Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Justice Forever/Archive

Evidence submitted by Taivo
User:A3000B has shown up at Northern Cyprus and begun to write massive comments at Talk:Northern Cyprus which are nearly identical in content and argumentation with previously banned User:İlknur sevtapli, which was a sock of banned User:Justice Forever. The issues, the arguments, the style leave no doubt in my mind that this is another sock. --Taivo (talk) 22:04, 4 July 2010 (UTC)

Comments by accused parties
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Clerk, CheckUser, and/or patrolling admin comments
– Since account creation has been disabled on 83.66.22.10, he's apparently creating socks from other IPs. Endorsed for check underlying IPs/sleepers. –MuZemike 22:13, 4 July 2010 (UTC)


 * is hardblocked actually. Based purely on edit timings it looks like that was the work IP, and he edits now from home via dynamic IPs. FWIW, the above accounts have not enough overlap for conclusive technical evidence, but they match each other, and İlknur sevtapli matches what I know from Justice Forever (master and categorized socks are stale). Nothing else I can do. Amalthea  15:52, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

A3000B blocked and tagged; WP:DUCK applies. –MuZemike 22:13, 4 July 2010 (UTC)

Evidence submitted by Dr.K.
User Cratosian is edit-warring at Northern Cyprus trying to insert pure WP:OR. Edits show same pattern as the rest of the Justice Forever socks. User Helenaworld seems more moderate but in a supporting role. Shows similar kinds of edits. Dr.K. λogosπraxis 22:59, 7 August 2010 (UTC)

Comments by accused parties
There is NO edit-warring in the article Dr. K. specified. The exchange of ideas are continueing in the discussion page. If Dr. K. continues to claim edit-warring, he should have bad intention towards me. Wiki-admins can easily check that there is no edit-warring. Wiki-admins should warn him if he continues to false-espionage the wiki users. Cratosian (talk) 23:35, 7 August 2010 (UTC)

Dr. K. and Tavio devoted themselves to ban the Wiki-users from North Cyprus. Their continuous reverting and intervening in the North Cyprus article prove clearly that they are Greek. Even, Dr. K. uses Greek alphabet in its username! I will not say more... Helenaworld (talk) 09:38, 8 August 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm so confused. Helenaworld says I'm Greek, but this editor says I'm an American-Macedonian (as in Republic of).  How can I be both Greek and Macedonian?  I'm so confused.  --Taivo (talk) 13:29, 8 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Cratosian, your alter-ego, was reverted by user:Chaosdruid the first time and user:Richwales along with Chaosdruid told you and Cratosian that you were inserting synthesis into the article. Are they Greek too? Coming here to attack editors based on their alleged ethnicity which is absolutely irrelevant to the original research Cratosian/you are trying to insert into the article, and defending Cratosian's/your synthesis smacks of a propaganda-push and smells like a sock. Dr.K. λogosπraxis 14:56, 8 August 2010 (UTC)

Comments by Dr.K.
I guess this diff does not qualify as edit-warring according to user Cratosian. I also would like to remind Cratosian of WP:CIVIL and WP:NPA. Dr.K. λogosπraxis 23:43, 7 August 2010 (UTC)
 * As you can see at this diff, RichWales and I both suspected these two to be socks in mid-July. These two "new" editors showed up immediately following the banning of another Justice Forever sock and continued the same precise edits (and, in the case of Helenaworld, the exact same edit summaries) that the previous sock had been doing.  So far, Helenaworld has restricted himself to updating the number on the International court.  Cratosian has recently begun pushing a more assertive agenda of WP:OR.  Both of these editors showed up within a day or so of the banning of the last Justice Forever sock and are clearly WP:SPAs.  Unfortunately, as soon as these two new socks are banned, two more will show up.  Helenaworld has not been disruptive, so exchanging one editor name for the next sock might be a fruitless exercise.  Cratosian has been mostly silent until the last couple of days.  It seems that Justice Forever has started using one sock for the routine edits of International Court numbers and a separate sock for "fighting" edits.  --Taivo (talk) 00:50, 8 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Thank you Taivo for the great analysis. I also saw the editing patterns you mentioned for some time now. What brought me here was the attempted insertion of original research into the Northern Cyprus article and the accompanying edit-warring as well as the great similarity of the editing patterns. Your conclusion about the diversification of the edits of the two socks makes sense. You are also right about the fact that once the socks get blocked more are generated and I agree that Helenaworld operates in a more low-key fashion. It seems like a good hand, bad hand routine. What can I say. At least they evolved. Dr.K. λogosπraxis 02:09, 8 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Just so I'm clear, I don't oppose banning these two socks. --Taivo (talk) 04:38, 8 August 2010 (UTC)
 * I agree. But what good it would do, given the rate of their regeneration, is another issue. Dr.K. λogosπraxis 08:38, 8 August 2010 (UTC)

Clerk, patrolling admin and checkuser comments
The editing patterns and behaviors (i.e. ALL CAPS usage and focuses) are too convincing for me to think otherwise; compare with the two previously-blocked socks and. Both accounts indefinitely blocked and tagged. –MuZemike 21:26, 18 August 2010 (UTC)

Evidence submitted by Dr.K.
Started editing soon after Helenaworld and Cratosian got blocked as socks of Justice Forever. Same to identical edits as all the other socks. Trying to add more disruptive OR and SYNTH into Northern Cyprus and related articles. WP:DUCK is invoked. Dr.K. λogosπraxis 21:48, 22 November 2010 (UTC)

Reply to checkuser comment: If I understand your comment well, behaviour is identical to other socks. Lately the alleged sock is following the same pattern of disruptive OR and SYNTH edits, diff2 as the other socks. Also all other socks got indeffed and tagged. Dr.K. λogosπraxis 22:08, 22 November 2010 (UTC)

Reply to Nestera: I replied on your talk about your allegation. Please avoid personal comments per out WP:NPA and WP:CIVIL policies. Dr.K. λogosπraxis 22:17, 22 November 2010 (UTC)

Final reply to Nestera I replied in your talk to your new allegations. I will not be replying further either here or on your talk because I think I made my points clear and I don't need to repeat myself. Dr.K. <sup style="position:relative">λogos<span style="position:relative;bottom:-2.0ex;left:-5.2ex;*left:-5.5ex">πraxis 22:27, 22 November 2010 (UTC) Auto-generated every six hours.
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Comments by accused parties
See Defending yourself against claims. I read the guidelines I am directed at (the guide to responding to cases). It writes: ...an editor making a fake case for an "attack" or to prevent their own editing being examined.... I do not want to accuse Dr.K. <sup style="position:relative">λogos<span style="position:relative;bottom:-2.0ex;left:-5.2ex;*left:-5.5ex">πraxis. Perhaps, there may be a mis-understanding. I found that: MY REPLY TO INSULTS(1. DISRUPTING THE ARTICLES 2. SOCK-PUPPETRY 3. ??):
 * Dr.K. reverted my edit in http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Foreign_relations_of_Northern_Cyprus&action=history in which I put proofs that European Court of Human Rights punished Rep. of Cyprus for discriminating actions over Turkish Cypriots in southern part of Cyprus. I proved via references in the official page of ECHR. I see the one who claimed sock-puppetry for me (HOSTILITY) and who put sock-puppetry replying guidelines for me in my talk page for helping (FRIENDSHIP) are the SAME wiki-user: Dr.K. <sup style="position:relative">λogos<span style="position:relative;bottom:-2.0ex;left:-5.2ex;*left:-5.5ex">πraxis . Upon this, it is difficult for me to stay neutral about him/her.Nestera (talk) 22:10, 22 November 2010 (UTC)
 * INSULTS OF Dr.K. TO ME CONTINUEING IN MY TALK PAGE: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Nestera !
 * You, Dr.K. <sup style="position:relative">λogos<span style="position:relative;bottom:-2.0ex;left:-5.2ex;*left:-5.5ex">πraxis, accuse me disrupt the articles as usual. If one looks at the Discussion Pages, (as is here: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Northern_Cyprus&action=history), s/he finds that I ALWAYS LOOK FOR CONSENSUS for editing the articles further. Even, in most of the articles I edited, I AM THE ONE WHO USES DISCUSSION PAGES THE MOST! Before ACCUSING someone else for anything, I suggest you examine the situations in detail! So, the accusations 1. DISRUPTION OF ARTICLES 2. SOCK-PUPPETRY are INSULTS to me. Please, do not go further and do not make any further INSULTS. Nestera (talk) 22:23, 22 November 2010 (UTC)

Comments by other users
Sadly, nothing Nestera has said here is relevant. An accusation of sockpuppetry cannot properly be replied to by calling it an insult and taking exception to it. The accusation, specifically, is that Nestera's editing style is so similar to that of the previously banned user as to force a reasonable person to conclude that Nestera is the same person as Justice Forever. That's what WP:DUCK means. The only proper response at this point is for Nestera to present (if he can) convincing evidence that he is not in fact the same person as Justice Forever. That is the only thing anyone is interested in hearing from Nestera right now. Until and unless Nestera does this, nothing else he says regarding the appropriateness of his edits, his opinions about other editors who think he is a sock, etc. mean anything at all. In fact, Nestera's responding to a sockpuppet allegation by denouncing other editors is simply going to make everyone that much more convinced that he is a sock and that he's trying to distract people by changing the subject. Richwales (talk · contribs) 07:33, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

