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17 January 2013

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(Bare with me please, this is the very first time I've done one of these, and as you all know this kind of infrastructure isn't usually user-friendly). Ok, to make a long story short the other day a veteran editor dropped by the Coordinator's page over at milhist to request eyes on the article Battle of the Hague, which was in the midst of a content dispute between editors. I cautioned the parties involved, and decided to wait 24 hours to see if things didn't get better (they didn't, really), but in that time the main instigator to the dispute - Kliensma80 - demonstrated an abnormally high understanding of policy and content material for one registered on site for not quite a month, an observation shared by. This aroused my curiosity, so went digging into the current history of the pages back to about 12-24 months and noticed similar editing partners, edit summaries, and interests among the editors mentioned above and the article subject material. Given that all of the isp address goelocators trace back to the Netherlands or to Germany, and both the isp and registered accounts seem interested in the same material, I suspect a sock. I'm not entirely sure if this evidence is sufficient enough for you guys to run with it, but I thought it might be a good start. In particular, I'd like to point out that the isp address editors are at the moment apparently being to be used in such a way as to keep Kliensma80 for getting sack on 3rr grounds. (Note: the editor in question hasn't been informed yet because I have no proof positive, and I do not want to be seen assuming bad faith here, but I would like someone to look into this). If you need me to answer any more questions or provide more evidence or so forth then please leave me a message and I will get back to you. TomStar81 (Talk) 03:13, 17 January 2013 (UTC)


 * My apologies, but I've been dealing with a nasty case of food poisoning and haven't left the vicinity of the bathroom for most of the preceding 36 hours. I think the worst of it has passed, so I may try for the diffs later today if my stomach permits me to. Sorry for any inconvenience this may have caused. TomStar81 (Talk) 23:26, 23 January 2013 (UTC)

Apologies again for the tardiness, but after 48 hours of sipping pepto bismal through a silly straw and upchucking I think I am finially over whatever it was that I got that made me sick. Anyway, onto the officiall business here. This started off as a look at Kliensman's editing history, but when I noticed a gneral interest in German and Netherland related material in his edits along with the same instance of accounts with low edit usage and no user page profile I got susicious. The articles have a history in which Kliensman and other isp based accounts back and forth the material in an appernt attempt to push POV or perhaps include information of a more ambigious nature (its up for debate only becuase of the information cited goes to a german page which I can not read). In addition, in the below mentioned diffs, note that the edit summary usage for both Kliensman and the alleged sock acocunts have a tendancy to employ a smart-alecky or wise guy like reply to reverts and/or additions to the material made by second and third party members. They also tend to overstate certain facts or figures (ie: not "victory", but "X tactical victory", not "some did some didn't", but "X did, X did not", etc). I want to make a note of two things as I add this to the page: first, these are only the accounts I checked due to suspicioun, so its entirely possible that there may be other such examples inthe article that got past me (like I said, this is the first time I've done something like this, and it rarely if ever goes exactly as planned). Second, in the course of the look through the article histories below I did notice that has some edits to the pages, and this is an account already blocked for socking (or so his userpage says), so there may be something to that account and this case, but I will leave it to those more familar with this porcess to check that out.

Rotterdam Blitz:


 * http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Rotterdam_Blitz&diff=530624639&oldid=530603667
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Rotterdam_Blitz&diff=next&oldid=530628102
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Rotterdam_Blitz&diff=prev&oldid=530600038
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Rotterdam_Blitz&diff=529025452&oldid=526489253
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Rotterdam_Blitz&diff=439642122&oldid=438959156
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Rotterdam_Blitz&diff=next&oldid=323353689
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Rotterdam_Blitz&diff=next&oldid=325490225
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Rotterdam_Blitz&diff=next&oldid=325490544
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Rotterdam_Blitz&diff=next&oldid=325493986

Battle of Berlin:


 * http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Battle_of_Berlin_%28air%29&diff=533436663&oldid=533274656
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Battle_of_Berlin_%28air%29&diff=next&oldid=533436663
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Battle_of_Berlin_%28air%29&diff=533097038&oldid=533096487
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Battle_of_Berlin_%28air%29&diff=prev&oldid=533096487

Sausage:


 * http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Sausage&diff=533410006&oldid=532784290
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Sausage&diff=next&oldid=533410006
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Sausage&diff=next&oldid=533422317
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Sausage&diff=next&oldid=533432738

Kampfgeschwader 54:


 * http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Kampfgeschwader_54&diff=533431513&oldid=533403158
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Kampfgeschwader_54&diff=prev&oldid=533195386
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Kampfgeschwader_54&diff=prev&oldid=533194297
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Kampfgeschwader_54&diff=prev&oldid=530634871
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Kampfgeschwader_54&diff=prev&oldid=530624856
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Kampfgeschwader_54&diff=prev&oldid=530600718
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Kampfgeschwader_54&diff=prev&oldid=522084054
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Kampfgeschwader_54&diff=416137105&oldid=402502156
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Kampfgeschwader_54&diff=prev&oldid=294885075
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Kampfgeschwader_54&diff=prev&oldid=291073865
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Kampfgeschwader_54&diff=next&oldid=250691031

Battle for The Hague:


