Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/JonnyBonesJones/Archive

06 January 2013

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Mixed_martial_arts Take a look at the actions of JonnyBonesJones. He was recomending countless articles for deletion. He was eventually banned. Almost immediately after his ban, JadeSnake shows up adn picks up right where JonnyBonesJones left off. Check out http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Jamie_Yager .This was an article submitted by JonnyBonesJones that was closed out as a keep. It was almose immediately re-submitted by JadeSnake. JonnyBonesJones used to follow me around and undo or modify my edits a certain way. Now there are a couple other accounts doing the exact same editing in the exact same way. TreyGeek, Poison Whiskey, and LlamaAl. http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Willdawg111&action=history Look at my talk page. They are putting in the same false accusations of violating 3 revert rule. They are doing it here: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:WikiProject_Mixed_martial_arts&action=history .http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Bellator_Fighting_Championships:_Season_Seven&action=history They are not only doing the same things as each other, they are doing the exact same thing that JonnyBonesJones did. The http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Mixed_martial_arts is full of comments and voting where these accounts are saying the same thing and many times one right after the other. Willdawg111 (talk) 22:31, 6 January 2013 (UTC)

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 * I have also been watching this user, my suspicions don't yet rise to the level of but they are getting close, I have added a request for a CU check here as that may help to say one way or another, it might also be worth checking for other accounts as this is after all MMA and there is a long history of blocked editors returning to sock and there are one or two other accounts that remind me of JBJ new here.   ✍   Mtking  ✉ 09:42, 7 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Question Can I get a clarification on the submitter's purpose of naming TreyGeek, Poison Whiskey, and LlamaA. Are they accusing these three accounts of also being socks?  --TreyGeek (talk) 14:03, 7 January 2013 (UTC)

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 * I've added Yvenscolbert, who's contribs are nothing but adding national flags that the master did, against WP:MOSFLAG. I'm reviewing others and looking at diffs before considering endorsing for CU or not.  Dennis Brown -  2&cent;    &copy;  Join WER 14:15, 7 January 2013 (UTC)
 * - for Yvenscolbert only. JadeSnake's connection isn't firmly established enough for me to endorse for him.  The fact is, there are a lot of MMA SPAs on both sides of the notability issue, and very often their actions are similar enough due to a sharing a similar perspective.  Short of specific actions and/or wording, I can't be sure enough to justify.  Yven's case, there is a link to the exact same behavior, but not enough for a duck block.  As MMA is often fraught with multiple sleepers, I think a sleeper check is warranted if a connection is established. Dennis Brown -  2&cent;    &copy;  Join WER 14:31, 7 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Interestingly enough, Yvenscolbert is almost certainly ❌ but JadeSnake pops up as ✅ without even having to look for it. &mdash; Coren (talk) 14:49, 7 January 2013 (UTC)
 * I told you, all those MMA SPAs look alike ;-) Action taken, closing.  Dennis Brown -  2&cent;    &copy;  Join WER 14:57, 7 January 2013 (UTC)

09 January 2013

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Clearly in the same tone as JBJ's "final message", whois would indicate it is a webhost so will probably be in need of a looooooong block. Also please consider revdel'ing the edit sum of his edit as per WP:DENY   ✍   Mtking  ✉ 08:03, 9 January 2013 (UTC)

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 * I've blocked the webhost. Closing. Reaper Eternal (talk) 14:01, 9 January 2013 (UTC)

09 January 2013

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I have received what I believe to be credible off-wiki communication that would indicate that Glock17gen4 ‎is indeed the actual Sockmaster of both of these socks. I think that CU may be stale on this but as per a comment let by Dennis Brown on his talk I am asking for a CU to look into this.

Firstly the JBJ account was created just before the Glock17gen4 was indef'ed blocked, both of them are MMA SPA's who have nominated WWF articles for deletion in "retaliation" for the nomination of MMA articles, both have the same battleground mentality and block log to show for it. Then there are the 280 common pages they have edited in a little less than the same number of days.

If the above is not sufficient to show WP:DUCK, if the reviewing admin would like to e-mail me directly I can provide further prof directly by e-mail (not willing to disclose in a public setting per WP:BEANS).  ✍   Mtking  ✉ 23:50, 9 January 2013 (UTC)

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Glock is stale as far as CU goes. I'm satisfied with the volume of quacking, I've been casting around for a while as to whose sock JonnyBonesJones is, but aren't both accounts blocked anyway.