Since this SPI is already closed, Nestera should make his case (if he can) on his talk page (if indeed he is still able to edit his talk page). I'll put a copy of the above comments there. Richwales (talk · contribs) 07:37, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

Clerk, patrolling admin and checkuser comments
I know you haven't requested actual checkusering, but just a note that the socks in the archive appear, so behavior will have to be the deciding factor here. TN <b style="color:midnightblue; font-size:larger;">X</b> Man 21:48, 22 November 2010 (UTC)

Basically a continuation of what was said in the last case. Blocked and tagged. <b style="font-family:Calibri; font-size:14px; color:#4682B4;">Elockid</b>  ( Talk ) 23:16, 22 November 2010 (UTC)

11 March 2011

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It took a little longer time than normal but a WP:DUCK is a duck. Dr.K. <sup style="position:relative">λogos<span style="position:relative;bottom:-2.0ex;left:-5.2ex;*left:-5.5ex">πraxis 07:54, 11 March 2011 (UTC) Dr.K. <sup style="position:relative">λogos<span style="position:relative;bottom:-2.0ex;left:-5.2ex;*left:-5.5ex">πraxis  07:54, 11 March 2011 (UTC)

Comments by other users
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Before I accused of Sockpuppet of some Wiki-user, let me give the details why some people may divert the Wiki-admins. I suspect that User:Shirt58 tried to divert some Wiki-admins.

=Proof and possible reasonings of divertions
=
 * My edits are claimed to be unconstructive by User:Shirt58!
 * Look that User:Shirt58 DELETES ALL THE REFERENCED INFO and emptifies the Page : http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Gerolakkos&diff=418263892&oldid=418263618

1: Greek Cypriots sold their properties to the Government of Northern Cyprus
 * What did User:Shirt58 delete?

2: ECHR's decision on redirecting ALL Greek Cypriots to the Jurecy of Northern Cyprus (under the remedy of Turkey).

==Why did User:Shirt58 delete the referenced info?
==
 * S/he may be upset that sellings of Greek Cypriots properties to the Government of Northern Cyprus
 * S/he may think that "sellings of Greek Cypriots properties to the Government of Northern Cyprus" and "ECHR's case-law that ALL Greek Cypriots MUST apply to the Northern Cyprus' Jurecy (as the domestic remedy of Turkey)" damages her/his claim about "de facto"ness of NC!Dox1donny (talk) 08:15, 11 March 2011 (UTC)

Clerk, CheckUser, and/or patrolling admin comments

 * ? Blocked and tagged. T. Canens (talk) 08:58, 11 March 2011 (UTC)

23 March 2011

 * Suspected sockpuppets


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The usual. Same MO exactly, same edits, same articles. WP:DUCK as usual. Dr.K. <sup style="position:relative">λogos<span style="position:relative;bottom:-2.0ex;left:-5.2ex;*left:-5.5ex">πraxis 10:39, 23 March 2011 (UTC)

Thank you TNXMan. I see there is an additional sleeper which came up. I'm sure we haven't seen the end of it. Dr.K. <sup style="position:relative">λogos<span style="position:relative;bottom:-2.0ex;left:-5.2ex;*left:-5.5ex">πraxis 11:50, 23 March 2011 (UTC)

Comments by other users
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Clerk, CheckUser, and/or patrolling admin comments
✅ the following:
 * TN <b style="color:midnightblue; font-size:larger;">X</b> Man 11:28, 23 March 2011 (UTC)
 * All blocked and tagged. —  Hello Annyong  (say whaaat?!) 15:21, 23 March 2011 (UTC)
 * TN <b style="color:midnightblue; font-size:larger;">X</b> Man 11:28, 23 March 2011 (UTC)
 * All blocked and tagged. —  Hello Annyong  (say whaaat?!) 15:21, 23 March 2011 (UTC)
 * All blocked and tagged. —  Hello Annyong  (say whaaat?!) 15:21, 23 March 2011 (UTC)

28 April 2011

 * Suspected sockpuppets


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The usual. WP:DUCK is invoked. Dr.K. <sup style="position:relative">λogos<span style="position:relative;bottom:-2.0ex;left:-5.2ex;*left:-5.5ex">πraxis 13:11, 28 April 2011 (UTC)

Comments by other users
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 * The net I'm us'g is a shared one. Perhaps, some further examination will reveal the difference. Thx...Reem chi kanoo (talk) 19:20, 28 April 2011 (UTC)

Clerk, CheckUser, and/or patrolling admin comments
This account is the same as. TN <b style="color:midnightblue; font-size:larger;">X</b> Man 13:22, 28 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Blocked and tagged. —  Hello Annyong  (say whaaat?!) 00:04, 29 April 2011 (UTC)

10 May 2011

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Picked up where now blocked sock left. WP:DUCK is invoked. Dr.K. <sup style="position:relative">λogos<span style="position:relative;bottom:-2.0ex;left:-5.2ex;*left:-5.5ex">πraxis 13:23, 10 May 2011 (UTC)

Same goes for. Dr.K. <sup style="position:relative">λogos<span style="position:relative;bottom:-2.0ex;left:-5.2ex;*left:-5.5ex">πraxis 19:22, 10 May 2011 (UTC)


 * Thank you Amalthea. Dr.K. <sup style="position:relative">λogos<span style="position:relative;bottom:-2.0ex;left:-5.2ex;*left:-5.5ex">πraxis 19:55, 10 May 2011 (UTC)

Comments by other users
''Accused parties may also comment/discuss in this section below. See Defending yourself against claims.'' Look at the page I am accused: http://toolserver.org/~betacommand/cgi-bin/uc?uc=Justice%20Forever There is nothing related to either of my data (wikiuser name etc.). Who accused me to socking, I dont know. What should I do further against these claims?
 * Cutting out the block evasion would be job one. There's a way back to constructive, collaborative editing for everyone. But you need to stop ignoring community norms and begin acknowledging the problems you've had, instead of evading them. Amalthea  13:51, 10 May 2011 (UTC)
 * If Justice Forever is User:VivaNorthCyprus, a Banned User as this exchange implies, then this editors way to re-hab is a bit more complicated. RashersTierney (talk) 14:04, 10 May 2011 (UTC)

Clerk, CheckUser, and/or patrolling admin comments

 * ✅ the same as, tagged and blocked. Amalthea  13:51, 10 May 2011 (UTC)
 * … AtanurcanX also ✅. Amalthea  19:39, 10 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Everyone's blocked. —  Hello Annyong  (say whaaat?!) 03:24, 11 May 2011 (UTC)

23 May 2011

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Same MO as previously. Per WP:DUCK. Dr.K. <sup style="position:relative">λogos<span style="position:relative;bottom:-2.0ex;left:-5.2ex;*left:-5.5ex">πraxis 20:27, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

Comments by other users
''Accused parties may also comment/discuss in this section below. See Defending yourself against claims.'' I examined "View History" and noticed that Dr. K put me as the candidate of a sockpupputry. I examined the reasonings. Checkuser analysis is given as the reason. I want others examine Checkuser analysis further. Belgesellik45 (talk) 20:31, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

Clerk, CheckUser, and/or patrolling admin comments

 * Alright then, we can run a checkuser if you'd like. —  Hello Annyong  (say whaaat?!) 21:58, 23 May 2011 (UTC)


 * Similar geographic area/user agent. Brandon (talk) 02:31, 24 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Blocked and Tagged. -- DQ  (t)   (e)  11:19, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

7 June 2011

 * Suspected sockpuppets


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Preoccupation with Macarios's thirteen amendments. Reliance on primary sources, such as the Supreme Court of Cyprus among others, to push original research. Edit-warring. WP:DUCK in effect. Dr.K. <sup style="position:relative">λogos<span style="position:relative;bottom:-2.0ex;left:-5.2ex;*left:-5.5ex">πraxis 11:24, 7 June 2011 (UTC)

Comments by other users
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 * Preoccupation with Macarios's 13 amendments: In the Cyprus Dispute page, "On 30 November 1963, Makarios PUT FORWARD 13 amendments" is written.

However, "On 30 November 1963, Makarios LEGALIZED 13 amendments". "Putting Forward" of the 13 amendments was at the beginning of 1963! On 25 APRIL 1963, Supreme Constitutional Court of Cyprus (SCCC) decided that Makarios' 13 amendments are illegal. How can "a 30 November 1963 put forward" be decided illegal on "25 APRIL 1963"???!!! THERE IS A CLEAR DISTROTION OF HISTORICAL FACTS AND I CORRECTED THIS.


 * Reliance on primary sources: Supreme Court of Cyprus had NEUTRAL president (German Prof.Dr.) before 1964! International Crisis Group may not be thought as primary, since ICG employs experts/specialist from various countries.


 * Edit-warring: No! I care 3RR rule within a day.


