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BaronBifford has been the subject of a recent ANI and a follow-up  for WP:OWN behavior at Superman. Editors at Talk:Superman, including  Levdr1 lp , Chris &#34;WarMachineWildThing&#34;, have had to deal with stream of contentiousness by him, and one admin already has threatened a block. for his edit-warring that's twice resulted in page protection.

Then suddenly yesterday, Stg7 appears with virtually no edits except to the Superman discussion. Despite making a couple of comments disagreeing with BaronBifford, he also made the exact, contentious edit BaronBifford was arguing to make. He also argues against admin action and makes a false claim supportive of BaronBifford, here. (Demonstrated as false claim here.)

At least one other editor also suspects this is a sock, or, my own experience on Wikipedia suggests, a meat puppet. Tenebrae (talk) 13:37, 25 August 2016 (UTC)

I have been suspicious of a sock the whole time, just could not find the main to connect to. Once Stg7 showed up I knew it was a sock of Barron. Chris "WarMachineWildThing"  Talk to me 19:32, 28 August 2016 (UTC)

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 * - Please, compare those two.  Vanjagenije  (talk)  14:32, 25 August 2016 (UTC)
 * The following accounts are ✅:
 * I've moved the case to the master account. Mike V • Talk 23:50, 25 August 2016 (UTC)
 * I've moved the case to the master account. Mike V • Talk 23:50, 25 August 2016 (UTC)
 * I've moved the case to the master account. Mike V • Talk 23:50, 25 August 2016 (UTC)
 * I've moved the case to the master account. Mike V • <b style="color:#C16C16">Talk</b> 23:50, 25 August 2016 (UTC)

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On August 25, 2016, the User:BaronBifford identity of serial sockpuppeteer Kurzon was blocked; it was one of at least two, including Stg7, of his sockpuppets. BaronBifford had created much disruption at Superman, as detailed in posts dating back to July at Talk:Superman.

On September 1, days after BaronBifford was blocked, User:JungLiao suddenly appeared, making highly similar edits at Superman, at co-creator Jerry Siegel, and most tellingly, at the highly obscure character Dan Dunn, over which BaronBifford had made an issue at Talk:Superman.

He also shows the same pattern of edit-warring here as BaronBifford frequently exhibited. Tenebrae (talk) 14:58, 6 October 2016 (UTC)

I think what clinches it is that he, like BaronBifford, makes the unique claim that Detective Dan: Secret Operative No. 48 "contained all-original stories as opposed to reprinted newspaper strips ... and made it perhaps the first modern American comic book." – a claim that contradicts every history of comics, which cite New Fun #1 as the first American comic book with all original material. BaronBifford made this same unique argument, a POV rewriting of the comics history that appears in every reference book, at Talk:Superman. --Tenebrae (talk) 15:30, 6 October 2016 (UTC)


 * I believe it is possible that this same editor is operating as 78.129.111.57. An edit here uses one of BaronBifford's favorite sources, a book by Brad Ricca that I've seen virtually no other editor use.--Tenebrae (talk) 19:21, 6 October 2016 (UTC)


 * Another anon IP has arrived new today, 188.188.81.129 to make one edit duplicative this edit  by 78.129.111.57. Clearly misuse of multiple accounts. --Tenebrae (talk) 19:39, 6 October 2016 (UTC)


 * Today, User:JungLiao confirmed he is 78.129.111.57. JungLiao's edit here is identical to 78.129.111.57's edit here. --Tenebrae (talk) 18:06, 7 October 2016 (UTC)

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 * See my actions at WP:AN3. I have blocked and  as socks of User:Kurzon based on behavior. EdJohnston (talk) 21:25, 7 October 2016 (UTC)
 * - Please block the sock indefinitely. Sorry to usurp you on this one, I was just curious why you chose to block the sock for a month rather than indefinitely. Thanks, GABgab 03:02, 14 October 2016 (UTC)
 * I've now blocked User:JungLiao indefinitely as a sock per the request of GAB, an SPI clerk. EdJohnston (talk) 03:14, 14 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Marking as ready for close. ~ Rob 13 <sup style="margin-left:-1.0ex;">Talk 13:17, 14 October 2016 (UTC)

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Making the same edits as previous socks and a recently blocked anon-IP sock. Lungjungsulver's edit here is virtually identical to that which block-evading anon-IP sock 78.129.111.57 made here. 78.129.111.57 was previously confirmed as a sock of Kurzon sock User:JungLiao.

