Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Kiernanmc/Archive

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Editing the same articles, talk pages, and same edit summaries, here are their complete contribution logs:
 * Kiernanmc: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Kiernanmc
 * Kingmanatee: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Kingmanatee

Both accounts are editing highly specific articles with similar patterns. The sock master is using their sock to win/sway debates and create a false sense of consensus. Both users participated in the same discussion acting like different people see: Talk:Chris Murphy. The sock master created the requested move and the sock commented "weak keep". From Talk:Chris Murphy: Master commented at 15 February 2018 ([] followed by their sock on 20 February 2018 ([]). From United States House of Representatives elections in Maine, 2018: User did it again on 18 February 2018 ([]) followed by their sock on 28 February 2018‎ ([]). The Editor Interaction Analyser ([]) shows that both edit the same articles, in a scaled fashion, with the same amount of edits. CamdenEric (talk) 02:45, 20 March 2018 (UTC)

Comments by other users
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Kiernanmc has not made an edit since February 20, 2018. I made my first edit on February 21, 2018. SPIs must demonstrate that the two accounts are being used simultaneously by the same person. We know definitively that the two accounts are not being used simultaneously, and there is no conclusive evidence that they are the same person.Kingmanatee (talk) 16:50, 22 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Kingmanatee, this is why there is "bad blood" between you/Kiernanmc/whoever and me. I joined Wikipedia to edit my favorite actor's article, Stephen Collins. I clicked on the page that had all the people named Stephen Collins on it and nominated three (out of the 12) for deletion because I thought they were not notable enough to have their own articles. I just so happen to nominate one of the Steve Collins that Kiernanmc created and contributed most to. I click on their username and theres a link to someone with the same last name. Not cool. And then I see you add his birthday on there with no source. You started editing a day after? Heres a medal. You're editing the same articles and contributing to the same discussions as if completely independent people. Double not cool. CamdenEric (talk) 17:28, 22 March 2018 (UTC)
 * that is a misinterpretation of our socking policy. You may not create an alternative account to evade policy - that includes COI. Your evasive comment above frankly confirms to me the CU evidence that the accounts are closely linked. &#x2230; Bellezzasolo &#x2721;   Discuss  19:28, 22 March 2018 (UTC)
 * This looks to me very much like an attempt at a clean start. Quite possibly because of the clear connection to a topic of active interest, although I will not assume so, due to AGF. However, you need to do much more explaining for traction. Otherwise, it looks like an attempt to evade COI restrictions, which is forbidden under clean start policy. &#x2230; Bellezzasolo &#x2721;   Discuss  19:34, 22 March 2018 (UTC)
 * A user could, in theory, regret having attached their name to their Wikipedia username, and attempt a clean start in the hopes that the user's new account would provide them anonymity when editing. However, if in the course of that effort someone were to charge that the new account was a sockpuppet, defending against that charge by clearly explaining the clean start would defeat the entire point, as the new account would be attached to their name as well.Kingmanatee (talk) 19:43, 22 March 2018 (UTC)
 * indeed, which is why nobody needs to inform of a fresh start. However, doing a name change in a COI situation looks like evading scrutiny. Indeed, if you read the clean start page, it advises to avoid the topic areas that you previously edited, precisely because people may recognise you. Frankly, the above is spoken like a politician - which ties in with Kiernanmc. Your mere manner of speech can betray you (again, I can't be sure, but I think I'm right!) We have functionaries who may be willing to help advise in such a situation. However, my recommendation to any such editor, would be to accept that their account is tied to their name, and behave accordingly. It will only help with a civil environment, and it will also maintain the trust of the community. &#x2230; Bellezzasolo &#x2721;   Discuss  20:29, 22 March 2018 (UTC)

Clerk, CheckUser, and/or patrolling admin comments
The two accounts are either operated by the same person or are meat puppets. Also, the filer knows that person or persons, and there's bad blood between them. I have more to say but for the moment choose not to.--Bbb23 (talk) 13:15, 20 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Both accounts blocked without tags. Closing. Bbb23 (talk) 21:40, 22 March 2018 (UTC)