 * WP:DUCK in effect: wp_duck is the standard way of supporting sockpuppetry claims. There are many pages I edited with reliable sources. The sources are the same in well-known "Cyprus Dispute" issue, that is discussed since 1963. Hence, the seeming like "a duck" is normal. Should I fabricate myself resources?? Obviously No! Notice to the citations I gave: Always from United Nations Official Website and other Official websitesBerkanburada (talk) 11:41, 7 June 2011 (UTC)


 * EVEN THE "SOCKPUPPETRY" CLAIMER (Dr. K.) mentions my edits as "good faith" in his talk page, http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Dr.K.&diff=433015662&oldid=433015374 (History: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Dr.K.&action=history ), BUT DOES NOT ANSWER ANY OBJECTIONS I DIRECTED TO HIM (WITH MY RELIABLE SOURCES FROM THE UNITED NATIONS OFFICIAL WEBPAGE). Berkanburada (talk) 11:51, 7 June 2011 (UTC)


 * I tried to contact with Dr. K (NOT TRY TO EDIT WARRING). I write the followings to his talk page. He immediately deleted all of them from his talk page without replying me, and accused me Sockpuppetry! Is this the way (trying to contact and trying to get the others ideas) an EDIT WARRIOR DO? Obviosly NO!


 * 6 edits on Cyprus Dispute

1. International Crisis Group (Crisis Watch No 94; 06 June 2011): "possibility of reaching comprehensive settlement before 2012 is unlikely" Why did you delete this? There are experts/specialist International Crisis Group from various countries.

2. On 30.11.1963, Makarios didn't put forward 13 Amendments, but LEGALIZED as opposite to decision of Supreme Constitutional Court of Cyprus (SCCC): In the article, "PUT FORWARD" is written. However, On 30.11.1963, Makarios LEGALIZED 13 amendments, not "PUT FORWARD". This is clear distortion of the historical facts!!! Also, Turkey and the Turkish Cypriots rejected the 13 proposed amendments, not discussed. See citation. In the article, Turkey and the Turkish Cypriots "discussed" are written. This is clear distortion of the historical facts!!!

3. Report S/6426: The broken link (...humanrights.coe.int...) was repaired: http://www.un.org/ru/documents/ods.asp?m=S/6426 according to the United Nations Official Website: There are 2 links from (...humanrights.coe.int...) which are BROKEN! Why do you put BROKEN links instead of the UNBROKEN ORIGINAL LINKS FROM THE OFFICIAL WEBPAGE OF UNITED NATIONS?

4. UN SG U Thant has 2 reports: <BR /> A. (S/5950: 10.09.1964) Most of the destroyed 109 villages are Turkish-Cypriot or mixed <BR /> B. (S/6426 10.06.1965) Self-segragation of Turkish Cypriots from the government was voluntary. Put "A" as well for neutrality <BR />

Yes, of course, these 2 sentences from the same UN SG U Thant Reports are disturbing each other, but this is true (you can find in UN Official web page by following references I gave). But for the sake of NEUTRALITY, should we put both? Currently, only "B" is in the page, which is in favor of Greek Cypriots. However, "A" of the same UN SG U Thant is clearly in favor of Turkish Cypriots. ONE SHOULD PUT "destroyed 109 villages" AND "Self-segragation" (which are contradictory, of course) simultaneously for the sake of protecting neutrality.

5. The president (German Prof.Dr. Ernst Forsthoff) of Supreme Constitutional Court of Cyprus was NEUTRAL acc. to Cyprus' 1960 constitution. Why did you delete the "NEUTRAL" (it is in 1960 Cyprus Constitution)? The name of neutral president of SCCC is deleted, why?

I welcome your thoughts.Berkanburada (talk) 11:56, 7 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Also, there are some data in which Dr. K and I think differently. But when one looks into the pages I (and Dr. K) edited in common in detail that My edits are stick to the standards whereas Dr. K's edits overrides and destroy the standards! Example: in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_population, the populations of Transnistria, Abhasia, South Ossetia, Kosovo are given EXCLUDEDLY from the populations of Moldova, Georgia, Serbia. Though Northern Cyprus is independent, sovereign and partially recognized country like "Transnistria, Abhasia, South Ossetia, Kosovo"; Dr. K. insists to put population of Northern Cyprus INCLUDEDLY in Cyprus (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_countries_by_population&diff=433014095&oldid=432975379) (the reason I do not know, If I write this to his talk page, he may delete and claim sockpuppetry as well just as he did previosly in other issue)! Berkanburada (talk) 12:12, 7 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Are you saying you are not 'Justice Forever'? That is the only matter of relevance here. RashersTierney (talk) 12:22, 7 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes, of course, I am saying I am not 'Justice Forever'. I explained above the accusations wp_duck as above. In an issue, like Cyprus Dispute, that is over-exhausted, the articles, books, journal mentionings, United Nations Security Council resolutions are all standard. When I mentioned and cited one of the standard mentionings in this issue, just like many other people and many other Wiki users, this should not be regarded we are the same: Cyprus island is very small island, the disputes, resolutions, decisions, dilemmas, contradictions on it, however, very diverse. Definitely, one other user may refer the citation I used in the future. This does not make him/her me, just as my usage of citations on Cyprus issue does not make me someone else.Berkanburada (talk) 12:42, 7 June 2011 (UTC)

Clerk, CheckUser, and/or patrolling admin comments
- I have collapsed the discussions on this page that are not focused on the issues at hand. Please keep discussions on this page focused. Steven Zhang <sup style="color:#FFCC00;">The clock is ticking....  13:13, 7 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Let's see if we can get some sleepers. T. Canens (talk) 13:09, 7 June 2011 (UTC)
 * ✅ as being the same as . TN <b style="color:midnightblue; font-size:larger;">X</b> Man  13:16, 7 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Tim Canens had already blocked, but I updated the tag on the sock. —  Hello Annyong  (say whaaat?!) 13:41, 7 June 2011 (UTC)

7 June 2011

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Continuing on exactly the same edits as. Obvious sleeper. WP:DUCK applies. Dr.K. <sup style="position:relative">λogos<span style="position:relative;bottom:-2.0ex;left:-5.2ex;*left:-5.5ex">πraxis 16:37, 7 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Thank you HelloAnnyong. Dr.K. <sup style="position:relative">λogos<span style="position:relative;bottom:-2.0ex;left:-5.2ex;*left:-5.5ex">πraxis 18:15, 7 June 2011 (UTC)

Comments by other users
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Clerk, CheckUser, and/or patrolling admin comments
To check for anymore sleepers. Steven Zhang <sup style="color:#FFCC00;">The clock is ticking....  16:40, 7 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Blocked and tagged both accounts per WP:DUCK. And I protected Cyprus dispute for a week. —  Hello Annyong  (say whaaat?!) 17:45, 7 June 2011 (UTC)
 * ✅ the following are the same:
 * TN <b style="color:midnightblue; font-size:larger;">X</b> Man 12:41, 8 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Everyone's blocked, so we're done. —  Hello Annyong  (say whaaat?!) 13:37, 8 June 2011 (UTC)
 * TN <b style="color:midnightblue; font-size:larger;">X</b> Man 12:41, 8 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Everyone's blocked, so we're done. —  Hello Annyong  (say whaaat?!) 13:37, 8 June 2011 (UTC)

11 September 2011

 * Suspected sockpuppets


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The usual. The trigger for this report was WP:DUCK edit-warring on Northern Cyprus. Dr.K. <sup style="position:relative">λogos<span style="position:relative;bottom:-2.0ex;left:-5.2ex;*left:-5.5ex">πraxis 22:30, 11 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Thank you HelloAnnyong, MuZemike and Kudu. Dr.K. <sup style="position:relative">λogos<span style="position:relative;bottom:-2.0ex;left:-5.2ex;*left:-5.5ex">πraxis 03:42, 12 September 2011 (UTC)

Comments by other users
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 * Looks good to check for accuracy and sleepers. — <span style="font-family: Georgia, Garamond, serif;"> Kudu ~I/O~ 23:31, 11 September 2011 (UTC)

Clerk, CheckUser, and/or patrolling admin comments
– All other socks are, so there is nothing to check against. –MuZemike 23:33, 11 September 2011 (UTC)
 * I'll call it. I've blocked and tagged the account per WP:DUCK. —  Hello Annyong  (say whaaat?!) 03:19, 12 September 2011 (UTC)

05 October 2011

 * Suspected sockpuppets


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WP:DUCK. Dr.K. <sup style="position:relative">λogos<span style="position:relative;bottom:-2.0ex;left:-5.2ex;*left:-5.5ex">πraxis 17:09, 5 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Thank you TNXMAN. The behaviour, as can be gleaned from the edits, although short in number at the moment, indicates that he is a sock of Brazilian Prince, because in his first edits he started complaining about edits of Brazilian Prince which were removed. This and other stylistic hints of the edits led to the DUCK conclusion. As far as the SPI location, last time I opened a new SPI at the Justice Forever SPI location for Brasilian Prince, CU was refused based on the fact that all JFE socks were stale. So I opened one with Brazilian Prince as the master since I assumed they were not stale yet. Dr.K. <sup style="position:relative">λogos<span style="position:relative;bottom:-2.0ex;left:-5.2ex;*left:-5.5ex">πraxis 17:47, 5 October 2011 (UTC)

