Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/JustGettingItRight/Archive

Suspected sockpuppets

 * (added after initial request)
 * 74.162.147.17 (added after initial request)
 * 74.162.131.223 (added after initial request)
 * 74.162.131.223 (added after initial request)

Evidence submitted by Cptnono
User:JustGettingItRight was indefinitely blocked in May '09. On May 4, 2010, I added a speedy deletion of a file notice to the user's talk page not realizing it was a indefinite block. Since then, the IP has removed the speedy deletion tag twice and has attempted (incorrectly) to add a FUR to the image. The image was originally added by JustGettingItRight in March '09 and he attempted something similar when a bot categorized it for not having a FUR in April '09.

He attempted (incorrectly) to create a discussion at Wikipedia:Non-free content review. I started it and another editor noted that it might be possible that it was a sock. That user than made an additional response after looking at the two accounts histories. I would agree. It appears that both JustGettingItRight and the IP seem interested in various economic policies in the US and Free Republic.

This is not meant to take care of the deletion discussion. That is a separate thing going on over there by the greater community so this should not be viewed as a way to "win" since it doesn't matter if the IP stays or not.Cptnono (talk) 02:02, 7 May 2010 (UTC)


 * Look at his edit history, this is User:Mbhiii who edit wars and avoids blocks and also wikistalks via IPs. 108.120.114.225 (talk) 02:37, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Oh wow: Mbhiii had a note on his talk page about a nonfree image. 12.7.202 was one of the first to chime in at the related discussion. Similar topic areas (American conservative politics) and edit warring. Mbhiii has multiple sock mentions at their talk page. Cptnono (talk) 03:12, 7 May 2010 (UTC)


 * Hey, there are many more socks listed at Category:Suspected Wikipedia sockpuppets of Mbhiii and some have had indef blocks as well such as on the talk page for User talk:65.246.126.130. 108.120.114.225 (talk) 12:08, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Both IP #65 and #12 are "Applied Research Associates". I think "duck" is the only way to label this. All three need to be blocked. A checkuser might help find other ones as well.Cptnono (talk) 23:00, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
 * And IP#12 essentially admits to being Mbhiii here.Cptnono (talk) 01:54, 8 May 2010 (UTC)
 * User:74.162.147.17 just reverted another editor. IP matches the location of IP #12. Contentious edits and skirting 3rr by switching IPs.
 * And another similar IP from NC made another questionable edit. His summary was "Get it right" Cptnono (talk) 23:59, 8 May 2010 (UTC)

Comments by accused parties
See Defending yourself against claims.

Comments by other users
Mbhiii uses IP's extensively. There is an archived sockpuppet investigation, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/Mbhiii/Archive and he has used many many more since then, mostly in the 74.162.xxx.xxx range. 64.4.119.11 (talk) 01:02, 8 May 2010 (UTC)


 * As noted above (and on his archived SPI page), Mbhiii edits under IPs when he is not logged in. That, in itself, does not constitute an "abusive sockpuppetry" violation, although it is curious. I haven't seen any attempts to "skirt 3RR by switching IPs" by Mbhiii/IPs, as suggested above.  I also do not see any relationship between the edits of Mbhiii/IPs and JustGettingItRight, as they edit from opposite POVs and they have just a single article in common: Free Republic.
 * What I do see is just another battle in the very long ongoing war between (Jmcnamera-aka-Mohummy-aka-68.25.103.189-aka-173.xxx.xxx.xxx) versus (Mbhiii-aka-12.7.202.2) -- and neither of these editors looks like "JustGettingItRight". Xenophrenic (talk) 20:33, 11 May 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm not familiar with the other users. The overly coincidental image problem was enough (in my eyes) to open this up. As noted up top, Mbhiii was added after this was opened.Cptnono (talk) 21:40, 11 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Mbhiii (12.7.202.2) was added AS this was opened - he was your first suspect. It is pretty common knowledge that 12.7.202.2 and Mbhiii are openly the same editor. The anon IPs chiming in here against Mbhiii (12.7.202.2) are probably socks of Jmcnamera; that's all I was saying. By the way, you do know JustGettingItRight = 24.175.70.181, right? See this or this or this edit. Xenophrenic (talk) 21:52, 11 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Of course 12.7.202.2 was added when he was opened. He is the accused sockpuppet w/ JGR being the accused sock master. IP#24 is in Dallas so that changes things some (of course I didn't know, what a silly question). Still seems like too much of a coincidence. The image thing, similar editing pattern and topics. Maybe the two edits from TX in March was a business trip. I don't care who the other editors chiming in against Mbhiii are but I do now think that this needs to be moved to Mbhiii as well since he is abusing IPs to skirt 3rr (see the Teabagger related articles).Cptnono (talk) 22:03, 11 May 2010 (UTC)
 * A business trip lasting months? I just checked a couple "teabagger related articles" and I do not see the IPs being used to skirt the 3RR. Can you please point me to a specific article and 4th revert?  Much thanks, Xenophrenic (talk) 22:17, 11 May 2010 (UTC)
 * (edit conflict)Multiple IPs at Teabagger and the image discussion (already linked so scroll up) (oops just #12). It is close to 3rr even if it has not been breached. And I suspect it would have been well over if others participated more. At a minimum it is edit warring over an extended period. It could also appear to be falsifying who agrees and who does not agree. And editors have warned the user on their talk page to not make contentious edits as an IP. There is a history of a misuse of IPs which is clear from Mbhiii's talk page and SPI investigations. So you can argue that it is not JustGettingItRight (it still appears to be a possibility) but I see no way that Mbhiii cannot be considered disruptive and misusing IPs. The other IPs accusing the editor might be acting inappropriately as well but you should open up a separate discussion about them instead of giving Mbhiii a pass. If this is closed it needs to be replicated at Mbhiii's SPI and the user should be blocked for continued disruption. Still wonder what a clerk or other editors think about JustGettingItRight since it has come up from up to four editors now (see the talk page for the image listed above as well as here).Cptnono (talk) 22:30, 11 May 2010 (UTC)
 * So in summary: There has been no actual violation of 3RR. There has been no "abusive use" of alternate accounts or IPs (recently, anyway). There has been no use of multiple accounts to influence consensus discussions. And User:JustGettingItRight isn't related to any other account or IP mentioned on this report.  I'll concede that you guys are edit warring, but that qualification was met as soon as one of you reverted the other.  You two should be hashing out your disagreements on the article talk page. Xenophrenic (talk) 04:24, 12 May 2010 (UTC)


