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Same pattern of work with KIENGIR. He is Hungariazing persons without any evidence. 1, 2 Not to mention these names are really not even Hungarian. But for any ethnicity you must bring evidence anyway. I am afraid he was never gone.

László Vazulvonal of Stockholm was blocked, then ON THIS PAGE shows up Zsovar to impose again the ethnicity without any proof.

This guy has wrecked/filled the Wikipedia with irredentism.

THEN the IPs, KIENGIR was banned for all from Wikipedia and in those days exactly IPs from Tatabanya, Hungary are editing on Romanian handball using the same pattern. The pattern is like of Győri Audi ETO KC, he's also adding photos of the arenas and street on every article, plus kit. See the work of the IPs.

There are also several other "Hungarian" handball users like that, but I am not gonna paste them until you will associate this to a guy who is using many sockpuppets on the same pages.

Also Kiengir before was very active on Hungarian diaspora, 1, 2 and 3 at least, and Zsovar shows up here with absolutely every edit https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Hungarian_diaspora&action=history. End-of-season-updates (talk) 10:51, 15 June 2021 (UTC)

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 * I have tried to put it under the blocked user KIENGIR. Why does the redirect brings it here? Txbiassss is probably his mobile phone. I am reporting KIENGIR actually. End-of-season-updates (talk) 10:54, 15 June 2021 (UTC)
 * The redirect came a'sbout because I reported some socks which I thought were KIENGIR, but which turned out to belong to Txbiassss, so the report was re-titled and a redirect put in place, but if you are actually reporting KIENGIR, a CLERK should probably re-title this under KIENGIR, since Txbiassss has no relation to that editor. Beyond My Ken (talk) 23:25, 15 June 2021 (UTC)
 * OK, mea culpa, I tried to do the move myself and may have screwed it up. I'd be grateful if a clerk could check this page and Sockpuppet investigations/Txbiassss to see what I may have done wrong. Beyond My Ken (talk) 23:39, 15 June 2021 (UTC)
 * You're brave for attempting that, but perhaps you should have followed your own advice. ;) It's a cluster now, but to be fair it was a bit of a cluster when you started. The history of these SPI pages makes no sense whatsoever. – bradv  🍁  23:43, 15 June 2021 (UTC)
 * I think I may have cleaned it up, but I do apologize for sticking my toe in where I had no business going. Take a look and see if I've straightened it out. Beyond My Ken (talk) 23:45, 15 June 2021 (UTC)
 * This looks like a job for . – bradv  🍁  23:56, 15 June 2021 (UTC)
 * This is going to need some histmerges. This pages' history seems to be all over the place since Txbiassss was cut and paste moved from the original KIENGIR case (see also here), with that pages history partially being at Sockpuppet investigations/Stubes99. The round-robin complicated this because it now makes Special:PageHistory/Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/KIENGIR look like this case was cut and paste moved from itself to itself. How to untangle this, I have no clue. The IRC bat signal has been sent out to our resident histmerge wizard, hopefully he'll be able to figure this out. --Blablubbs&#124;talk 23:56, 15 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Well, I'm extremely embarrassed at my part is screwing this up, and offer my abject apologies. Beyond My Ken (talk) 00:36, 16 June 2021 (UTC)


 * I see a connection between all the IPs, but I'm not seeing obvious links between the named accounts. In particular, László Vazulvonal starting editing in 2014 and was blocked in 2015, so I'm not seeing how it could "then" an account that only started editing this year. Are there more direct diffs that show similar styles etc.? CMD (talk) 13:03, 14 June 2021 (UTC)

Clerk, CheckUser, and/or patrolling admin comments

 * I think I've put everything where it's supposed to be. For the confused people reading the page history: we had a mix-up involving a redirect to Sockpuppet_investigations/Txbiassss.
 * , provide specific pairs of diffs showing how the various accounts are editing like KIENGIR, please. GeneralNotability (talk) 00:54, 16 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Requested additional clues were never provided, so closing with no action taken. In any case, the IPs haven't edited for months, and my quick evaluation of Zsovar makes me pretty sure they're not KIENGIR. -- RoySmith (talk) 02:04, 30 June 2021 (UTC)

Suspected sockpuppets

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This user showed up on 25 August 2021, five months after User:KIENGIR was banned. Like KIENGIR, he writes in poor English, pens lengthy tirades, reverts until his opponents submit and edits exclusively from a Hungarian nationalist perspective. The similarities are too great to ignore. Biruitorul Talk 21:48, 6 May 2023 (UTC)

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 * - Please proved specific examples of the behaviour described. Serious allegations like sockpuppetry require supporting evidence. Sir Sputnik (talk) 23:36, 6 May 2023 (UTC)
 * I guess this thread is a start, one picking up where the other left off. Similar word pattern too. — Biruitorul Talk 07:50, 7 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Both editors referred to User:Super Dromaeosaurus as “Super”: 1 2 and 3 4. — Biruitorul Talk 13:10, 7 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Both editors edited the same 163 mainspace pages, plus 27 other pages. — Biruitorul Talk 14:02, 7 May 2023 (UTC)
 * None of this is useful evidence. Numerical overlap almost always too vague to be actionable. The diffs are not strongly indicative of sockpuppetry. While they are behaviour that I would expect of a sockpuppet, they are not behaviour that I would only expect of sockpuppet. Let me reiterate my comment above. Please provide specific examples of the behaviour described in the original report. Poor English, tirades, and specific POV's can all be good evidence of sockpuppetry. However, I'm not going to digging through nearly 2,500 edits by OrionNimrod to determine whether they've actually done any of that and then some 25,00 edits by KIENGIR to determine whether those edits actually indicate sockpuppetry. Sir Sputnik (talk) 01:36, 8 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Given that the requested evidence does not appear to be forthcoming, I'm closing this without further action, but without prejudice to re-reporting with better evidence. Sir Sputnik (talk) 03:13, 11 May 2023 (UTC)