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A brand new account that complains about my removals of material added by Brasilian Prince  very soon  after I had removed it. Also uses caps in the same way Brasilian Prince did. Athenean (talk) 18:42, 5 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment by User:Athenean:

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The following are ✅ matches:
 * is a / match based on the technical data. Behavior will be the more important factor. Please note that Brasilian Prince is a sockpuppet of, so the case should be moved there. TN <b style="color:midnightblue; font-size:larger;">X</b> Man  17:38, 5 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Blocked and tagged both confirmed. I've also blocked Synderalla, as it seems rather likely on behavioral grounds. —  Hello Annyong  (say whaaat?!) 02:12, 6 October 2011 (UTC)
 * is a / match based on the technical data. Behavior will be the more important factor. Please note that Brasilian Prince is a sockpuppet of, so the case should be moved there. TN <b style="color:midnightblue; font-size:larger;">X</b> Man  17:38, 5 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Blocked and tagged both confirmed. I've also blocked Synderalla, as it seems rather likely on behavioral grounds. —  Hello Annyong  (say whaaat?!) 02:12, 6 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Blocked and tagged both confirmed. I've also blocked Synderalla, as it seems rather likely on behavioral grounds. —  Hello Annyong  (say whaaat?!) 02:12, 6 October 2011 (UTC)

13 June 2012

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Edit-warring, adding original research and raising exactly the same topic about population transfers: Reagavarinx (talk | contribs) (GCs and TCs passed the other side of cease-fire line by their own will according to 1975 Population Exchange Agreement btw GCs and TCs.) as blocked sock did with this edit in 2010: [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Northern_Cyprus&diff=392451728&oldid=392451097  Revision as of 18:47, 23 October 2010 (edit) (undo)Nestera (talk) Greek Cypriots in Rizokarpaso accepted Turkish Cypriot administration and stayed in Turkish Cyprus. Other Greek Cypriots did not accept and flee VOLUNTARILY to SC)]. Stylistically similar edits as well. Δρ.Κ. <sup style="position:relative">λόγος<span style="position:relative;bottom:-2.0ex;left:-5.2ex;*left:-5.5ex">πράξις  13:30, 13 June 2012 (UTC)


 * Addendum: Still edit-warring, even as this SPI is open, Undid revision 497510685 by Foobaz (talk) No UN resolution uses "invasion" or its synonym for 1974 event. European Council (1974) and Greece's High Court (1979) confirmed legality of Turkey's oper, reverting non-aligned editors using POV and irrelevant original research. Compare this to the edit ny (Turkey (one of the sides): "My operation is legal and acc. to international agreements" Greece's Highest Court (the other side): "Turkey's operation was legal. Δρ.Κ. <sup style="position:relative">λόγος<span style="position:relative;bottom:-2.0ex;left:-5.2ex;*left:-5.5ex">πράξις  14:31, 14 June 2012 (UTC)

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First, when I click "User Compare Report" I see: "Page not found (404) The page you requested was not found on this server. This could be because: You followed a broken or outdated link, You typed the page address incorrectly, The page no longer exists, or has moved to a new address, If you followed a link from another page, please inform the owner of that page about the broken link. Your browser sent this as the referring URL: http://toolserver.org/~betacommand/cgi-bin/uc?uc=Justice%20Forever If you think you are receiving this page in error, or you have a question, please contact the owner of this document: betacommand [at] toolserver [dot] org. I must see all of the proofs of the people claiming sock-puppetry. In my case, I cannot access "User Compare Report". Second, I highly suggest to IP-check. A wiki admin can detect this. In the article, Northern Cyprus or Cyprus Dispute, there are very specific matters that people are 180 degree opposite to each other. These matters are clear to all, and most people discuss these matters over and over and over again from different perspectives with different proofs. For example, the followings are the FREQUENTLY HANDLED MATTERS in the Cyprus issue:
 * PROCEDURE
 * PRINCIPLE

A. Whether Turkish Cypriots left the government in 1963 by forcefully or voluntarily.

B. Whether the movements of Turkish Cypriots and Greek Cypriots in 1975 and onwards accross the ceasefire line is forcefully or voluntarily.

C. Whether, in 2004-referendum, Greek Cypriot people were directed towards one option or not. etc. There are many people in the opposite sites with different usernames writing about these specific issues over and over again. Are they sockpuppets? Obviously not, I think.

Last, I welcome any further thoughts to be written here, not only in favor of me but also against me. Reagavarinx (talk) 13:51, 13 June 2012 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Northern_Cyprus&diff=497510685&oldid=497455376 and added the category "Category:Territories under military occupation" under such "without any documented proof or arguement" situation. My reverting (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Northern_Cyprus&diff=497517017&oldid=497510685) enabled the protected consensus again. Anyway, instead of not only getting to the consensus, but also I considered beneficial to express from where the existed consensus arised and written "No UN resolution uses "invasion" or its synonym for 1974 event. European Council (1974) and Greece's High Court (1979) confirmed legality of Turkey's operation" in the edit summary. The relevant European Council (1974) and Greece's High Court (1979) decisions are just a little bit google-search away; further, these decisions are also specified myriad times not only in the body of the article but also in the talk.
 * Defence for Addendum of Dr.K.: Dr.K. accused me with "Still edit-warring". Let's look reality: Dr.K.'s action actually changed the protected consesnsus in the article of Northern Cyprus. Foobaz changed the consensus without any documented proof or arguement:


 * Standing Committee of the Consultative Assembly of the Council of Europe (29.07.1974): "Turkey exercised its right of intervention in accordance with Article IV of the Guarantee Treaty"


 * Court of Appeal in Athens, Greece (23.03.1979 Decision no. 2658/79): "...The Turkish military intervention in Cyprus which was carried out in accordance with the Zurich and London Agreements was legal. Turkey, as one of the Guarantor powers, had the right to fulfill her obligations. The real culprits...are the Greek Officers who engineered and staged a coup and prepared the conditions of this intervention."

To sum up, my crime is to protect a strong consensus.
 * UK Foreign & Commonwealth Office doc. CPS/75, Jan., 1987: "On 20th July 1974 Turkey intervened under Article IV of the Treaty of Guarantee"

Equally important second point: Dr.K. should not act very speedily, I think (Not only in favor of me, but also against me). Look:

I added ( http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Northern_Cyprus&diff=496949746&oldid=496897775 ) and write in edit summary: "On 15.07.1974, GC coupists proclaimed "Hellenic Republic of Cyprus". I.e. GCs changed the name "RepublicOfCyprus" and declared all of the island is the soil of Hellenic Republic of Cyprus.19 June:Makarios: "Cyprus was invaded by Greece")". Dr.K. immediately reacted ( http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Northern_Cyprus&diff=next&oldid=496949746 ) with edit summary: "Reverted good faith edits by Reagavarinx (talk): Original research, unreliable source from propaganda website". Again, "proclaimation of Hellenic Republic of Cyprus" is a common phenomena which can be controlled from various sources just by a simple Google-search. Another wiki-user (Seksen iki yüz kırk beş) immediately supplied proofs and changed Dr.K.'s revert. Dr.K. and Seksen iki yüz kırk beş are not so different in accessing the stated facts in neutral sources about Cyprus issue. Dr.K., please do not take this as offense. What I am trying to state is I am not a "distruptive" wiki-user. My edits and contributions can be accessed from neutal sources. When I write: "Makarios: Cyprus was invaded by Greece". This can also be controlled in neutral sources as well (just as the proclaimation of Hellenic Republic of Cyprus)!: The Speech (voice recording) by Makarios in the UN Security Council (Official Record of the 1780th Meeting) (19.07.1974): ( http://www.cypnet.co.uk/ncyprus/history/republic/makarios1.wav ) President Makarios: "It (the coup) was a clear attack from the outside and a flagrant violation of the independence and sovereign of the Republic of Cyprus. The so-called coup was the work of the Greek officers who man and command National Guard... It was an invasion, which violated the independence and sovereignty of the Republic. The invasion is continuing as long as there are Greek officers in Cyprus...... The coup of the Greek junta is an invasion, and from its consequences the whole people of Cyprus suffers, both Greeks and Turks… The Security Council should call upon the military regime of Greece to withdraw from Cyprus the Greek officers... and put an end to its invasion of Cyprus.". This fact (Makarios' declaration of invasion of Cyprus by Greece) was removed from the article upon your (Dr.K.) objection. You see, I supply even the original voice recording and it is reverted anyway. unfortunately towards the developments in Cyprus, the two so-called main lands, in fact, invaded BOTH." .Reagavarinx (talk) 06:36, 15 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Not only the first president of Cyprus (Makarios) but also the last president of Cyprus (Christofias) stated the "invasion of Cyprus by Greece": Christofias BROOKINGS INSTITUTION_September 27, 2010 ( http://www.brookings.edu/~/media/Files/events/2010/0927_cyprus/20100927_cyprus.pdf ) "And, of course, the involvement at the end of the day of the three guarantor powers which all played a negative role

Comment by User:Athenean
They really don't quack any louder than this. Reagavarinx pushes the same utterly weird "Greece's high endorsed the Turkish invasion" and "The Greek Cypriots fled their homes volutarily" type POV, which is so outlandishly weird I have never seen anyone else on wiki push it except Justice Forever & socks. Same broken record modus operandi, same use of CAPS, same broken English. Athenean (talk) 15:31, 16 June 2012 (UTC)

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 * - as all of the known socks' contribs are stale and checkuser doesn't go back that far. This case will have to be considered based on behavioral evidence alone.  <b style="color:#00C">⋙–Ber</b><b style="color:#66f">ean–Hun</b><b style="color:#00C">ter—►</b>  22:54, 13 June 2012 (UTC)


 * Quack quack, block! --Elen of the Roads (talk) 18:04, 16 June 2012 (UTC)
 * ...and tagged. Closing.... <b style="color:#00C">⋙–Ber</b><b style="color:#66f">ean–Hun</b><b style="color:#00C">ter—►</b>  18:16, 16 June 2012 (UTC)

22 June 2012

 * Suspected sockpuppets


 * User compare report Auto-generated every hour.

