Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Kalelizade/Archive

Suspected sockpuppets

 * ( original case name)

More or less the exact same additions;

Brunozade Osmanlı bilgesi

Other very akin edits;

Brunozade Osmanlı bilgesi

Brunozade Osmanlı bilgesi

HistoryofIran (talk) 16:10, 2 October 2022 (UTC)

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 * ✅: -- RoySmith (talk) 23:07, 2 October 2022 (UTC)
 * I'll cublock all three. Kalelizade is the oldest account, but no edits; I'll let a clerk figure out how they want to handle the tagging. -- RoySmith (talk) 23:09, 2 October 2022 (UTC)
 * RoySmith - ✅. I've moved the SPI to the discovered master, and have tagged appropriately. Closing SPI...  ~Oshwah~  (talk) (contribs)   23:17, 2 October 2022 (UTC)
 * The SandDoctor Talk 11:55, 4 October 2022 (UTC)

Suspected sockpuppets
At List of Turkish philosophers and scientists, Artemius0178 restored more or less the same edit done by Kalelizade's sock Osmanlı bilgesi. The same article was also heavily edited by Kalelizade's other sock Brunozade, e.g.

At Al-Isfizari, Artemius also tried to Turkify the figure with 0 zero sources, just like Osmanlı bilgesi. However, he then reverted himself, perhaps to avoid suspicion? He's certainly not very good at it. HistoryofIran (talk) 12:45, 8 October 2022 (UTC)

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 * Due to technical issues with the CheckUser extension (patch waiting) I cannot provide a confirmation, however, based on experience CU says this is a sock. Notes on the checkuser wiki and I can give some detail on this to any admin/clerk who would like to use it to recommend or make a block. Dreamy Jazz talk to me &#124; my contributions 15:18, 8 October 2022 (UTC)
 * . Dreamy Jazz talk to me &#124; my contributions 21:27, 8 October 2022 (UTC)

Suspected sockpuppets
Türk Bîrûnî added Mustafa ibn Ali al-Muwaqqit (whose origins are unknown per the article, Kalelizade has a history of Turkifying figures) to List of Turkish philosophers and scientists just like Kalelizade's sock Osmanlı bilgesi. The latter article has been edited a lot by Kalelizade's socks, just see its recent history

Another article Türk Bîrûnî edited was Mirim Çelebi, also edited by three of Kalelizade's socks   HistoryofIran (talk) 21:00, 12 October 2022 (UTC)

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 * - for training. firefly  ( t · c ) 14:43, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Türk Bîrûnî is ✅ via.
 * Also found and  which are . Blocking the lot. Closing.  firefly  ( t · c ) 17:42, 13 October 2022 (UTC)

Suspected sockpuppets
Restored more or less the same edits of at least two of Kalelizade's socks:

Savalanni:

Türk Bîrûnî

Artemius0178

Note that the origins of Mustafa ibn Ali al-Muwaqqit is not mentioned in his article, yet they keep trying to add it to List of Turkish philosophers and scientists.

At a first glance, it seems like Savalanni simply followed me from this ANI thread. However, the suffix "zade" in the names of Kalelizade and his other sock Brunozade are both Persian words. The vast majority of Savalanni's edits are Iran-related, and he himself seemingly is from the country or at least has connections to it (his name also seemingly means "from Sabalan"), based on some of his comments in the ANI report (eg ). In other words, they both seem connected to Iran.

Like Kalelizade and his socks, Savalanni is also obsessed with the Turkic connection of other articles, kinda why the ANI report was made in the first place by another user (you get the idea, I rather not derail too much). HistoryofIran (talk) 11:43, 13 October 2022 (UTC)

EDIT: Yeah, I think you're right. This seems even more unlikely now that Savalanni started reverting me in another article. Sorry for this - I retract my nomination, I don't want you guys to waste your resources/time on something like this. This rather seems like a case of WP:HOUNDING than sockpuppetry. --HistoryofIran (talk) 18:40, 13 October 2022 (UTC)

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 * I clearly say I have no connection to the user Türk Bîrûnî or Kalelizade or Artemius0178. First time I hear of them. @Admins: please check it to get sure. I think HistoryofIran may have somehow obsession against me, because I have discovered and presented some of his mistakes in Wikipedia. Savalanni (talk) 12:20, 13 October 2022 (UTC)

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 * - for training with the above case. firefly  ( t · c ) 14:43, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
 * I don't think there's anything here - the behavioural connection seems tenuous (previous socks use mobile web seemingly exclusively, along with some other minor tells), and this account doesn't have the laser-like focus of the others. Tempted to close without action - will leave it a day in case someone else with more case familiarity disagrees. firefly  ( t · c ) 17:46, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Given the filer has agreed with my assessment I’m closing this without action.  firefly  ( t · c ) 19:31, 13 October 2022 (UTC)

Suspected sockpuppets
Brand new user immediately started editing List of Turkish philosophers and scientists, an article Kalelizade and his socks are obsessed about, constantly editing it (diffs aren't even going to cut it, just see the history of the article )

Also started editing Mirim Çelebi, another article targeted by Kalelizade and co.   HistoryofIran (talk) 12:49, 15 October 2022 (UTC)

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 * + behaviour of single-minded interest in the relevant topic == . firefly  ( t · c ) 13:58, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Spicy (talk) 17:33, 15 October 2022 (UTC)

Suspected sockpuppets
Obvious sock, immediately started editing List of Turkish philosophers and scientists and Mirim Çelebi, articles which Kalelizade and his socks are obsessed with (diffs aren't going to cut it, see their history ).