He is also slow-motion edit-warring today at Superman ownership disputes, where an editor other than I reverted him here. That was essentially the same reverted edit made by an anon IP here on Oct. 3. --Tenebrae (talk) 17:40, 29 October 2016 (UTC)

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 * Blocked indef as User:Kurzon based on behavior, due to a request on my talk page. EdJohnston (talk) 18:16, 29 October 2016 (UTC)

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The page Norman W. Marsh was created sometime late last year and deleted circa January 1, 2017, since it was created by a Kurzon sock. Virtually if not identically the same page was recreated on August 7, 2017, by a single-edit user.

Without access to deletion logs I cannot be more specific. An admin should be able to see the user/IP of the Kurzon sock who created this page initially. Note I have nothing against Norman W. Marsh and have been collecting data to create such a page. But that shouldn't excuse a blocked user from using a sock to avoid a block. --Tenebrae (talk) 01:59, 8 August 2017 (UTC) Tenebrae (talk) 01:59, 8 August 2017 (UTC)

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 * - Please, compare to the master.  Vanjagenije  (talk)  14:45, 8 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Data for the blocked user who initially created the page is.
 * Kurzon and McDNamurComics are to each other, as are  and . Katietalk 17:01, 8 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks! Blocked and tagged the job lot of them. Closing. Favonian (talk) 17:08, 8 August 2017 (UTC)

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Two days after Kurzon's latest of several requests to be unblocked was denied, User:Azhar shikhdar showed up on 17 August 2017 and has made a small number of edits including two at Superman that greatly match previous edits by Kurzon and his various socks there. For example this Kurzon edit and this Azhar shikhdar cover the same material, use much the same content, and 1) use very similar language re: Malcolm-Wheeler Nicholson, 2) do the same replacement of the content beginning "Siegel and Shuster wanted to sell", and 3) do the same placement of material immediately before the paragraph beginning "In March 1938." (He additionally was edit-warring, reverting after another editor undid his first edit.) Tenebrae (talk) 20:01, 19 August 2017 (UTC)

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 * - For sleepers. Azhar shikhdar is reinstating Kurzon's Superman edits. Lately it seems Kurzon socks have also been focusing there efforts on Early life of Joseph Stalin, so I added a few more new users I noticed have recently edited there . One of the accounts (User:IblisSoviet) even has a similar username to a previous sockpuppet (User:RoniSoviet). Sro23 (talk) 20:54, 19 August 2017 (UTC)
 * - Katietalk 23:10, 19 August 2017 (UTC)
 * These accounts are ✅ to the master:
 * (already confirmed by DoRD but not tagged)
 * (behaviorally dissimilar but technically identical)
 * (behaviorally dissimilar but technically identical)


 * Azhar shikdar is ❌.
 * Confirmed accounts blocked; I think it's time we stopped tagging per DENY. I'll leave that decision to the clerk, though. :-) Katietalk 23:29, 19 August 2017 (UTC)
 * For the record, Azhar shikdar just made this edit to the Superman ownership disputes article, an almost exact replay of this Kurzon edit. has now (IMO correctly) blocked the account as a sock. Favonian (talk) 16:48, 20 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Agree that given the near identical edits, Azhar shikhdar is almost certainly Kurzon. Per WP:DENY it should no longer be necessary to tag these socks. Closing. Sro23 (talk) 17:18, 20 August 2017 (UTC)