Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Kiefer.Wolfowitz/Archive

28 August 2013

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http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3AKiefer.Wolfowitz&diff=570502442&oldid=570422227 → Aza Toth 13:15, 28 August 2013 (UTC)

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Clerk, CheckUser, and/or patrolling admin comments

 * - Checkuser will not publicly disclose the connection between an account and an IP. Anyway, the IP is in the wrong location of the world to be Kiefer, and it's writing style is nothing like Kiefer's. It looks more like off-wiki coordination of editing than anything else. Closed. Reaper Eternal (talk) 13:27, 28 August 2013 (UTC)

24 May 2015

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Kiefer.Wolfowitz was blocked indefinitely 13 August 2013. Dame Etna was created 13 June 2013 but began editing 17 February 2015. Both accounts have concentrated on articles about mathematics and Social Democrats, USA (SDUSA). Below are some of the commonalities:

Argues that SDUSA was not founded by Shachtmanites and that there was no connection between SDUSA and neoconservatism:


 * "I see this problem of alleging a Shachtmanite conspiracy or takeover in many WP articles still,,,, [An editor] "was apparently was a partisan of a conspiracy theory that led from Max Schachtman to Neoconservatism."" 21:28, 7 June 2011
 * "Shachtman's important name had limited currency; in particular it was ignored by the NYT reporting on the founding convention of SDUSA.... Of those [Vaisse] names as neoconservatives, only Joshua Muravchick became a neoconservative." 13:46, 9 May 2015

Attacks the reliability of books published by the academic press based on the credentials and views of the authors:


 * "Busky [author of Democratic Socialism: a Global Survey (Praeger Publishers, 2000)] was a national officer of SPUSA and the PA state chair of SPUSA from 1978 until his death. His book is not serious, and his publisher is a known for weak books, below the leading history publishers...." 15:36, 18 July 2011
 * "Ross [author of The Socialist Party of America A Complete History (University of Nebraska Press, 2015)] is an independent writer (not an academic) who was home-schooled by his parents, both members of Harrington's DSOC (now DSA) before he attended the George Meany (!) Labor College, where he earned a B.A. He also had some "graduate study"." 07:21, 22 May 2015

TFD (talk) 00:03, 24 May 2015 (UTC)

Intersect Contribs shows both editors editing fourteen pages: 1.All fourths tuning 2.Bayard Rustin 3.Carl Gershman 4.Joshua Muravchik 5.Major thirds tuning 6.Neoconservatism 7.Ralph Nader 8.Social Democrats, USA 9.Tom Kahn 10.Talk:Bayard Rustin 11.Talk:Social Democrats, USA 12.User talk:Rjensen 13.Dispute resolution noticeboard 14.Template:Social democracy sidebar

TFD (talk) 00:51, 25 May 2015 (UTC)

Dame Etna, Re: Guitars. I suppose you are referring to this edit by IP83.254.148.228. I suppose you edited under the IP address before signing in minutes later, and I am adding it above. It is not unusual for an editor to change part of what s/he has written after it is questioned on the talk page. It is unusual however that both the Dame Etna and Kiefer.Wolfowitz accounts intersect in three distinct areas: SDUSA, mathematics and guitar tuning. Also interesting is that the IP traces to Sweden, while Kiefer.Wolfowitz has stated that he is from Sweden. TFD (talk) 02:06, 3 June 2015 (UTC)


 * Bbb23, I corrected the links. I must have had another link on my clipboard and apologize.  TFD (talk) 16:29, 5 June 2015 (UTC)

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This is very strange:
 * 1) I removed a rant/paragraph from two guitar articles, which apparently had been added by . The talk page of at least one of the articles or guitar chord had complaints about it being UNDUE.
 * 2) I added 7 thousand characters about neoconservatism and SDUSA to the SDUSA article, including the first paragraph and the closing paragraphs of the lede, so to be accused of denying any link with neoconservatism is strange.
 * 3) Shachtman? If somebody wants to add material about Shachtman and SDUSA, then a reliable source would be the 1972 WSJ article by Adams, which is cited by Isserman's biography of Harrington and other reliable sources. The Drucker biography, as already mentioned, would be a good source.

Otherwise, editors are expected to use reliable sources intelligently, for example by examining
 * evidence for extraodinary claims (which are supposed to have extraordinary evidence), or
 * COI declarations (see e.g. Theodore Draper's NYRB essay on Isserman and other revisionists on the CPUSA).

My last notes on the SDUSA talk page warn of sloppiness in the citation of Adams by Bloodworth, so please do not accuse me of trying to be manipulative in discussing scholarship because of my personal POV---I had enough of that at the DRN (to which I was invited).

The evidence against me and the tools could just as well be used to show that The Four Deuces and I are the same!

Perhaps in the future the accused should be notified of accusations?

Dame Etna (talk) 19:39, 2 June 2015 (UTC)

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 * Some clarifications on dates and blocks. It's true that 's account was created on June 13, 2013. However, there were also two edits on the creation date to their userpage. Then there's a gap until February 17, 2015. Kiefer's indefinite block on August 13, 2013, isn't as relevant as his status at the time Dame Etna's account was created. Kiefer was blocked many times in 2013, including during the period from June 3 to 15, 2013, meaning he was blocked at the time of the creation of the Dame Etna account.
 * @TFD, your apparent response to Dame Etna's comments ("Re: Guitars") has a link to "this edit". That is not a diff. It is a link to a page, and I can't follow what you're saying, particularly after about "signing in minutes later", etc. What sequence of edits are you referring to by the IP and Dame Etna?
 * @Dame Etna, regardless of whether you are Kiefer, you are obviously an experienced editor of Wikipedia. Where does that experience stem from? Have you ever had another account? As an aside, it is not required to notify users of the opening of an SPI case against them.--Bbb23 (talk) 15:12, 5 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Blocked the sock. Closing. Reaper Eternal (talk) 16:12, 5 June 2015 (UTC)