Incidentally, I note Dennis has a note somewhere on his talkpage suggesting JonnyBonesJones is Llama Al. He definitely isn't.--Elen of the Roads (talk) 00:05, 10 January 2013 (UTC)
 * To be clear, someone else made that claim, I dismissed it as not being part of the investigation.  I had suggested a CU look at these two only to determine if a histmerge was in order.  Dennis Brown -  2&cent;    &copy;  Join WER 00:12, 10 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Definitely not. It's easy to see if I'm a sock. I live in South America. --LlamaAl (talk) 00:16, 10 January 2013 (UTC)
 * - Declined per Elen. Rschen7754 06:29, 10 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Not able to tell for sure, and both accounts are already blocked. Rschen7754 06:29, 10 January 2013 (UTC)
 * I think what he is wanting is just for an experienced CU who is familiar with the case to make a determination. They are both blocked, this is true, but if they are the same person, it would be helpful for future investigations if they were merged if they are truly one in the same.  Dennis Brown -  2&cent;    &copy;  Join WER 13:14, 10 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Adding after this was archived. 90% of all the MMA sox are whoever is behind the BStudent0 account. ANobody also had a sock in the drawer, but the folks familiar with his editing believe he is unrelated to BStudent0. LlamaAl does indeed live in South America, and I'm happy to accept his incident as a youthful tactical error. I checked JonnyBonesJones a month ago, as a result of an email query, and can confirm that whoever is behind the account, it isn't BStudent0, and I was unable to identify any socks of JonnyBonesJones at that point. --Elen of the Roads (talk) 20:38, 10 January 2013 (UTC)

13 January 2013

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http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Strikeforce:_Marquardt_vs._Saffiedine&action=history. The IP address is doing the same exacty consistant undoing of entries. He also refuses to use the talk pages and ignornes warning just like the original JonnyBonesJones does. http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=UFC_150&action=history LlamaAl talk does the exact same counter editing. http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=UFC_152&action=history LlamaAl has made a point to issuing Barnstars to the previouslly banned account (JonnyBonesJones and confirmed sockpuppet Jadesnake) without any apparent justification. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Andreas_Kraniotakes When we have afd discussion, they follow one another with the same failed arguments, which happens to be the same failed arguments that JonnyBonesJones used as well as his confirmed sockpuppet JadeSnake. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Antony_Rea Willdawg111 (talk) 20:29, 13 January 2013 (UTC)

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 * I don't know if the accused are sockpuppets or not, I'll leave that up to the CU. I would like to comment on basing the sockpuppet accusations on the AfD discussions mentioned.  When I look at both of those discussions I see a number of editors using the same reason to delete and I don't believe they're all sockpuppets. Papaursa (talk) 22:42, 13 January 2013 (UTC)
 * This is ridiculous. I'm not a scokpuppet. --LlamaAl (talk) 23:07, 13 January 2013 (UTC)
 * I assert that JakeJr is a sockpuppet of johnnybonesjones based on this obvious patttern. Come on, Jakejr, jadesnake, Jake the Snake Roberts anyone? And now that I have been calling him out for a bit he has decided to lay low and pick off fringe martial arts topics such as here, and here

Please look at these afd logs and you will see that the accused are clinging to the same thing, nearly word for word. coincidence maybe. But look here here here here here here. I'm not contesting those deletions. It just seems odd to see the same people using the same tired arguments in unison. PortlandOregon97217 (talk) 02:41, 14 January 2013 (UTC)


 * I am not seeing it at all with LlamaAl or Poison Whiskey, and would suggest that Willdawg111 either gives more diff's or withdraws the accusation. Different story with Jakejr think that there is enough to warrant a CU on that account (and have requested it) and also a check for sleeper accounts as JBJ has used them before (I also still feel that the is a strong link to a prior account as per the archive). IP address is moot as the CU won't link and has not taken part in AfD so nothing much to go on.  ✍   Mtking  ✉ 03:17, 14 January 2013 (UTC)
 * further to that I have struck LlamaAl, if you check the archive a CU has confirmed that there is no link less than a week ago.  ✍   Mtking  ✉ 03:20, 14 January 2013 (UTC)
 * If you look here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Dennis_Brown#Ottawahitech. We asked about this after the last one was closed out and the admin involved said that they didn't check the other users, just JadeSnake, which is why we had to re-open it. I believe there is more than enough evidence provided to run a check on them. If they can't find a crossover on the IP addresses, then it will be closed out with nothing done. If they aren't sockpuppets or linked together then they have nothing to be concerned with do they? Willdawg111 (talk) 03:54, 14 January 2013 (UTC)
 * What about Jakejr? PortlandOregon97217 (talk) 04:18, 14 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Based on his talk page comment, I believe you and Willdawg have managed to drive him off of Wikipedia. Congratulations. Papaursa (talk) 06:19, 14 January 2013 (UTC)

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 * - The report is not matching up (from what I see) to what is actually happening in the histories, and there are no diffs provided for several hundred edit users, one which has 4k edits. -- DQ   (ʞlɐʇ)  04:00, 14 January 2013 (UTC)
 * On my talk I was asked to check Jakejr, and I found enough evidence for a check. He is ❌. -- DQ   (ʞlɐʇ)  04:45, 14 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Closing with prejudice. LlamaAl was cleared a week ago by a former Arb and myself, to raising him again without substantial evidence is disruptive.  SPI isn't a place for fishing.  Note that IP has been checked for open proxy, nothing found, and it geolocates in a different continent than any known sock.  Matching socks with MMA editors has always been difficult as the subject is polarizing and many people share the same views.  Dennis Brown -  2&cent;    &copy;  Join WER 14:39, 14 January 2013 (UTC)