Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/LBHS Cheerleader/Archive

Report date September 28 2009, 20:38 (UTC)

 * Suspected sockpuppets


 * Evidence submitted by PCHS-NJROTC

This appears to be an obsessive vandal that may have just come off of ISP suspension; see Abuse_reports/71.3.247.94. Considering since it's been just over a year since the vandal was reported for abuse, and the vandalism itself is very similar to what we were previously seeing, I'd say there's a good chance that this person has just come off of a year-long ISP suspension and still won't give up their abusive habits. Unfortunately, they learned from last time that their ISP doesn't tolerate abuse, and they've masked their IP by creating a user name, so we won't be able to do another abuse report unless it gets so bad that we have to have a checkuser contact her/his ISP a second time. Note that I have determined, through real life discussion with one of its members, that the MUN vandal is part of a meatpuppet ring along with the Lemon Bay and Charlotte High School cheerleader vandals, so it might be wise to semi protect Port Charlotte High School and Charlotte High School (Punta Gorda, Florida) to curtail any attempts to vandalize.


 * Comments by accused parties    See Defending yourself against claims.


 * Comments by other users


 * Clerk, patrolling admin and checkuser comments

Fishmongerh indefinitely blocked and tagged. For now the autoblock should sweep up the IP. If this range persists, then another call to the ISP may be in order. MuZemike 19:33, 29 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Conclusions

Evidence submitted by PCHS-NJROTC
Based on the behavior and declared geographic location of new account User:Jess Selders 2012, I suspect that the account may be a meatpuppet of the cheerleader vandals known as User:LBHS Cheerleader. Although this person claims to be a cheerleader at Charlotte High School (Punta Gorda, Florida) rather than Lemon Bay High School, I've determined that not all of the cheerleader vandalism is actually a product of the LBHS cheerleading squad. The vandalism may have debuted in 2006 from two Charlotte County Public Schools IP addresses:63.171.102.131 and 209.26.221.66. On January 9, 2006, a user at 209.26.221.66 wrote "pudge" in an article; appears to have been the first in a series of edits from the IP where someone wrote "pudge" in seemingly random articles. In February 2006, someone was performing hateful and death threat vandalism from the IP, including edits like this one to the Ku Klux Klan article. It is hard to say whether or not the pudge vandalism and hateful vandalism were related to the meatpuppetry, but may I add that the cheerleader meatpuppets have been known to cyberbully and post hateful comments at times kind of like the Ku Klux Klan vandalism, and the randomness of the "pudge" vandalism kind of resembles the randomness of the LBHS Cheerleader vandal. This edit reveals that some of the vandalism from the IP came from Punta Gorda Middle School as the number of people said to be affected by a block that was put in place was the number of students at that school at the time. Vandalism continued from the IP throughout 2006. In September of that year, someone wrote "GO TARPONS!" on the Port Charlotte High School article from the IP. Someone from the IP also wrote "erin was here" in a random article. I can't find it now, but I remember seeing a particular edit where "Erin's" full name was added to an article from the IP, and the name matched that of a cheerleader at Charlotte High School. A quick scroll through the edits from the two CCPS IPs will reveal that there was a lot random "hi!"s and "<3"s coming off the network, and there were a lot of names mentioned that match that of either current Charlotte Tarpons or Charlotte HS alumni. At one point even a Port Charlotte High School cheerleader's name was posted. The named person claims to know nothing about the incident (and I believe her), but it was probably a cheerleader from CHS, PCHS, or LBHS. The cheerleaders' vandalism is probably one of the biggest reason why this site is no longer accessible from CCPS; someone who greatly appears to have been one of the cheerleader vandals based on edits posted "this is what you get for gettin us kicked off the internet yesterday!!!!!!" on an article in December 2006 from 63.171.102.131. Note that December 2006 was also the last month that the main site was accessible from CCPS. The school IPs are now stale, but the vandals are still quite active. Although one would have thought that the girls would have learned from all of this, but the vandalism still continues to this day, even after one of them was suspended by Embarq apparently for a year after being reported through WP:ABUSE. THESE GIRLS ARE RELENTLESS TROLLS AND NEED NOT BE FED! However, their vandalism is unacceptable and we need to make every effort possible to keep them blocked. Anyway, one of them had claimed to be an LBHS cheerleader by the name of "Jessica." So does "Jess Selders 2012." The style of vandalizing first and begging later, promising to be nice closely matches the behavior of some of the LBHS Cheerleader accounts we've encountered in the past. So does the "wiki-love" for those who (unknowing of their ban) give them a second chance. Assuming good faith, there is a very slight chance that this user is unrelated, but it seems pretty clear that this is a meatpuppet and needs to be hard blocked. Once this case is closed, I will be submitting an abuse report to Comcast who this meatpuppet appears to be using. PCHS-NJROTC (Messages) 22:08, 19 November 2009 (UTC)