 * http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Battle_for_The_Hague&diff=534141646&oldid=534141409
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Battle_for_The_Hague&diff=prev&oldid=534141409
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Battle_for_The_Hague&diff=prev&oldid=533350786
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Battle_for_The_Hague&diff=prev&oldid=533350698
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Battle_for_The_Hague&diff=prev&oldid=533350624
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Battle_for_The_Hague&diff=prev&oldid=533350564
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Battle_for_The_Hague&diff=prev&oldid=533350538
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Battle_for_The_Hague&diff=prev&oldid=533350351
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Battle_for_The_Hague&diff=prev&oldid=533349917
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Battle_for_The_Hague&diff=prev&oldid=533197925
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Battle_for_The_Hague&diff=prev&oldid=533194835
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Battle_for_The_Hague&diff=prev&oldid=524528653
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Battle_for_The_Hague&diff=220923942&oldid=220892472
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Battle_for_The_Hague&diff=next&oldid=220923942

Erich Hartmann:


 * http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Erich_Hartmann&diff=533062150&oldid=533057742
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Erich_Hartmann&diff=prev&oldid=533051980
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Erich_Hartmann&diff=prev&oldid=532400652
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Erich_Hartmann&diff=524063332&oldid=523676828
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Erich_Hartmann&diff=488508356&oldid=483936096

Wolfgang Volz:


 * http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wolfgang_V%C3%B6lz&diff=531306856&oldid=531182336
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wolfgang_V%C3%B6lz&diff=next&oldid=531306856
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wolfgang_V%C3%B6lz&diff=next&oldid=531313688
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wolfgang_V%C3%B6lz&diff=next&oldid=531315707
 * http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wolfgang_V%C3%B6lz&diff=next&oldid=533380094

As to the rest, all of the above mentioned accounts and isp addresses seem to share a general insterest in German and military related material on site, and of the above the accounts suggest similar edit summaries and a similar push for over precision.

In the case of the account, which seems to edit the netherland related articles peacefully but was included here for being a low use account with only a few edits to German/Netherlands related articles, however the isp addresses 94.134.70.2, 77.169.3.175, and 195.169.209.53 have been active in the article history reverting material, and in one of the diffs privide, made use of an edit summary similar in nature to the ones used by Kliensma and co in th above mentioned article diffs. For this reason,a dn the fact that a check of the user history for Rvaneeuwijk shows a number of edits to the Wilhelmus article (which is a national anthem page for the Netherlands, I think - sorry I closed the window and I do not want to reopen it right now) drew my attention to the account.

For, the sole edit from account was to the article Rotterdam Blitz, blitz was already being edited in a near war cycle when I became invlvoed in the issue, and a single one off account does fit the profile compiled thus far, hence its inclusion, and like most of what Kliensma has written that was reverted almost immedately as well.

For, it was the previous pattern an account with no user page and a limited number of edits to German/Netherland topics, but in a specific case the account caught my attention do to edits made previous at the article made to Rotterdam Blitz and the convent use of the account at the Battle of the Hague article

In the case of and  the accounts appears to be legit, with no apparent relation to this case specifically aside from two similar patterns noted above, the first being a one off account apparently with no userpage and the second being an apparent interest in German/Netherlands related material and to war related material, which their edit histories attests to. There are no specific edits from these accounts singled out above in the diffs section for the contested articles, but the accounts were included here becuase I am green to this and I wanted to be thorough, so these could be legitimate friendly accounts caught in cross fire. I'll leave that determination to whomever will be reviewing this page.

As to the isp addresses, 195 did on two occasion readded the material added by Kliensma that was being removed from the Rotterdam Blitz article, while 77 used wise guy/smart alliky edit summaries when editing the page, both of which are attested two in edits above and the isp contributions, which include similarly themed edit summaries as those used by Kliensma.

There is only one contribution from 94, and again only one from 62, but in the case of the former the edit summary claims and the material added are in keeping with previously established editting patterns, which when geolocated back to the German/Netherlands region earned the isp address a spot on the list, and in the case of the later the source provided is to a german article I can not read. I grant these twp are hazy, but after a look through the above editing patterns I think its the Kliensma, though as I have pointed out before I'm green to this process so I'll leave that determination in more capble hands.

For 91.12.56.123, the account may have no bearing on this case, however I note that half of the six contributions from this account are to German/Netherland related topics, and the isp geolocates to Germany. I note that aside from the geolocator the only evidence I have against this account besides an interest in German/Netherlands topics and military topics is this edit, in which specifics are provided.

For the accusation aginst the isp concerns this edit, in which the attempt was made to add a category to the article right after Kliensma's edits were twice reverted. As a side note, after the edit was reverted by Dennis, the isp editor 87.188.197.241 readded the material to the article. Though not formally accused here, the isp account does goelocate back to Germany.

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 * and would be stale for a CU. Someguy1221 (talk) 09:00, 17 January 2013 (UTC)
 * - - There's definitely a pattern of block evasion and socking, but not enough to block definitively here. Requesting CU to confirm the accusation. ( X!  ·  talk )  · @305  · 06:18, 20 January 2013 (UTC)
 * @TomStar81, welcome to your first SPI. :) Generally we provide diffs to help show that there is a relation between users by the behavior of what and how they edit. This helps for people taking a look at your case for the first time understand your position and your concerns, and also for CUs, it shows the evidence they need to actually run a check, per the Privacy policy.
 * @X!, this is quite light on diffs. Running a usercompare, I see that 3 of the accused barely or don't overlap at all, and it's not to far from a fouth being in that group too. So that leaves us with two users, and I need to ask for the evidence instead of going and making the case for it myself. -- DQ   (ʞlɐʇ)  12:03, 20 January 2013 (UTC)
 * - Having had another clerk look at it also, I can't see how these accounts are related or how they are abusing multiple accounts. If you could please put side by side diffs that show the relation between multiple accounts, instead of all the diffs, that would help. Thanks :) -- DQ   (ʞlɐʇ)  22:11, 28 January 2013 (UTC)