Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Kumanof/Archive

Suspected sockpuppets

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Kumanof has been blocked for sockpuppetry on the Turkish Wikipedia. Gacal Kızı and Kumanof were confirmed to be the same person. Just a glimpse of their edit history would be enough to tell that.

Apart from that, I believe these two accounts might be related to Nalanidil. The name Kumanof is awfully similar to some of these socks, such as "Tatarsko", basically a Slavicized form of a Turkic ethnonym. Kumanof is editing Manavs, a topic of particular interest to one of these socks, Öztürküm, who created that article. Another sock Urumski has noted that "we are descendants of cumans from the village of üröm from hungary". Similarly, Kumanof, who even bears a related name, is adding large chunks of dubious pieces of text suggesting Cuman or Kipchak heritage in Turks. Aintabli (talk) 07:57, 24 June 2023 (UTC)

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 * I didn't notice this case was split and was just about to file a separate case. For the record, I would like to further point out Gacal Kızı and Kumanof's overlapping interests and POV. Kumanof and Gacal Kızı are particularly keen on Manavs, Cumans, Pechenegs, Kipchaks, specifically bearing the POV that Manavs descend from the latter two: It gets even more interesting when both have focused on small settlements in Turkey, specifically towns and villages in Düzce Province, such as Akçakoca: Sabiha is also a feminine name, whereas "Gacal Kızı" literally translates to "Gajal girl". Aintabli (talk) 09:15, 26 June 2023 (UTC)

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 * ❌ RoySmith (talk) 13:02, 24 June 2023 (UTC)
 * I was queried about this on my talk page. To clarify, my ❌ was based entirely on the CU data.  If somebody has additional evidence showing that they're socks of another account on enwiki, please open a new case. RoySmith (talk) 14:22, 24 June 2023 (UTC)
 * It seems clear to me that these aren't Nalanidil from a behavioural perspective also. However, there's more to this, as the following are ✅:
 * There are several other accounts that are blocked as socks on trwiki and have edits on enwiki, although these are locally :
 * Gacal Kızı is also stale. I'm going to split this case from Nalanidil and let someone else decide about the necessity and scope of local sanctions. --Blablubbs (talk) 16:38, 24 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Closing per subsequent investigations. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 17:40, 3 August 2023 (UTC)
 * There are several other accounts that are blocked as socks on trwiki and have edits on enwiki, although these are locally :
 * Gacal Kızı is also stale. I'm going to split this case from Nalanidil and let someone else decide about the necessity and scope of local sanctions. --Blablubbs (talk) 16:38, 24 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Closing per subsequent investigations. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 17:40, 3 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Gacal Kızı is also stale. I'm going to split this case from Nalanidil and let someone else decide about the necessity and scope of local sanctions. --Blablubbs (talk) 16:38, 24 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Closing per subsequent investigations. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 17:40, 3 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Gacal Kızı is also stale. I'm going to split this case from Nalanidil and let someone else decide about the necessity and scope of local sanctions. --Blablubbs (talk) 16:38, 24 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Closing per subsequent investigations. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 17:40, 3 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Gacal Kızı is also stale. I'm going to split this case from Nalanidil and let someone else decide about the necessity and scope of local sanctions. --Blablubbs (talk) 16:38, 24 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Closing per subsequent investigations. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 17:40, 3 August 2023 (UTC)

Suspected sockpuppets
A brand new account is editing Manavs from the get-go, after Kumanof has stopped editing and likely noticed that they were reported for sockpuppetry: As of now, Hatymat has edited only once, but the content closely resembles other sockpuppets, touching on the Karamanlides, which they have edited before, and also including a reference about Cumans and Kipchaks, which the sockpuppets are obsessively interested in. Aintabli (talk) 06:24, 7 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Just 6 to 7 hours after I made this report, another brand new account "Lionzm" has edited Manavs, Cumans, Kipchaks, and Cuman language: I had previously reverted Hatymat's only edit stating the problem with the content they added as well as likely sockpuppetry (in order to elicit more sockish behavior, which appears to have worked). Aintabli (talk) 15:54, 7 July 2023 (UTC)

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 * These two are ✅ to each other, and as close as possible to confirmed without being confirmed (let's say ) to the group above. They are, and I will leave it to the clerks to sort out tagging. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 17:28, 3 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Closing per subsequent investigation. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 17:40, 3 August 2023 (UTC)