Two days after  got blocked due to the recent SPI,  this new account is created and continues the identical edit-warring and claims on Northern Cyprus as Reagavarinx. Example, Reagavarinx: The first and the current presidents of Cyprus (Makarios and Christofias) qualified the action of Greece upon Cyprus as invasion on 19.07.1974 and 27.09.2010 resp while Axisperpendicular: The First and the Current Presidents of Cyprus (Makarios & Christofias): "Cyprus was invaded by Greece" The feathers are flying all over the place. Δρ.Κ. <sup style="position:relative">λόγος<span style="position:relative;bottom:-2.0ex;left:-5.2ex;*left:-5.5ex">πράξις 15:22, 22 June 2012 (UTC)


 * Thank you Mailer Diablo. Δρ.Κ. <sup style="position:relative">λόγος<span style="position:relative;bottom:-2.0ex;left:-5.2ex;*left:-5.5ex">πράξις 06:33, 24 June 2012 (UTC)

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Axisperpendicular has been blocked for 24 hours for 3RR violation at Northern Cyprus. This action was taken independently of whether or not Axisperpendicular may turn out to be a sock. — Rich wales 21:55, 22 June 2012 (UTC)


 * Based on [ this clarification] by and my own conclusion that Axisperpendicular is indeed most likely a sock, I've extended my earlier block to be indefinite.  By doing this, it is not my intention to close the current SPI.  If more experienced sock hunters conclude that this user is not in fact a sock, you can go ahead and revert my indef-block as you see fit.  —  Rich wales 18:20, 23 June 2012 (UTC)

Clerk, CheckUser, and/or patrolling admin comments

 * - because the citations look the same. The citation of UNSC 1780th meeting by Reagavarinx looks the same as Axisperpendicular's edit. Endorse to check for sleepers. <b style="color:#00C">⋙–Ber</b><b style="color:#66f">ean–Hun</b><b style="color:#00C">ter—►</b>  17:14, 23 June 2012 (UTC)
 * ✅ that and  are the same. - Mailer Diablo 06:29, 24 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Sock already tagged and blocked...closing. <b style="color:#00C">⋙–Ber</b><b style="color:#66f">ean–Hun</b><b style="color:#00C">ter—►</b>  13:08, 24 June 2012 (UTC)

25 June 2012

 * Suspected sockpuppets




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Maurice07 [ reinstated] an edit which had previously been repeatedly, disruptively [ inserted] by Axisperpendicular, just before Axisperpendicular's recent tagging as a sock of Justice Forever. Maurice07 has been around for some time, with a pattern of earlier argumentative edits at Northern Cyprus. While reinstating a blocked sock's disruptive edit is not proof of Maurice07's being another sock of the same banned user, it's obviously suspicious. Comparing IP addresses used by Maurice07 with those used by Axisperpendicular may shed light on whether or not these two accounts are in fact being controlled by the same editor. — Rich wales 17:43, 25 June 2012 (UTC)

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 * - as this account looks the same based on the edits. Please also look for sleepers. <b style="color:#00C">⋙–Ber</b><b style="color:#66f">ean–Hun</b><b style="color:#00C">ter—►</b>  18:21, 25 June 2012 (UTC)
 * It's, on geographical grounds. That said, they are found all over several large dynamic IP ranges that are fairly busy, so it can't be more certain nor can sleepers be found on CU basis alone.  &mdash; Coren (talk) 22:31, 25 June 2012 (UTC)
 * OK, thanks for checking. Even if this account isn't an obvious sock, I assume a block may still be in order for disruptive editing alone, if this user does any more of the same kind of editing (note that he has been warned, so he should really have no excuse).  I'll continue to keep an eye on him.  —  Rich wales 22:42, 25 June 2012 (UTC)
 * I assume that Richwales will handle any blocks if he deems them necessary, so closing. Dennis Brown -  2&cent;    &copy;  13:31, 26 June 2012 (UTC)

02 July 2012

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See [ this material] at Talk:Northern Cyprus. I, personally, am not yet convinced that this new editor (Waltersamedical) is a sock of Justice Forever — I believe this is more likely so than not, but I will also concede that he could simply be someone else who shares a widely held nationalist viewpoint (in WP:DUCK terms, he might be another member of the same species without being the very same individual duck). I was going to wait a little longer to allow more evidence to pile up, but since at least two other contributors to the Northern Cyprus article are already convinced, I am requesting an investigation in order to gather more views on the issue and see where (if anywhere) a consensus lies. — Rich wales 18:54, 2 July 2012 (UTC)

I note that Waltersamedical's account was created soon after Justice Forever's last confirmed sock (Axisperpendicular) was indef-blocked. Also, Waltersamedical has picked up at basically the same place where Axisperpendicular left off (arguing that Cypriot archbishop and president Makarios III had accused Greece as a whole, rather than specifically the Greek military dictatorship in power in 1974, of invading Cyprus via the July 1974 coup). On the other hand, Waltersamedical is at least appearing to discuss the issue at Talk:Northern Cyprus, rather than simply repeating his view over and over. And although Waltersamedical is now autoconfirmed, he has not yet attempted to edit the (semi-protected) article itself. There has been so much sockpuppetry on this and related articles for several years that I'm concerned that anyone from Turkey or Northern Cyprus who shares views common to the majority of that population may risk being accused (per WP:DUCK) of being a sock of Justice Forever. At the same time, it does appear that Justice Forever is stubbornly refusing to go away, so this new editor very possibly could be yet another of his socks. I'm not solidly convinced yet, to the point that I would be willing to take the responsibility for branding this person as a sock — but I agree there is probable cause for suspicion. — Rich wales 19:17, 2 July 2012 (UTC)

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He picks up right where the latest indef-blocked sock left off, same "Makarios said Greece invaded Cyprus" obsession, same bad English, same use of CAPS, same ridiculously long edit summaries  , same date format   (XX.XX.XXXX), in fact pretty much same everything. Athenean (talk) 20:09, 2 July 2012 (UTC)
 * I concur. The new sock is giving the appearance of rationality only because User:Richwales engaged with him/her.  This is still a sock and socks don't deserve the time of day, no matter what they have to say.  --Taivo (talk) 21:53, 2 July 2012 (UTC)

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 * Checked per Athenean's diffs, ✅ match to previous socks,, . WilliamH (talk) 06:55, 4 July 2012 (UTC)

15 November 2012

 * Suspected sockpuppets


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The editing similarities between Nebilla41 and the various socks of Justice Forever lead me to believe beyond the shadow of a feather that they belong in the same family/flock/wardrobe of socks. I submit the evidence below:


 * Thank you Elen for your suggestion. I feel compelled to add that no actual birds were or will be harmed during or after the making of this report. :) A few socks perhaps. DQ, thank you for your kind collapse summary. Best regards to both. Δρ.Κ. <sup style="position:relative">λόγος<span style="position:relative;bottom:-2.0ex;left:-5.2ex;*left:-5.5ex">πράξις 01:29, 16 November 2012 (UTC)

Here are the common elements of editing between Nebilla41 and the various socks of :
 * Evidence

Socks like to update the "New negotiations" section of Cyprus Dispute:
 * Cyprus Dispute (New negotiations section)

Revision as of 12:08, 29 October 2012 (edit) (undo) Nebilla41 (talk | contribs) (→‎New negotiations: EU Observer's Evaluation of Cyprus Talks: "UN-led rounds of talks have failed")

Revision as of 14:18, 27 April 2010 (edit) (undo) İlknur sevtapli (talk | contribs) (→‎New negotiations: 30.03.2010, North Cyprus' president Mehmet Ali Talat and Republic of Cyprus' president Dimitris Christofias met in 71th round of talks. After 19 months, no common statement.)

