Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Jossyys/Archive

11 April 2016

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EVIDENCE:

1. Bass1990 is by admission the account created by 117.196.150.216: in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/Josslined

2. 117.196.150.216 and (talk)117.213.58.242 (talk) have made several disruptive edits of the Saint Thomas Christian article.

An edit war was reported and the page was granted semi-protected status: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Edit_warring#User:117.196.150.216_reported_by_User:Josslined_.28Result:_Semi.29

3. After the page was given semi-protected status and the above two ip addresses and Bass1990 could not edit the article, the Jossyys account made the same edits.

Diffs of Jossyys making the same edit:

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Saint_Thomas_Christians&type=revision&diff=714649769&oldid=714598533

User Jossyys didn't engage in discussion in the talk page of the article: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Saint_Thomas_Christians#Edit_War_2

4. The user Jossyys is an account that is not frequently used. It's main contributions are on the Saint Thomas Christians and related topics with a certain point of view (emphasizing a purported non-Indian origins of the community).

Last year the user too engaged in disruptive edits on the page (they were fielding a bogus claim that Saint Thomas Christians were by tradition Jewish Christians- which is not found in any standard sources on the topic), though I don't think they did 3 reversals in a single day period.

User Contributions: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Contributions/Jossyys&dir=prev&offset=20150315142647&target=Jossyys

Diffs of a nascent edit war:

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Saint_Thomas_Christians&diff=prev&oldid=651338393 https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Saint_Thomas_Christians&diff=prev&oldid=651297862

4. Bass1990 in response to disruptive editing made a false accusation me of sockpuppetry:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/Josslined

A similar false accusation was levelled at me by Jossyys last year during his bout of disruptive editing.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/Jabramse/Archive

This provides supplementary evidence of a similar pattern of behavior.

5. Summary

117.196.150.216 and (talk)117.213.58.242(talk) were engaging in edit war as a result the page was granted semi-protect status. The newly created account couldn't edit the article hence the user reverted to its old not frequently used account to resume their disruptive editing.

6. Conclusion: The ip addresses and the accounts mentioned have engaged in similar editorial behaviour (the same reverts were made) in an a recent edit war exercise. The account Jossyys has history of making similar disruptive edits on the page. Both accounts have made bogus sock-puppetry accusations. This is sufficient evidence that the accounts and the ip addresses are:

1. Operated by the same person due to similar pattern of disruptive editing and bogus accusations

2. Have been disruptive

3. I don't know whether Check User will be useful

3. The diffs are provided above.

Josslined (talk) 23:05, 11 April 2016 (UTC) Josslined (talk) 23:05, 11 April 2016 (UTC)

EDIT Further evidence:

Jossyys (talk) main complaint (see below) is that I removed a source. This is actually not true. I changed the source for the first paragraph from Fahlbusch to Frykenberg. Fahlbusch is still cited in the first line of the second section. Frykenberg is the comprehensive source on this topic while Fahlsburg provides a couple of lines of reductive exposition.

The user 117.196.150.216 after breaking the 4 revert rule did comment on the discussion page citing Fahlsburg for supporting a claim in the second section that I wanted to qualify-the claim was simplistic and lacked nuance found in other sources.

See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Saint_Thomas_Christians#Edit_War_2:

"According to Citation 4 given in the first paragraph, ".... Thomas landed in Muziris .... in AD 52 ...." Then, why do you change it to around AD 52? You cannot do that. 117.196.150.216 (talk) 15:17, 9 April 2016 (UTC)"

Note citation 4 was Fahlsburg. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Josslined (talk • contribs) 10:23, 12 April 2016 (UTC)

This is further evidence that Jossyys and 117.196.150.216 are the same. Josslined (talk) 10:26, 12 April 2016 (UTC)

Comments by other users
''Accused parties may also comment/discuss in this section below. See Defending yourself against claims.''

Please see the difference between the IP edits, and my edits ,. I mainly objected to the removal of established citations by Josslined and restored those citations. Those citations, of course, contradict Josslined's claims. Jossyys (talk) 09:46, 12 April 2016 (UTC)

Clerk, CheckUser, and/or patrolling admin comments

 * Jossyys and Bass1990 are .--Bbb23 (talk) 14:13, 20 April 2016 (UTC)
 * This is a tough one. I'll leave the final determination up to the blocking patrolling administrator. I do have to note,, that even the diffs you present support the connection between 117.196.150.216 and yourself, as well as your focus on the article Saint Thomas Christians – you have 330 edits total, and have edited since 2012, but your first edit ever was to that very article, and have been steadily reverting other editors at that page for the past years. We do assume good faith, however, and much of this evidence can be explained away. Kevin ( aka L235 ·&#32; t ·&#32; c) 21:51, 21 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Oof, clarified remark. Kevin ( aka L235 ·&#32; t ·&#32; c) 17:24, 24 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Closing without action without prejudice to filing in the future based on more evidence. Kevin ( aka L235 ·&#32; t ·&#32; c) 21:27, 6 June 2016 (UTC)