Comments by accused parties
See Defending yourself against claims. wow, u people r cool! i mean i just came here to check my articles and apparently i'm some cheerleader at lemon bay? R u people blind? I go 2 charlotte highnot gay lemon bay! i don't see why cheerleaders arent allowed to edit if rotc geeks r allowed to be bosses here? i mean of them all its a port charlotte person? he's probably just mad that we won the game again so hes being mean. do you have something against tarpons or cheerleaders mr rotc? not all cheerleaders are stupid we should be allowed to fucking edit wiki. btw i still love u all. <3
 * FYI, if you honestly do want to get a second chance, or even if you're not even part of this meatkpuppet ring, personal attacks will not get you out of this. People will not give mercy to someone attacking other users or other schools. You are accused of sockpuppetry because what you have done as an IP editor is almost exactly what you've done with every other account you've used; go on a vandalism spree, beg to be unblocked, make a few constructive edits after you've been unblocked or with a sockpuppet, and then go back to vandalizing. Cheerleaders are not banned from editing we have S E V E R A L editors who represent themselves as cheerleaders, some of which are quite respected editors on the project. Neither are JROTC cadets or any other general group of people. Cheerleaders who wish to vandalize, however, are not allowed here any more than any other vandal unless they convince someone to give them a second chance, and those who act uncivil or immature when communicating tend to be unsuccessful. No, I do not personally have anything against against cheerleaders except when they act immature; my girlfriend is one at Port Charlotte for crying out loud. Trying to use the "you're being prejudice" card as an excuse will not get you very far here, just so you know. PCHS-NJROTC  (Messages) 21:13, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

Clerk, patrolling admin and checkuser comments

 * Blocked this individual for sockpuppetry, trolling and just plain instability and immaturity. --PMDrive1061 (talk) 23:37, 20 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Thank you PMDrive1061. PCHS-NJROTC  (Messages) 23:55, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

Evidence submitted by PMDrive1061
This has gone on long enough with what several of us suspect is a group of users masquerading as this idiotic cheerleader. A CU was rightly suggested by a user who has dealt with this issue over on this latest sock's talk page. My own experience indicates a pattern of multiple sockpuppets; where there is one, others are very likely lurking.


 * Note: I just ran across User:Atvredneck while investigating the edit history of one of the affected articles.  --PMDrive1061 (talk) 07:16, 12 January 2010 (UTC)

Evidence submitted by Eagles247
User:Sm00re15 acknowledged that she is a sockpuppet of LBHS Cheerleader with this edit after she was blocked indef.

Comments by accused parties
See Defending yourself against claims.

I am a LBHS Cheerleader and I know LBHS Cheerleaders are not allowed to edit the Wikipedia so I will not. I just want tell the Wikipedians I am vary sorry for the meaness of the LBHS Cheerleaders. Sarah is not a bad girl but what she did to the Wikipedia was vary mean. You can block me if you can not trust me. A wikipedian told me We are allow to edit the Wikipedia when we are older and smarter. I will do that. Am I doing this right? What is a sock puppet? Do some of the Wikipedians think we are fake people or is it some thing else? Am I a sock puppet?
 * Read about sockpuppets here. Wikipedians know you are actual people, but you do not follow the rules. If you have created an account before on Wikipedia, your account can be considered a sock puppet.  Eagles   24/7  (C)  23:26, 13 January 2010 (UTC)
 * I did read your wp:sock and it say I can make a new account for a clean start. So I don't use any of my old accounts anymore and I am nice with this one so could I have a clean start? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sierra Marinola (talk • contribs) 23:32, 13 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Well here it gets tricky because you (your friend?) is banned from Wikipedia. I am trying to get an administrator over here who was involved with that investigation and see what they say. However, a clean start is only for users who have had minor problems in the past, not sockpuppeters who were banned.  Eagles   24/7  (C)  23:38, 13 January 2010 (UTC)

Comments by other users
There have been many socks of this user (many I think which are not covered in Category:Suspected Wikipedia sockpuppets of LBHS Cheerleader). As said before, pretty much nailed it for me. I mean, why would somebody else completely unrelated to this serial sockpuppeteer make an edit like that (unless the person wanted to get blocked)? In either case, I won't be endorsing or declining CU here per my involvement having been the admin who blocked this account. –MuZemike 08:26, 12 January 2010 (UTC)