Revision as of 16:18, 6 March 2011 (edit) (undo) Dox1donny (talk | contribs) (→‎New negotiations: United Nations Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon re♀orted The negotiations cannot be an open-ended process, nor can we afford interminable talks for the sake of talks)

Revision as of 21:40, 21 April 2012 (edit) (undo) Reagavarinx (talk | contribs) (→‎New negotiations: Ban Ki Moon - Downer meeting on the evaluation of progress of Cyprus talks)

Revision as of 08:37, 28 April 2012 (edit) (undo) Reagavarinx (talk | contribs) (→‎New negotiations: Downer: "If the GC and TC Leaders cannot agree with each other on a model for a united Cyprus, then UN cannot make them".)

Socks also make the same points about the legality of the population exchanges:
 * Legality of the population exchanges

Revision as of 08:45, 8 November 2012 Nebilla41 (talk | contribs) (→‎Division of the island: More than 100,000 Greek-Cypriots went south and 50,000 Turkish-Cypriots went north not "in 1974 when the fighting started" but "in 1975 according to UN Popul Exch Agr". Rizokarpaso GCs and Limassol)

Revision as of 13:41, 12 June 2012 Reagavarinx (talk | contribs) (All massive population transfers were made acc to Cyp Pop. Exc. Agreement 2.8.1975. Artc.3 of the Agr.: GCs at present in the N who, at their own request and without having been subjected to any kind of pressure, wish to move to S, will be permitted.)

Revision as of 16:03, 23 October 2010 (edit) (undo) Nestera (talk | contribs) (UN S/11789: Population Exchange Agreement 02.08.1975 btw TCs and GCs. GCs in Rizokarpaso accepted to live under TC administration and stayed in NC; other GCs didn't accept and fled to the South.)

Revision as of 19:57, 23 October 2010 (edit) (undo) Nestera (talk | contribs) (The Greek Cypriots other than the ones in Rizakarpaso ALL REFUSED TO LIVE UNDER TURKISH CYPRIOT ADMINISTRATION, and therefore, fleed to the South by their own will.)

Socks add information about memberships of TRNC in International organisations:
 * Memberships in International organizations

Revision as of 15:34, 26 October 2012 (edit) (undo) Nebilla41 (talk | contribs) (→‎International status and foreign relations: In October 2012, Northern Cyprus became an observer member of Economic Cooperation Organisation.)

Revision as of 16:52, 26 October 2012 (edit) (undo) Nebilla41 (talk | contribs) (→‎Turkish Cypriot State in Economic Cooperation Organisation: Turkish Cypriot State is in the ECO meeting.)

Revision as of 14:27, 9 May 2010 (edit) (undo) İlknur sevtapli (talk | contribs) (→‎International status and foreign relations: 5.5.2010 European Small Busines Alliance accepted North Cyprus as member: http://www.esba-europe.org/EB257/About_Us/ESBA_s_Members/Northern_Cyprus.aspx)

Revision as of 17:27, 4 March 2011 (edit) (undo) Dox1donny (talk | contribs) (→‎Education: North Cyrus' Eastern Mediterranean University became full member of International Council of Graphic Design Associations (ICOGRADA) in 2011.)

Revision as of 09:49, 7 March 2011 (edit) (undo) Dox1donny (talk | contribs) (Parliamentary Assembly of the Council of Europe (PACE) gave observer status to Northern Cyprus' representatives under the name "Turkish Cypriot Community".)

Revision as of 21:54, 8 June 2010 A3000B (talk | contribs)(→‎Sports: Taekwon-do Federation of North Cyprus is a member of Global Taekwon-do Federation: http://www.gtftaekwondo.com)


 * Legality of the 1974 Turkish invasion of Cyprus

Socks enjoy adding primary sources and original research from the Greek Court of Appeals in Athens and the Parliamentary Assembly of the Council of Europe:

Revision as of 01:46, 12 November 2012 (edit) (undo) Nebilla41 (talk | contribs) (Legality Aspects of 1974 Turkey's Action)

Revision as of 19:49, 22 November 2010 (edit) (undo) Nestera (talk | contribs) (→‎Greece: The mentionings of Legality of Turkish Interventions in European Court of Human Rights and Government of Republic of Cyprus websites.)

Revision as of 19:17, 21 November 2010 (edit) (undo) Nestera (talk | contribs) (→‎History: Council of Europe (on 29.07.1974) and Court of Greece (on 21.03.1979) decided that Turkey's intervention to Cyprus is legal.)


 * Bombing my talkpage with info

Revision as of 10:56, 14 November 2012 (edit) (undo) Nebilla41 (talk | contribs) (→‎Not me: The reasoning of reverting?) bombed my talkpage with info relating to the legality of the Turkish invasion

Revision as of 08:13, 25 July 2011 (edit) (undo) Brasilian Prince (talk | contribs) (→‎WP:OR: "SCCC stopped to exist" was written one-to-one in ECHR's decisions and laws. I will give other references other than ECHR though ECHR may be accepted as neutral in general.)


 * Edit summaries

Long edit summaries with articles and dates:

Revision as of 10:12, 14 November 2012 (edit) (undo) Nebilla41 (talk | contribs) (→‎The Legal Aspects of Turkey's 1974 Action: Foreign Affairs US House, Athens Court of Appeals, 2658/79 Date: 21.03.1979)

Revision as of 08:41, 12 June 2012 Reagavarinx (talk | contribs) (All massive population transfers were made acc to Cyp Pop. Exc. Agreement 2.8.1975. Artc.3 of the Agr.: GCs at present in the N who, at their own request and without having been subjected to any kind of pressure, wish to move to S, will be permitted.)

Stylistic similarities in edits of the socks are apparent both in edit summaries and content:
 * Similar editing style

Revision as of 09:01, 15 November 2012 Nebilla41 (Car8025's Objection and Nebilla's Reply about The LEGAL ASPECTS of Turkey's 1974 Action.)

Revision as of 21:38, 15 November 2012 (edit) (undo) Nebilla41 (talk | contribs) (→‎The Legal Aspects of Turkey's 1974 Action: First, very very thanks Car8025. I will definitely place your sources to the above table. Second, my answers to some of your claims.)

Revision as of 10:39, 15 November 2012 (edit) (undo)Nebilla41 (talk | contribs)(FOR DISPUTED-EDIT-RELATED MESSAGE, OPEN A DISCUSSION ON THE TALKPAGE OF THE ARTICLE. SO, INVOLVE AS MANY EDITORS AS POSSIBLE. DO NOT CONFINE THE DISCUSSION HERE.) This one is particularly cute since Nebilla41 copied the notice on top of my own talkpage. :) Δρ.Κ. <sup style="position:relative">λόγος<span style="position:relative;bottom:-2.0ex;left:-5.2ex;*left:-5.5ex">πράξις 13:52, 16 November 2012 (UTC)

Revision as of 18:39, 16 June 2012 (edit) (undo) Reagavarinx talk (→‎ANI: Heyyy, Athenean! If United Nations Security Council Official Record is UNRELIABLE SOURCE for you, what is a reliable source for you? Please, specify so that we can use your "reliable" sources.)

Revision as of 14:57, 23 October 2010 (edit) (undo) Nestera (talk | contribs) (The Greek Cypriots other than the ones in Rizakarpaso ALL REFUSED TO LIVE UNDER TURKISH CYPRIOT ADMINISTRATION, and therefore, fleed to the South by their own will.)

Revision as of 05:21, 5 October 2011 Synderalla45 (→‎First line: I, Synderalla45, am not sock. You, Athenean, made LOTS OF EDITS WITHOUT ANY CONSENSUS in the Northern Cyprus page. I will definitely revert Athenean's edits.)'

Revision as of 22:29, 4 July 2010 (edit) (undo)A3000B (talk | contribs)(LEVELS OF ECONOMIC, POLITICAL AND MILITARY DEPENDENCIES OF NORTH CYPRUS TO TURKEY IS GIVEN IN THE RELATED HEADINGS (economy, politics, military) IN THE ARTICLE)


 * Billiards

Yes. Billiards. In their rush to declare TRNC an independent state, socks like to mention a 2010 Billiards match between TRNC and Cyprus and point to a picture uploaded by, another sock of Justice Forever who also added the original edit at the TRNC article, including the most probably copyvio image of an apparent tv-screenshot:

Revision as of 19:59, 16 June 2010 (edit) (undo)A3000B (talk | contribs)(→‎Sports: National teams of Cyprus and North Cyprus matched in an international sport tournament for the first time in Pool Billiard 2010 of European Championships for National Teams.)

The image is small and looks like a screenshot,.