Suspected sockpuppets
As soon as the protection of Manavs expired, the account Suyumbikä was created with the only aim of editing this article: Although they have made only two edits up to this point, "minor" edits with the summary "Fixed" are pretty common in Kumanof's edit history: Aintabli (talk) 17:11, 29 July 2023 (UTC)


 * I have added ManavAnton to the list of possible socks. ManavAnton differs from Suyumbikä and other possible and confirmed sockpuppets in POV. While the latter are mostly interested in Turkic peoples, ManavAnton has disrupted the same article just recently, stating Manavs are indigenous to Anatolia: Though, the way ManavAnton used "resource" instead of "source", similar to Kumanof, is an interesting coincidence, although a weak evidence. More importantly, it's kind of difficult to comprehend how two accounts were created on the same day with the sole purpose of editing one specific article, which is not a topic that would attract so much attention. I believe given how interested the socks are in a specific topic and viewpoint, and many of their edits were reverted, they may have created another account to "test" with a substantially different POV. After all, this is not something unprecedented, since one Kurdish sockpuppeteer (or associated IPs) tried to disrupt Wikipedia with an "apparent" pro-Turkish bias:  (See here for more information.) Aintabli (talk) 19:37, 29 July 2023 (UTC)

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 * As above, these are ✅ to each other and to the other groups on this page. For clarity:
 * Group 1 are ✅ to each other:
 * Group 2 are ✅ to each other:
 * Group 3 are ✅ to each other:
 * All three groups are : except for one obvious webhost they are all located within one country, using one common device, and using one common mobile provider which seems to have a very odd IP topography. They've all been blocked, and I would suggest that they all be tagged as confirmed socks of Kumanof, and the case moved accordingly, since all older identified accounts are stale. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 17:39, 3 August 2023 (UTC)
 * --Jack Frost (talk) 06:48, 13 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Group 2 are ✅ to each other:
 * Group 3 are ✅ to each other:
 * All three groups are : except for one obvious webhost they are all located within one country, using one common device, and using one common mobile provider which seems to have a very odd IP topography. They've all been blocked, and I would suggest that they all be tagged as confirmed socks of Kumanof, and the case moved accordingly, since all older identified accounts are stale. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 17:39, 3 August 2023 (UTC)
 * --Jack Frost (talk) 06:48, 13 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Group 3 are ✅ to each other:
 * All three groups are : except for one obvious webhost they are all located within one country, using one common device, and using one common mobile provider which seems to have a very odd IP topography. They've all been blocked, and I would suggest that they all be tagged as confirmed socks of Kumanof, and the case moved accordingly, since all older identified accounts are stale. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 17:39, 3 August 2023 (UTC)
 * --Jack Frost (talk) 06:48, 13 August 2023 (UTC)
 * All three groups are : except for one obvious webhost they are all located within one country, using one common device, and using one common mobile provider which seems to have a very odd IP topography. They've all been blocked, and I would suggest that they all be tagged as confirmed socks of Kumanof, and the case moved accordingly, since all older identified accounts are stale. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 17:39, 3 August 2023 (UTC)
 * --Jack Frost (talk) 06:48, 13 August 2023 (UTC)

Suspected sockpuppets
There is barely anyone on the English Wikipedia who takes a deep interest in Manavs other than this LTA. Considering this, it is not at all surprising that the sole edits of Mınyabi, a new account, were to that article. I will be adding a few more socks as I can find to the list. Another likely sock who has been active on the English Wikipedia is Ottomanov (notice the name similarity with "Kuman of "), who has also made edits to the Turkish version of Manavs: Aintabli (talk) 23:51, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

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 * Dreamy Jazz talk to me &#124; my contributions 09:55, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
 * to each other based purely on technical evidence:


 * This case is almost certianly . Dreamy Jazz talk to me &#124; my contributions 09:59, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
 * , what about ? Spicy (talk) 14:17, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Looking at the CU log, I didn't check them and also I don't think they appeared in the CU results. Probably forgot to look at that user when running the checks. Dreamy Jazz talk to me &#124; my contributions 17:11, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Not enough evidence on Ottomanov to justify a block, but I've blocked and tagged the others. Also applied long term semiprotection to that article because the socking has evidently been happening for over a year. The Wordsmith Talk to me 22:23, 11 July 2024 (UTC)