Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Jon Deen/Archive

23 May 2015

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User:Sini zaichik created is the main editor of Zhenya Gershman. Now it's up for AfD, and the only edit of new account User:Jeremy chessman is to oppose deletion. Seems like an obvious sock, especially as this tactic is often used at AfDs. Joseph2302 (talk) 17:39, 23 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Adding the article creator, User:Jon Deen- this probably needs to move to Sockpuppet investigations/Jon Deen. Joseph2302 (talk) 18:03, 23 May 2015 (UTC)

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Accusation on this page is "bad faith" (an editor is making a fake case for an "attack" to prevent their own editing being examined).Sini zaichik (talk) 17:42, 23 May 2015 (UTC)


 * Really? Because I've made thousands of edits. And your only edits are to this page, and the only edits of the other user is to the AfD, and it's common for new users to try and use sockpuppets to influence AfDs. Enough evidence that it's worth a check- unlike your post saying my edits should be examined- please explain what is wrong with them? Joseph2302 (talk) 17:45, 23 May 2015 (UTC)

I did not create Zhenya Gershman article, but did defend it being inaccurately edited and proposed for deletion. Your assumption was wrong.Sini zaichik (talk) 17:50, 23 May 2015 (UTC) In addition I did not create Zhenya Gershman article, but did defend it being inaccurately edited and proposed for deletion. Sini zaichik (talk) 17:44, 23 May 2015 (UTC)


 * I've corrected my original statement, and added the article creator as possible sockpuppet too. Joseph2302 (talk) 18:03, 23 May 2015 (UTC)

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 * is between ❌ and . and  are between  and  but closer to . What is most likely is meat. If any action is to be taken, the case should be moved to Jon Deen. If not, it's up to the clerk's discretion.--Bbb23 (talk) 19:51, 23 May 2015 (UTC)
 * No action taken, I agree with the conclusion that this is WP:MEAT if anything, and the activity is not disruptive enough to warrant a block. &mdash;Darkwind (talk) 05:52, 5 June 2015 (UTC)

18 July 2015

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This is a re-opening of the archived Sockpuppet investigations/Sini zaichik filed by, as the same alleged socks have rallied once more in defense of their article since it is now up at AFD (again). Noticeably, the alleged accounts were all created 22-23 May 2015, all edited this article Zhenya Gershman to the exclusion or near exclusion of every other article here all participated in the first afd as keep commenters, all went silent right after the first afd, and all have now reemerge a month later at the same time to defend the article in its second AFD. That screams sock to me, and in the interest of blocking abusive accounts I'm relisting this for consideration. TomStar81 (Talk) 10:46, 18 July 2015 (UTC) TomStar81 (Talk) 10:46, 18 July 2015 (UTC)
 * To me this looks likely to be meatpuppetry by one of the undisclosed paid editing rings, but we might as well go ahead and try this process. There are slight behavioral differences in misspellings, typos and use of mobile editing. Chessman appears to me to be a well educated native US English speaker, Deen not quite native level, probably from a language that doesn't use tenses and definite articles quite the same (my guess Russian based on subject matter). These factors indicate probably different individuals. Deen and zaichik are stylistically indistinguishable to me, notably they both have an idiosyncratic way of hyphenating compound words, so I'd endorse the investigation at least against these two. — Brianhe (talk) 17:53, 19 July 2015 (UTC)
 * There is some leeway given to deal with meatpuppets though, as noted on the sockpuppetry page:
 * A 2005 Arbitration Committee decision established that "for the purpose of dispute resolution when there is uncertainty whether a party is one user with sockpuppets or several users with similar editing habits they may be treated as one user with sockpuppets."
 * Under the circumstances, this could be construed as a case in which meats could be treated as socks since there is a dispute here over whether the article up at afd should be kept or deleted. TomStar81 (Talk) 22:27, 22 July 2015 (UTC)

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The claim is not relevant to sock puppetry. Jon Deen (talk) 04:15, 22 July 2015 (UTC)

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 * I merged Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Sini zaichik with this one, so that we have all on one place.  Vanjagenije  (talk)  14:39, 20 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Those three accounts were already compared by the CU, and nothing was found. Behavioral evidence is simply not enough to block them. I'm closing this case because of the lack of evidence.  Vanjagenije  (talk)  23:36, 4 August 2015 (UTC)