Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Johnny15678/Archive

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For a number of weeks an Australian editor using a variety of IPs (geolocated in or near Melbourne) has been disruptively edit warring over a number of Turkish/Ottoman Empire related wars/battles. A report at Administrators' noticeboard/IncidentArchive1050 resulted in several pages being semi-protected to stop their disruption. The Johnny15678 account was created at 02:45, 3 November 2020 and used briefly, only to be abandoned and they returned to the same articles using their latest IP. The editor was warned here by me to use their account instead of continuing to edit war while logged out, but since then they have continued to edit war while logged out. They have received numerous other messages warning regarding edit warring, see for example here, here, here, and here. FDW777 (talk) 14:29, 4 November 2020 (UTC) FDW777 (talk) 14:29, 4 November 2020 (UTC)

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– Checkuser won't confirm IPs to accounts. But meanwhile I've blocked for a week for edit warring. Their contribution history shows that nearly all their changes have been reverted by others. Other admins could make a decision on blocking Johnny15678 based on behavior if they wish. EdJohnston (talk) 17:00, 11 November 2020 (UTC)


 * Johnny15678 looks similar to the listed IP, but it's been long enough since they last edited that I don't think a block is worthwhile. Closing without action for now. GeneralNotability (talk) 14:02, 13 November 2020 (UTC)

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Note that I'm filing this under Johnny15678 as that's where previous IP sockpuppets of that account have been reported. If it should be under KemalistTurk1994, then feel free to move to a more appropriate place.

Both the latest IP and the KemalistTurk1994 account are being used to edit war on the same articles. For example at there's this edit at 07:26, 22 November 2020 by the IP, repeated at 11:39, 22 November 2020 by KemalistTurk1994, then again at 11:48, 22 November 2020 by the IP. The history of shows similar behaviour. Current disruptive behaviour includes edits such as this to Battle of Yarmouk changing "Rashidun Caliphate victory" to "Byzantine victory", despite the article saying the exact opposite (indeed, the lead says it was Khalid ibn al-Walid's greatest military victory, and he was commander of the Rashidun Caliphate). This editor has been disruptive across many other articles relating to the Ottoman Empire/Turkey, see for example Administrators' noticeboard/IncidentArchive1050 and Administrators' noticeboard/3RRArchive420. If possible, some outcome that results in an account or IP being blocked for a significant amount of time would help to deal with this editor, so all future disruptive edits can simply be reverted as being by block evading sockpuppets. Thank you. FDW777 (talk) 11:57, 22 November 2020 (UTC)

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 * Johnny15678 and KemalistTurk1994 share a lot of similarities; recently created, focusing on Turkish military history of the early 20th century, edits showing nationalistic POV pushing (Is the city called Constantinople or Istanbul? Is it "Turkey" or the "Ankara Government"?)  All edits by both users are "Mobile edit Mobile web edit Visual edit".  There's enough here to convince me they're the same person.  1 week for the master, indef with tag for the sock.  As for the IP, it looks like this is a quasi-static allocation out of 194.223.0.0/16, and there's other legitimate traffic on that range.  I'll block 194.223.55.166 for a week, but I suspect that's going to be kind of pointless.  Semi-protecting articles may be a more effective strategy going forward. -- RoySmith (talk) 00:26, 2 December 2020 (UTC)

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Similar username to previous sockpuppet, similar attempt to increase the prominence of Mustafa Kemal Bey in the infobox as known IP sockpuppet here. FDW777 (talk) 10:41, 23 December 2020 (UTC)

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 * KemalistTurk1994 is ✅ to and.
 * Johnny15678 is ✅ to which was created prior to their 1 week block.
 * Johnny15678, KemalistTurk1994 and Kemalist Beast1994 are all highly to each other.
 * I've blocked and tagged the accounts based on the CU result and the beahviour. Closing. Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 00:35, 25 December 2020 (UTC)


 * Just noting that while Johnny1567 is technically the oldest account I'm going to leave it as is given the small time difference and edit count. Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 00:37, 25 December 2020 (UTC)

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These are all CU-confirmed to User:Kemalist Beast1994. They are blocked but not yet tagged. Thank you. Drmies (talk) 15:41, 21 February 2021 (UTC) Drmies (talk) 15:41, 21 February 2021 (UTC)