 * I assume your question was rhetorical, but somebody completely unrelated to the serial sockpuppeteer might make such edits if they had a particular dislike of cheerleaders from Lemon Bay High School, knowing that it would be blamed on User:LBHS Cheerleader. An equally likely explanation is that you are just being trolled (either by the original sockpuppeteer or a new one) and it seems to be working. I would suggest that it is more than a little unwise to assume that any of the information offered by this new influx of "cheerleader vandals" is accurate, especially those MySpace links. Just saying. Delicious carbuncle (talk) 00:49, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes, but the links provided show that these users have a lot of friends, and being a user of social networking sites myself, I know that it is pretty darn tough to get that many friends overnight.  Eagles   24/7  (C)  00:52, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
 * You have it backwards. Those MySpace pages are very likely to be for real people. Why would they come to Wikipedia (using proxies), act in a way guaranteed to draw attention to themselves until they get blocked, and provide links to their own MySpace pages? Someone is setting these girls up. Delicious carbuncle (talk) 01:16, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
 * If they're using open proxies (I haven't checked yet.), then those proxies will have to be blocked. –MuZemike 01:17, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
 * To DC: I thought about that also, and that's terrible if true.  Eagles   24/7  (C)  01:21, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
 * And far more likely than any other possibility. Delicious carbuncle (talk) 01:40, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
 * ...but then why is Sierra acting apologetic and saying that she acted "bad"?  Eagles   24/7  (C)  01:24, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Either because it is true, or because they are trolling you. I will drop out of this discussion now and see what the CU uncovers. Delicious carbuncle (talk) 01:40, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
 * I have a stong suspicion that a troll is involved here due to the complexity of this. The fact that they go and actively create names for the girls and team and then go and defame themselves here is highly suspicious in itself. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 02:49, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Not to mention, if you have at least 21 sockpuppets with varying names, you might be wanting to defame somebody. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 02:53, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Would it be a bad idea if I talked to the real Sierra on MySpace to determine if it is her or not? Or does it not matter?  Eagles   24/7  (C)  03:16, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
 * It would be breaking the third wall in a way, but assuming that you aren't really old (teenage version of old), it wouldn't hurt to do it. I'm not much older than them, and I considered doing it to another one in this. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 03:49, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm a teenager so I guess I'm fine age-wise.  Eagles   24/7  (C)  04:10, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

Mystery solved: I just talked to the real Sierra and when I asked her if she has a Wikipedia account she said "no ive never been on wikipedia but your the 2nd person to ask me that? i guess someone is using my name though ?" The real Sierra also knows how to put words together correctly and spell correctly. And I guess one of you guys already talked to her...?  Eagles   24/7  (C)  21:14, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Hi, i dont know who the hell these people are that are trying to impersonate me and my friend sierra, i am in fact the true sarah and i have no idea how they got my myspace or sierras facebook. we are very freaked out, and just to let you know that was NOT us. im not on the cheerleading team anymore so i dont know why they keep refurring to us as "cheerleaders" . so please tell this person to stop or else law enforcement will get involve because this is impersonation and its against the law. Sierra's dad is a officer of the law and he has the power to find you and arrest you. -thanks , sarah. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.4.126.141 (talk) 21:56, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

Hi this is the real sarah and sierra, we do not knnow who these people are or what they want. All we want them to do is to stop making us look bad. Anything that has LBHS or Sarah or Sierra on it can you please delete it, we have never been on Wikipedia and this in fact is our first time. We also have been investigating this case too and we are in awe about what is happening. Obviously this impersonatior does not like us and they are trying to set us up. Please just delete them. Please and thank you, Sarah and Sierra —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.4.126.141 (talk) 22:00, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
 * We can't necessarily delete them but we can block them. Wikipedia has policies and law enforcement rarely gets involved unless there are threats against an editor. Thanks for responding here Sierra and Sarah. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 22:12, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

Clerk, patrolling admin and checkuser comments
Requested by PMDrive1061 (talk) 07:10, 12 January 2010 (UTC)

I have indefinitely blocked User:Sierra Marinola. To me it is bloody obvious that either 1) this is all the same person, or 2) if they are different people, then somehow the entire cheerleading team from Lemon Bay High School or some of their friends is trying to engage in harassment/disruption; in other words, not constructively working on the encyclopedia. I still think this is the same person per her apparent admission and. She also acknowledges the apparent harassment of PCHS-NJROTC about 5-6 minutes ago. I don't support any unblocking of any kind from these accounts for those reasons. –MuZemike 00:24, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Also note that Sierra's first edit was – a request to lift the same autoblock that was placed when I blocked User:Cheery cheerleeding captain. –MuZemike 00:29, 14 January 2010 (UTC)


 * for CU attention. Nathan  T 01:43, 14 January 2010 (UTC)


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 * Two webhost ranges blocked. Brandon (talk) 22:15, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
 * All of the above accounts are blocked. Since was used for the sole purpose of impersonation, I have had the username suppressed and deleted both the userpage and the talk page.  Tiptoety  talk 22:22, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
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 * Two webhost ranges blocked. Brandon (talk) 22:15, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
 * All of the above accounts are blocked. Since was used for the sole purpose of impersonation, I have had the username suppressed and deleted both the userpage and the talk page.  Tiptoety  talk 22:22, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
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 * Two webhost ranges blocked. Brandon (talk) 22:15, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
 * All of the above accounts are blocked. Since was used for the sole purpose of impersonation, I have had the username suppressed and deleted both the userpage and the talk page.  Tiptoety  talk 22:22, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Two webhost ranges blocked. Brandon (talk) 22:15, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
 * All of the above accounts are blocked. Since was used for the sole purpose of impersonation, I have had the username suppressed and deleted both the userpage and the talk page.  Tiptoety  talk 22:22, 14 January 2010 (UTC)