125.177.246, 81.44.32.50, and 2A00:23C4:2B0C:4700:1934:B5CF:8629:C204. Thus, a checkuser might decide to compare Jessewaugh to those three non-stale IPs and those IPs to each other. But even there, it might be a case of meat puppets recruited by Waugh to vote-stack the most recent AfD. Voceditenore (talk) 08:09, 30 March 2018 (UTC)
 * There is behavioural evidence to connect Jessewaugh and The Master: a) at the Afd for Jesse Waugh, b) in the creation of the Jesse Waugh page with such marginal puffed up references, and c) at Commons where The Master argues to keep 37 images that JesseWaugh had uploaded. I mean, who would ever need thirty-seven images for an article or an artist? 104.163.147.121 (talk) 02:38, 31 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Fishing expedition. The Master ---)Vote Saxon(--- 02:41, 31 March 2018 (UTC)
 * for the record, during this entire exchange you failed to mention your past block for abusing multiple accounts.104.163.158.37 (talk) 05:43, 6 April 2018 (UTC)

Clerk, CheckUser, and/or patrolling admin comments

 * Insufficient evidence. Closing. Bbb23 (talk) 12:17, 2 April 2018 (UTC)