Now Nebilla41 takes the Billiards mantle from the other socks, specifically linking to the file uploaded by A3000B and using it as proof that TRNC and Cyprus are two independent Countries:



Δρ.Κ. <sup style="position:relative">λόγος<span style="position:relative;bottom:-2.0ex;left:-5.2ex;*left:-5.5ex">πράξις 13:55, 16 November 2012 (UTC)

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ANS: What is new and recently mentioned in Cyprus Dispute is the "New negotiations" section of the article. Hence, I must not be expected to contribute on already settled facts by numerous Wikipedia users, rather I should be expected newly appearing things. That is what most of the Wikiusers do. Nebilla41 (talk) 22:36, 15 November 2012 (UTC)
 * "Dr.K.: Cyprus Dispute (New negotiations section): Socks like to update the "New negotiations" section of Cyprus Dispute"

ANS: The population movements and settlers and the property are of the main topics of Cyprus issue. The various leaders of Cyprus negotiations defending their positions does not make them sock. "Papadopulous, Clerides, Christofias" are saying the exactly same things just as "Denktas, Eroglu etc". Are "Papadopulous, Clerides, Christofias" and "Denktas, Eroglu" socks or different people?
 * Dr. K.: "Legality of the population exchanges: Socks also make the same points about the legality of the population exchanges"

By the way, in the edit (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Northern_Cyprus&diff=prev&oldid=497187958) I also corrected the historical distortions! FALSE: "After the hostilities in 1974, ...Other Greek Cypriots in the North (approximately 160,000) fled to the south, while 50,000 Turkish Cypriots fled north. Some population transfers were made in accordance with the Population Exchange Agreement between Turkish and Greek Cypriots under the auspices of United Nations on 2 August 1975". TRUTH: More than 100000 GCs moved not when "After the hostilities in 1974" but in "August 1975 after UN Population Exchange Agreement"!Nebilla41 (talk) 23:55, 15 November 2012 (UTC)

ANS: Dr.K.'s Talk Page: ( http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Dr.K.&action=history ). I (Nebilla41) have only 2 edits! Even, my second edit ( http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Dr.K.&diff=522970169&oldid=522970081 ) just for tipo correction for line breaking. Hence, in essence, I made only 1 edit in Dr.K.'s Talk Page. Dr.K., is this bombardment? Only this disproof suffices to destroy his claims the let alone the remaining disproofs of his claims.Nebilla41 (talk) 00:06, 16 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Dr. K.: "Bombing my talkpage with info".

Strongly endorse the conclusions of this SPI. The similarities are blindingly obvious. Athenean (talk) 22:29, 15 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Comment and suggestion by Athenean

Also, given how prolific this sockpuppeteer is, I strongly urge that his CU logs be stored from now on, to aid in future cases. Athenean (talk) 09:42, 16 November 2012 (UTC)

Clerk, CheckUser, and/or patrolling admin comments
Not sure what assistance a checkuser can be - the last sock edited in July. However, do feel free to go WP:DUCK hunting. That quacking seems rather loud. --Elen of the Roads (talk) 00:58, 16 November 2012 (UTC)
 * - All prior sockpuppets are . Reaper Eternal (talk) 14:19, 16 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Per the above evidence, which Elen also appears to agree with, I have indefinitely blocked the sockpuppet. Reaper Eternal (talk) 14:19, 16 November 2012 (UTC)

20 November 2012

 * Suspected sockpuppets


 * User compare report Auto-generated every hour.

As soon as gets indeffed the one edit account appears to add the identical edit Nebilla was trying to add. This goes beyond quacking. It is supersonic quacking. Δρ.Κ. <sup style="position:relative">λόγος<span style="position:relative;bottom:-2.0ex;left:-5.2ex;*left:-5.5ex">πράξις 23:42, 20 November 2012 (UTC)


 * Thank you MS. Δρ.Κ. <sup style="position:relative">λόγος<span style="position:relative;bottom:-2.0ex;left:-5.2ex;*left:-5.5ex">πράξις 00:14, 21 November 2012 (UTC)

Comments by other users
''Accused parties may also comment/discuss in this section below. See Defending yourself against claims.'' Completely false! Dr. K. is deleting all the neutral cited info about the Cyprus issue.

He is blocking everyone in favor of Turks or trying to persuade Wiki admins to block them. I will give examples. Systematically99 (talk) 23:51, 20 November 2012 (UTC) Dr. K. is deleting all the neutral cited info about the Cyprus issue: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Northern_Cyprus&diff=523320322&oldid=522816205 The info: thumb|right|National [[billiards teams of the Republic of Cyprus and TR of Northern Cyprus played each other for the first time in 2010.]].
 * PROOF 1: Deletion of Cited info in Northern Cyprus:

Dr. K. TRNC and Cyprus matched and they played against each other. Why did you delete this?Systematically99 (talk) 23:54, 20 November 2012 (UTC) http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Cyprus_dispute&diff=524104777&oldid=524103299 The info:
 * PROOF 2: Deletion of Cited info in Cyprus Dispute:
 * I've blocked Systematically99 per WP:AIV report and unambiguous evidence. Materialscientist (talk) 00:10, 21 November 2012 (UTC)

Clerk, CheckUser, and/or patrolling admin comments

 * . Both accounts are now indefinitely blocked. --(ʞɿɐʇ) ɐuɐʞsǝp 15:29, 21 November 2012 (UTC)
 * WE're done here, closing and archiving Courcelles 17:45, 21 November 2012 (UTC)

22 November 2012

 * Suspected sockpuppets


 * User compare report Auto-generated every hour.

Continuing disruption. Duck on steroids and using a megaphone is in effect. Δρ.Κ. <sup style="position:relative">λόγος<span style="position:relative;bottom:-2.0ex;left:-5.2ex;*left:-5.5ex">πράξις 22:33, 22 November 2012 (UTC)

Comments by other users
''Accused parties may also comment/discuss in this section below. See Defending yourself against claims.''

Clerk, CheckUser, and/or patrolling admin comments

 * Already dealt with. -- DQ  (ʞlɐʇ)  19:40, 24 November 2012 (UTC)

28 January 2014

 * Suspected sockpuppets


 * User compare report Auto-generated every hour.
 * Editor interaction utility

All socks try to find evidence of increased acceptance of Northern Cyprus in the areas of UN declarations, Sports, (especially Billiards and Tae Kwon Do), and university education. They also have a habit of using walls of text and write loud remarks on talkpages. They also use original research and synthesis to advance their POV. I know this is stale for CU but I submit the following evidence based on behavioural grounds.
 * Summary
 * Comparative analysis


 * Topic:
 * Sports (Billiards, Taekwon do and other)
 * Alexyflemming: (NC is a member of Int'l Fed. of Associated Wrestling Styles (FILA), Global Taekwon-do Fed., Fed.Int'l FootballTennis Association, European Cyclists' Fed, European Billiard Fed, Union Mondial de Billard, etc.)]
 * Blocked sock : (→‎Sports: North Cyprus is a member of World Pool-Billard Association. WPA Official site linked.)
 * Alexyflemming: (EPBF MEMBERS)
 * Blocked sock : (→‎Sports: National teams of Cyprus and North Cyprus matched in an international sport tournament for the first time in Pool Billiard 2010 of European Championships for National Teams.) see also: Alexyflemming:(→‎Edit request: Northern Cyprus and Cyprus are being represented as two different countries in International Hotel and Restaurant Association (IHRA)). Notice emphasis on "proving" TRNC and Cyprus are two separate countries using minor events.


 * Tae Kwon Do:
 * Alexyflemming: (→‎Defacto selfdeclared 2: The address of the headquarter of "Eurasia Taekwondo Federations Union". (Located in Kyrenia, Northern Cyprus))
 * Alexyflemming: (NC is a member of Int'l Fed. of Associated Wrestling Styles (FILA), Global Taekwon-do Fed., Fed.Int'l FootballTennis Association, European Cyclists' Fed, European Billiard Fed, Union Mondial de Billard, etc.)
 * A3000B: (→‎Sports: Taekwon-do Federation of North Cyprus is a member of Global Taekwon-do Federation: http://www.gtftaekwondo.com)
 * A3000B: (North Cyprus is a member of Global Taekwon-do Federation (GTF): http://web.mac.com/gtftaekwondo/GTF/Members.html)


 * The Kosovo declaration
 * Alexyflemming: (→‎History: International Court of Justice is also an organization of UN and decided in 2010 that "International law contains no prohibition on declarations of independence".)
 * Alexyflemming: (United Nations' International Court of Justice (2010): "International law contains no prohibition on declarations of independence".)


 * Blocked sock : (→‎History: Reference is given. The president of the International Court of Justice, Hisashi Owada: "International law contains no prohibition on declarationS of independence")
 * Cratosian: (→‎History: 22 July 2010, United Nations' International Court of Justice:"International law contains NO PROHIBITION ON DECLARATIONS OF INDEPENDENCE".)
 * Freedom House
 * Alexyflemming: (→‎Democratic freedom: Freedom House (Freedom in the World 2014 Report): Northern Cyprus is "free" in political rights and civil liberties.)
 * Blocked sock : (→‎Human rights: Freedom House's Freedom in the World 2011: Both of the countries Cyprus and North Cyprus are free; 2007-2011 period the freedom in North Cyprus increased whereas decreased in Cyprus)
 * Education in Northern Cyprus
 * Alexyflemming: ("NC has an increasing international acception": 63,000 univ. studs from 108 countries in Northern Cyprus.)
 * Cratosian: (→‎Education: North Cyprus's Girne American University Canterbury campus in United Kingdom was accredited by the British Accreditation Council in 2010. Reference in the BAC official site is given.)