Also compare Lalabinali's diff to that of the other socks

HistoryofIran (talk) 15:24, 16 October 2022 (UTC)

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 * - again, the single-minded interest in the relevant area makes this easy. Bagged, tagged, and . Closing. firefly  ( t · c ) 17:08, 16 October 2022 (UTC)

Suspected sockpuppets
Brand new user immediately starts editing List of Turkish philosophers and scientists and Qāḍī Zāda al-Rūmī, both articles edited by Kalelizade's socks (Qāḍī Zāda al-Rūmī; ) (List of Turkish philosophers and scientists; too many to count, see history ) HistoryofIran (talk) 20:43, 19 October 2022 (UTC)

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 * - -- RoySmith (talk) 01:46, 20 October 2022 (UTC)
 * ✅ There's a few more accounts that are ✅ but zero edits so I'm not going to do anything about them yet. -- RoySmith (talk) 01:53, 20 October 2022 (UTC)
 * MarioGom (talk) 17:58, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

Suspected sockpuppets

 * First edit is at Mirim Çelebi, an article edited several times by his socks.


 * Afromentioned diff is extremely similar to this older diff by one of the socks.


 * Behrilazade's name has the word "zade" just like the other socks; Kalelizade and Brunozade. HistoryofIran (talk) 17:18, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

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 * . Blocked as proven, and also sprinkled some page protection around. -- RoySmith (talk) 18:53, 21 October 2022 (UTC)
 * MarioGom (talk) 17:58, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

Suspected sockpuppets
Similar name as one of the previous socks, User:Türk Bîrûnî. This wouldn't be the first time Kalelizade's socks had similiar names. Such as User:Artemius0178 and User:09artemisi. This time he seems to be masquerading as an Italian, since part of his name is Maometto (Italian for "Muhammad") and he also first started editing at List of Italian scientists before slowly moving to the area he is actually interested in.


 * 1) Al-Farghani: One of Kalelizade's socks attempted to remove the Arab origin of al-Farghani . Biruni Maometto writes in the talk page of said article, claiming "there is no possibility that the man was an Arab.".
 * 2) Edits in Muhammad al-Qunawi and Mustafa ibn Ali al-Muwaqqit, the former which has been edited by Kalelizade's sock before, and both articles have been repeatedly attempted by Kalelizade to be added into List of Turkish philosophers and scientists (eg  ).
 * 3) List of inventions in the medieval Islamic world: Added amongst other unsourced things the claim that Ali Qushji is "Turkish", which was also attempted by Kalelizade's sock in the Ali Qushji article itself . They also added Mirim Çelebi, whose article has been disrupted a lot of times by Kalelizade's socks (see its recent history . They added that Mirim Çelebi "developed 5 solutions to Calculate the Sine wave of 1°arc.", something Kalelizade's socks also attempted in the article of Mirim Çelebi various times       HistoryofIran (talk) 20:18, 21 November 2022 (UTC)

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 * -  Girth Summit  (blether)  23:44, 21 November 2022 (UTC)
 * ✅, also:
 * Blocking, requesting locks etc. Girth Summit  (blether)  23:45, 21 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Blocking, requesting locks etc. Girth Summit  (blether)  23:45, 21 November 2022 (UTC)

Suspected sockpuppets
Obvious sock, whose name is similar to that of another sock User:Biruni Maometto. Compare these diffs:

Abbas Wasim Efendi: Kalelizade's sock Pisalı Maometto

List of Turkish philosophers and scientists: Kalelizade's sock Pisalı Maometto HistoryofIran (talk) 12:52, 3 December 2022 (UTC)

Mirim Çelebi: Kalelizade's sock Pisalı Maometto

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 * - it seems very likely . MarioGom (talk) 16:00, 3 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Exceedingly - blocking, lock requested.   Girth Summit  (blether)  16:54, 3 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Hang on - broadened the search, there are more accounts, give me a minute.  Girth Summit  (blether)  16:55, 3 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Adding:
 * That's all I can see. Reclosing. Girth Summit  (blether)  16:56, 3 December 2022 (UTC)
 * That's all I can see. Reclosing. Girth Summit  (blether)  16:56, 3 December 2022 (UTC)