 * And don't word your comments like you have not added additional links. It is frustrating. It does now appear that the 3 edits from TX were over a span of a month. Family vacation, proxy, or something else. I do not know. I do know that the other evidence raises an eyebrow.Cptnono (talk) 22:34, 11 May 2010 (UTC)
 * I did add additional links without noting them on this page; my apologies for any confusion that may have caused. As for "the other evidence" that raises eyebrows, I haven't seen it.  Two different editors with hundreds of edits each, but only one item in common (that Teabagger image used in the Free Republic article) doesn't appear to be evidence of anything.  Am I overlooking something? Xenophrenic (talk) 04:24, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
 * No need to apologize. I felt like a dummy for a second and was like "what the...".
 * As mentioned at the top:This was opened primarily after seeing another user's comment at the deletion discussion. The IP did not join in the discussion until shortly after I notified the blocked user. Both have problems uploading nonfree images. Then there are the minor issues of them both edit warring and being active in similar topics. And the "Get it right" edit summary doesn't seem like proof at all but it was interesting. I made a mention at the deletion discussion for the other user to provide input. Maybe he is one of the IPs maybe not. It is to the point now where I don;t care much if the SPI goes through because I believe there is ample evidence that MBi is using the IP and I believe he will catch some flak for that from looking at his talk page.Cptnono (talk) 04:44, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
 * And none of the accused responding although being notified makes me think there are some shenanigans even more. But I suppose that could be looked at in a different way.Cptnono (talk) 05:14, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, don't get me wrong - while it may sound like I'm defending Mbhiii, I'm only clarifying that I am fairly sure the JustGettingItRight guy probably isn't even involved in this. I've been watching the revert war between Mbhiii (and his many IPs) versus Jmcnamera (and his many IPs) for almost a year now, across many politics articles. I don't condone the revert warring of either of them.  Xenophrenic (talk) 05:43, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Understood. Not sure about JustGettingItRight but the timing is suspect still. The edit warring was bad enough but now Mbhiii is using multiple IPs that could be viewed as a violation of WP:ILLEGIT at Talk:Tea bag (disambiguation) by making "the impression of more support for a position than actually exists." I decided to stop reverting and opened up an RfC because it had just turned into a slow edit war. Something needs to be done about these IPs regardless of who the sockmaster is. Mbhiii has been warned by several editors and has been doing this for over a year. When will this be addressed and should it be moved if a clerk does not think JustGettingItRight is related?Cptnono (talk) 05:26, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

Clerk, patrolling admin and checkuser comments
I'm not really convinced that JGIR is Mbhiii. It looks like the RFC is starting to move along. I don't think there's anything else that needs to be done here. –MuZemike 01:00, 22 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks for responding MuZemike. If you are thinking it isn't JGR then there is nothing left to do here. I still believe Mbhiii is violating WP:ILLEGIT and he has previously been accused of using IPs inappropriately. Is this something that should go to ANI or SPI for that user? Not sure hat the protocol is but so many complaints over more than a year should be addressed somewhere.Cptnono (talk) 01:21, 22 May 2010 (UTC)
 * If this has been ongoing for a long time, then either WP:ANI or even WP:RFC/U would both be good venues for this (I'd personally prefer RFC/U myself). –MuZemike 17:08, 23 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Cool. I'll follow up that route. No reason this can't be closed if the evidence isn't sufficient for JGR.Cptnono (talk) 22:31, 23 May 2010 (UTC)
 * OK, sounds good. –MuZemike 22:32, 23 May 2010 (UTC)