Including bombardment with walls of text: Revives a discussion from 19 January 2013 from last year involving ARBMAC blocked editor and uses him in his list of supporters to advance his synthesis, while at the same time asking that the time stamps and signatures of the editors commenting be removed:.
 * Loud all capitals in discussions:
 * Alexyflemming: (→‎Edit request: I agree with E4024. The introductory text in first paragraph is definitely wrong.)
 * A3000B: (LEVELS OF ECONOMIC, POLITICAL AND MILITARY DEPENDENCIES OF NORTH CYPRUS TO TURKEY IS GIVEN IN THE RELATED HEADINGS (economy, politics, military) IN THE ARTICLE)
 * Disruption on the talkpage of Northern Cyprus

This is for starters. Additional diffs on request. Thank you. Δρ.Κ. <sup style="position:relative">λόγος<span style="position:relative;bottom:-2.0ex;left:-5.2ex;*left:-5.5ex">πράξις  01:18, 28 January 2014 (UTC) Δρ.Κ. <sup style="position:relative">λόγος<span style="position:relative;bottom:-2.0ex;left:-5.2ex;*left:-5.5ex">πράξις   01:18, 28 January 2014 (UTC)

Comments by other users
''Accused parties may also comment/discuss in this section below. See Defending yourself against claims.'' To Summary part: Since the lack of recognition of Northern Cyprus restricts it in many sport branches, its accepted sport branches (rather a little number) seems to being spotted is normal.

"walls of text": Every serious wiki-user supports its arguements with references and strong evidences. This may take little long compared with instant and non-supported info and data.

"loud remarks on talkpages": The simplest thing to differentiate a text is capitalize it. Though that, there are many edits that I used boldface and italics. See my edits since 20 February 2010.

"usage of original research and synthesis to advance their POV": I refer the articles that citing other articles as references. If one clearly see my edits since 20.02.2010, this can be seen clearly. Also, I don't have any intention to advance my edits. Notice that even when many wiki users share my thoughts in Talk pages, I still wait other wiki-users to share the same things, or even further contribute with different thoughts: Here is just one proof: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Northern_Cyprus&diff=592682665&oldid=592537514 Edit summary of the above edit: "I am listing the supporters of the proposal. Let people that support and disagree the proposal participate the poll with the reasoning of their vote." As is clearly seen, I have no aim to promote my ideas. I strongly try to collect counter ideas as well!

I will reply the other claims as well. Please wait. Till that, please observe the following. 1. Background: I am a very old Wiki-user. My first edit: 20 February 2010. https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=World_Pool-Billiard_Association&oldid=345174463

2. I do not need to copy myself for gaining an extra advantage or something else in Wikipedia. Just the opposite, I try to convince the other Wiki-users in Talk Pages of Wikipedia articles. Look: I am accused to enter an edit war at 21.01.2014 19.04: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Alexyflemming&diff=prev&oldid=591752969

See the accused edit war in: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Northern_Cyprus&action=history

Though that we (I and some other wiki user) talked many things and reached consensus in the Talk page: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Northern_Cyprus&diff=592158491&oldid=592157321

And, I did not make any edit about the thing discussed as is seen from 21.01.2014 17.00. That is to say, the claimed edit war never happened. Observe even after we reached the consensus in the talk page, I did not process the consensus to the article page since I want many wiki-users to share the consensus we reached.

3. Edit merits are all different: Statistically: Items...Users Alexyflemming(me) Justice_Forever Combined Unique pages: 37                   11              2 Edit count:   91                   18    29(me)/3(jf) Normal edit time: 28.0101      22.684

Please wait while I am preparing the replies of other claims. There are so many accusations!

Education in Northern Cyprus: See the huge difference about the subject of claimed edits; one is "no. of univ. students in a country", and the other is "accreditation of one of the universities in that country". It is a fact that every edit in an article advances that article. Hence, contributions by adding the recent developments and news about the education of one country should not be confused with its promotion, especially from the perspective of "increased acceptance of a country". Because, when viewed in that way, not only me, but also evey wiki user contributing that page by editing the current developments can be regarded as socpuppettry. This is valid not also for me, for that issue, but also for other wiki users and for other wiki articles as well. I request wiki admins especially notice this difference. Could we regard all the contributors to an issue (an ordinary wiki article) all sockpuppettry?

Freedom House case: As seen clearly, I am updating a statistics and data in Wiki article for the year 2014. Another wiki user can update for the year 2015, etc. The updaters of a statistics or data in a wiki article are clearly not sockpuppeters of each other. I kindly request the moderators of Wikipedia to pay attention to this difference. Obsolete and not-up-to-date statistics and data in Wikipedia must be made. The coincidence of the edits in that respect should not be regarded as puppet. Look when one read a wiki article, one may aware the oldness of the info, and react it. There are many wiki articles with little info, hence, the subjects of edits of may coincide in many case.

Abuses of others: I cooperate with Wikipedia authorities whenever I see an abuse. This is valid, even well before this sockpupettrry claim, Look: I desired help ( https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:Abuse_response&diff=592554312&oldid=580508095 ) in 26.01.2014 for the disastrous edits of others: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Trikomo,_Cyprus&diff=592764797&oldid=592690564 I do not observe any cooperation of the justice forever with Wikipedia. Alexyflemming (talk) 11:48, 28 January 2014 (UTC)

One last note. My wiki username is not puppet, it is my name and surname. Do not hesitate to contact with me via alexyflemming at gmail dot com Alexyflemming (talk) 10:14, 28 January 2014 (UTC)

Further accusation and further disproof: Disruption on the talkpage of Northern Cyprus: I do not revive the discussion. The issue that Dr. K. mentioned lied and STILL lies in the Talk page (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Northern_Cyprus) when I wanted to mention my thoughts. So, I decided to add my thoughts. As an any ordinary wiki user, I still consider that if a writing or issue lies in the talk page of a wiki article, then normally one may think the issue is still continueing, one maybe cannot aware the time-stamps of other edits when editing. If it was dead, then it was already taken to archieves, wasn't it so?

I do not follow who is blocked or not when I make edits. I didn't know E4024 was blocked. Still, for me, I do not see anything that shows E4024 is blocked: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:E4024&action=history Here, there are blocks, but there are UNblocks as well. When I made my edit on 07:14, 21 January 2014 (UTC), E4024 was an UNblocked normal wiki user, as is currently the situation.

One may add an unblocked wiki user in his or her list of supporters when a poll or survey. When a wiki user is unblocked, he or she is just an ordinary wiki user, not different from the others.

"asking that the time stamps and signatures of the editors commenting be removed": As you state I am asking! I made edit for not disruption, but organizing. Look at my edit: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Northern_Cyprus&diff=next&oldid=592709221 I even not change a comma from your edit: Before my edit:
 * This is pure synthesis. There are no reliable sources which support this statement. Please consult WP:ORIGINALRESEARCH and WP:SYNTHESIS. Δρ.Κ. <sup style="position:relative">λόγος<span style="position:relative;bottom:-2.0ex;left:-5.2ex;*left:-5.5ex">πράξις  23:05, 27 January 2014 (UTC)

After my edit: Δρ.Κ.: This is pure synthesis. There are no reliable sources which support this statement. Please consult WP:ORIGINALRESEARCH and WP:SYNTHESIS. Δρ.Κ. <sup style="position:relative">λόγος<span style="position:relative;bottom:-2.0ex;left:-5.2ex;*left:-5.5ex">πράξις  23:05, 27 January 2014 (UTC)

So, as is seen clearly, I even not change a comma from the comment of Dr. K, only organize. Also, I asked from him (https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Dr.K.&diff=592792576&oldid=592758825) whether he knows a wiki tool to collect votes and thoughts simultameously: This is the content of my edit on Dr. K.'s page: Hi, Dr. K. Here: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Northern_Cyprus&diff=592791087&oldid=592781593 You said: "Not allowed to change the comments of others.". My aim was not to change the user comments as you may guess immediately (I did not change even a comma in your comment in essence). I wanted only organize the pro and con opinions in the systematic way. I do not know any way of this. A table is not suitable I think. Once I remimber, there were green OK and red NON symbols in Wikipedia for voting in Talk pages. I think, consensus is more than voting, in essence. Is there a tool in Wikipedia that users put pro..con symbols while simultanously have the ability to add relevant opinion? I think the merit of pro..con opininions superside the numbers of pros or cons. Kind regards. Alexyflemming (talk) 13:44, 28 January 2014 (UTC) Alexyflemming (talk) 15:12, 28 January 2014 (UTC)

Clerk, CheckUser, and/or patrolling admin comments

 * Alexyflemming has said on my talk page, that just need some more time to organise their defence and put it on this page. Would patrolling admins please give him some time to reply to the claims above. Thanks, Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 08:40, 28 January 2014 (UTC)


 * Having looked through the evidence and counter claims I'm not convinced that Alexyflemming is a sock of Justice Forever so am closing with . Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 11:36, 31 January 2014 (UTC)