 * are you sure you're dealing with the right sockmaster? Kemalist Beast1994 is a sockpuppet of Johnny15678, see Sockpuppet investigations/Johnny15678/Archive. From my experience of dealing with that sockmaster, they are based in the Melbourne area of Australia, whereas KızılBörü1071 is based in Turkey. FDW777 (talk) 15:51, 21 February 2021 (UTC)
 * , are you kidding? There's more of these? No, I didn't look at geolocation or confirm what KemalistBeast was: I think you know that I had a few reasons to think it's KizilBoru. Well, maybe the clerk knows better what to do. Thanks. Drmies (talk) 15:54, 21 February 2021 (UTC)
 * No, I'm deadly serious. For Johnny15678 background see Administrators' noticeboard/IncidentArchive1050, they initially specialised in adding "decisive" to Ottoman Empire/Turkish victories, then branched out into more general Turkish nationalist POV pushing. They definitely overlap with KızılBörü1071 in terms of articles, but Johnny15678 is definitely based in Australia. KızılBörü1071's location I wasn't so sure about until a few days ago, due to edits at Siege of Shkodra on 15 February when was active at the same time as two KızılBörü1071 sockpuppets, one of them making the same edit. Obviously you'll know much better than me which account is a sockpuppet of which sockmaster, but if the latest accounts are confirmed to be Kemalist Beast1994 then they would appear to be Johnny15678 sockpuppets per Sockpuppet investigations/Johnny15678/Archive. FDW777 (talk) 16:03, 21 February 2021 (UTC)

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 * Would a clerk please move this investigation, and other related investigations on this page (if any), to Sockpuppet investigations/Johnny15678? This may be a complicated request. —  Newslinger  talk   00:49, 28 February 2021 (UTC)
 * After closing the other investigations on this page based on checkuser responses, I believe this is the only investigation that needs to be moved to Sockpuppet investigations/Johnny15678. —  Newslinger  talk   10:03, 2 March 2021 (UTC)


 * Tagged. —  Newslinger  talk   10:06, 2 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Moved, closing, Cabayi (talk) 11:18, 4 March 2021 (UTC)
 * looks like the senior account here. My plan is to rename the case, but wanted to check with you guys to make sure I'm not missing something. -- RoySmith (talk) 00:10, 5 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Hi, and  are very similar behaviorally (Long-term abuse/KızılBörü1071), but the three accounts in this investigation are only CheckUser-confirmed to Kemalist Beast1994. Kemalist Beast1994 was CheckUser-confirmed to Johnny15678 on 23 December 2020, and the scan should have also picked up some of the sockpuppets of KızılBörü1071 from that time period, unless the same individual is operating the sockpuppets of Johnny15678 and KızılBörü1071 from two distinct sets of IP addresses. I suppose that's possible, but I'm not sure without a CheckUser result. —  Newslinger   talk   06:56, 5 March 2021 (UTC)
 * , OK, I see what's going on, thanks. I've struck KızılBörü1071 in the sock list above to avoid future confusion. -- RoySmith (talk) 00:43, 6 March 2021 (UTC)

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Checkuser requested to make certain, and to sweep for more socks from this prolific puppeteer.

Prins van Oranje registered the username one day after Alfred the Lesser was blocked. Alfred the Lesser started out as User:Basileus Manuel Komnenos on 19 September 2020, then changed name to Alfred the Lesser a month later. Alfred the Lesser's fourth, fifth and sixth edits were at Serbia and Montenegro, continuing the non-neutral POV of User:Alexiod Palaiologos and User:Fredericus Rex mein konig und herr, both of whom were blocked four days before the username Basileus Manuel Komnenos was registered. The first-ever edit of Fredericus Rex mein konig und herr was to argue in favor of Alexiod Palaiologos at WP:AE, showing a clear violation of WP:MULTIPLE. Alfred the Lesser edited Konarak vessel friendly-fire incident to make it look more like a battle between friendly forces, and the very next edit was Prins van Oranje adding insult to injury by declaring a winner. Prins van Oranje has made many sandbox edits with all-caps laughing edit summaries such as this, similar to Alfred the Lesser in mainspace. Blocked sock Turkish Slayer added a bunch of flags for military leaders, then Alfred the Lesser restored the flags, At the same article, Australian IP 203.221.7.185 added "decisive" victory three times, and was reverted every time.

Three of these editors contributed to Evros River incident, adding analysis more friendly to the Greek viewpoint: Alexiod Palaiologos, Alfred the Lesser, and Prins van Oranje.

All of these editors have been editing in controversial Turkey/Balkans topics, and in polarized US political topics. In UK topics, both Prins van Oranje and Alfred the Lesser contributed arguments to move discussions at Talk:Captain Tom Moore, both users advocating the impractically ambiguous "Tom Moore" name. Binksternet (talk) 20:21, 14 March 2021 (UTC)


 * I find the connection with Alexiod Palaiologos the most convincing (although I haven't looked at Alfred the Lesser's edits), the intersection of articles is rather revealing, in addition to all sorts of wars and battles you get the common article of City pop. I'm less convinced of a connection with Johnny15678, as the history of this SPI shows they originally started out as a single purpose account whose only edits were to add "Decisive" to battle infoboxes solely relating to Turkey and the Ottoman Empire, see Administrators' noticeboard/IncidentArchive1050. FDW777 (talk) 20:33, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

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 * The accounts are ✅ to one another. They appear ❌ to the master. .  ~Oshwah~  (talk) (contribs)   01:07, 16 March 2021 (UTC)


 * Closing this, as the only confirmed sock is already blocked. – bradv  🍁  04:39, 15 April 2021 (UTC)